Official 2012 San Francisco 49ers Offseason Thread

[westcoastsfinest]

Originally Posted by NothingToL0se

lawdd...football needs to come alrdy

 

 

[lightweight champion]

Originally Posted by CrunchyBlack9

Originally Posted by dland24

Originally Posted by gangsta207therevolution

Originally Posted by dland24


SMH.  Alex Smith talking s*** about other quarterbacks now?  One average season out of seven, and you start to run your mouth?  Not a good look.  Especially considering if we had Cam instead of Alex last year, we win the Superbowl.

Ignoring the who he is and the QB bashing ( overblown already) and he is right. Keep the perspective that he was asked to be a game manager and Gore, and Hunter had a ton of 2nd half carries last year. Winning and clock management > than yards, and when the NFL gets back to understanding that its going to be a more dynamic league.

I seem to be disagreeing with you a lot today. 

As far as Cam Newton goes, yes, he is correct.  But as far as the NFL in general, no he is not correct.  If he was describing the NFL of yesteryear, sure.  But not now.  This is a passing league now.  Look at the 2011 passing leaders:

Drew Brees
Tom Brady
Matt Stafford
Aaron Rodgers
Eli Manning

These guys certainly werent playing from behind or playing catchup.  They were dominating the league and were the reason their respective teams were good.

Sorry to burst your bubble but all those guys had to throw and throw often b\c one of two things were lacking from their team. 1. They didnt have a running game to sustain leads that they got in the first place so it inflated their stats. 2. They didnt have a defense to hold off the other team from scoring so they had to pass heavy in order to keep the lead, which inflated their stats. 3 out of those 5 with 5,000 yards when this has only happened twice prior in NFL history. 

But all of the QBs listed could convert 3rd and 6 or 3rd and 7 consistently whereas Alex did not. Premiere backs aren't as important in this league anymore. If you have a back (or two) that can get you to manageable situations for an elite QB, you might as well start moving the chains as soon as the ball is snapped on 3rd down.
How many times were we in the RZ and Alex didn't get the TD? Take a look at Akers' FG record and you'll get a good estimate. This debate wouldn't happen if Alex could just punch it in the end zone more than 20 times, which he's never done. Also, it's not like he was methodically marcing the O down the field. Like dland said, he leaves too many 3rd down plays on the field.

 

[dland24]

Ohhhhhh boy.....here we go....

 

[secretzofwar]

Beason's a hater.

I think Smith is poised for a really good year.

 

[nothingtol0se]

too much reality from beason

 

[deuce king]

At the end of the day with a 13-3 record Alex Smith needs to shut up and keep quiet about other quarterbacks that are better than him because whether Alex Smith wants to admit it or not he was bailed out last year by the defense and David Akers.

 

[crunchyblack9]

Originally Posted by Lightweight Champion

Originally Posted by CrunchyBlack9

Originally Posted by dland24

I seem to be disagreeing with you a lot today. 

As far as Cam Newton goes, yes, he is correct.  But as far as the NFL in general, no he is not correct.  If he was describing the NFL of yesteryear, sure.  But not now.  This is a passing league now.  Look at the 2011 passing leaders:

Drew Brees
Tom Brady
Matt Stafford
Aaron Rodgers
Eli Manning

These guys certainly werent playing from behind or playing catchup.  They were dominating the league and were the reason their respective teams were good.

Sorry to burst your bubble but all those guys had to throw and throw often b\c one of two things were lacking from their team. 1. They didnt have a running game to sustain leads that they got in the first place so it inflated their stats. 2. They didnt have a defense to hold off the other team from scoring so they had to pass heavy in order to keep the lead, which inflated their stats. 3 out of those 5 with 5,000 yards when this has only happened twice prior in NFL history. 

But all of the QBs listed could convert 3rd and 6 or 3rd and 7 consistently whereas Alex did not. Premiere backs aren't as important in this league anymore. If you have a back (or two) that can get you to manageable situations for an elite QB, you might as well start moving the chains as soon as the ball is snapped on 3rd down.
How many times were we in the RZ and Alex didn't get the TD? Take a look at Akers' FG record and you'll get a good estimate. This debate wouldn't happen if Alex could just punch it in the end zone more than 20 times, which he's never done. Also, it's not like he was methodically marcing the O down the field. Like dland said, he leaves too many 3rd down plays on the field.

But were were hardly in 3rd and 6 or 3rd and 7. We were almost always 3 rd and long. Which puts you in a predictable situation which the defense comes out in press man and then blitzes, making him get the ball out sooner than he wanted or sooner than the skill positions are able to get to the marker.Converting 3rd and 10 is almost impossible unless your offense is designed that way and we obviously werent. Thats why the big push for three new receivers this offseason. As for the red zone issues, you have to look to play calling. We ran more in the red zone and then expected the pass game to bail the offense out. We also ran a lot of max pro which limits the options you have. Alex had the highest QBR rating in the red zone in 2010 in one of the most predictable offense in the league under Jimmy Raye and he got even better under Mike Johnson once he went to a more spread open attack. 

 

[dland24]

Originally Posted by CrunchyBlack9

Originally Posted by Lightweight Champion

Originally Posted by CrunchyBlack9

Sorry to burst your bubble but all those guys had to throw and throw often b\c one of two things were lacking from their team. 1. They didnt have a running game to sustain leads that they got in the first place so it inflated their stats. 2. They didnt have a defense to hold off the other team from scoring so they had to pass heavy in order to keep the lead, which inflated their stats. 3 out of those 5 with 5,000 yards when this has only happened twice prior in NFL history. 

But all of the QBs listed could convert 3rd and 6 or 3rd and 7 consistently whereas Alex did not. Premiere backs aren't as important in this league anymore. If you have a back (or two) that can get you to manageable situations for an elite QB, you might as well start moving the chains as soon as the ball is snapped on 3rd down.
How many times were we in the RZ and Alex didn't get the TD? Take a look at Akers' FG record and you'll get a good estimate. This debate wouldn't happen if Alex could just punch it in the end zone more than 20 times, which he's never done. Also, it's not like he was methodically marcing the O down the field. Like dland said, he leaves too many 3rd down plays on the field.

But were were hardly in 3rd and 6 or 3rd and 7. We were almost always 3 rd and long. Which puts you in a predictable situation which the defense comes out in press man and then blitzes, making him get the ball out sooner than he wanted or sooner than the skill positions are able to get to the marker.Converting 3rd and 10 is almost impossible unless your offense is designed that way and we obviously werent. Thats why the big push for three new receivers this offseason. As for the red zone issues, you have to look to play calling. We ran more in the red zone and then expected the pass game to bail the offense out. We also ran a lot of max pro which limits the options you have. Alex had the highest QBR rating in the red zone in 2010 in one of the most predictable offense in the league under Jimmy Raye and he got even better under Mike Johnson once he went to a more spread open attack. 

There is a reason that 3rd down is regarded by NFL experts and analysts as "the Quarterback down."  To say that we were almost always in longer than 3rd and 7 situations is absolutely ridiculous, and a general assumption with no factual basis.
  

 

[crunchyblack9]

Originally Posted by dland24

Originally Posted by CrunchyBlack9

Originally Posted by Lightweight Champion

But all of the QBs listed could convert 3rd and 6 or 3rd and 7 consistently whereas Alex did not. Premiere backs aren't as important in this league anymore. If you have a back (or two) that can get you to manageable situations for an elite QB, you might as well start moving the chains as soon as the ball is snapped on 3rd down.
How many times were we in the RZ and Alex didn't get the TD? Take a look at Akers' FG record and you'll get a good estimate. This debate wouldn't happen if Alex could just punch it in the end zone more than 20 times, which he's never done. Also, it's not like he was methodically marcing the O down the field. Like dland said, he leaves too many 3rd down plays on the field.

But were were hardly in 3rd and 6 or 3rd and 7. We were almost always 3 rd and long. Which puts you in a predictable situation which the defense comes out in press man and then blitzes, making him get the ball out sooner than he wanted or sooner than the skill positions are able to get to the marker.Converting 3rd and 10 is almost impossible unless your offense is designed that way and we obviously werent. Thats why the big push for three new receivers this offseason. As for the red zone issues, you have to look to play calling. We ran more in the red zone and then expected the pass game to bail the offense out. We also ran a lot of max pro which limits the options you have. Alex had the highest QBR rating in the red zone in 2010 in one of the most predictable offense in the league under Jimmy Raye and he got even better under Mike Johnson once he went to a more spread open attack. 

There is a reason that 3rd down is regarded by NFL experts and analysts as "the Quarterback down."  To say that we were almost always in longer than 3rd and 7 situations is absolutely ridiculous, and a general assumption with no factual basis.
  

Ridiculous huh? His average pass on 3rd down was 6.5 yards per attempt on 3rd down, yet he only had a 54.7% completion rating as opposed to first down where his yards per attempt was 8.0 and his completion percentage was 66.1. So to say that we werent longer than 3rd and 7 is ridiculous. 

 

[rex ryan]

im goin to the week 3 game in minnesota

 

[dland24]

Originally Posted by CrunchyBlack9

Originally Posted by dland24

Originally Posted by CrunchyBlack9

But were were hardly in 3rd and 6 or 3rd and 7. We were almost always 3 rd and long. Which puts you in a predictable situation which the defense comes out in press man and then blitzes, making him get the ball out sooner than he wanted or sooner than the skill positions are able to get to the marker.Converting 3rd and 10 is almost impossible unless your offense is designed that way and we obviously werent. Thats why the big push for three new receivers this offseason. As for the red zone issues, you have to look to play calling. We ran more in the red zone and then expected the pass game to bail the offense out. We also ran a lot of max pro which limits the options you have. Alex had the highest QBR rating in the red zone in 2010 in one of the most predictable offense in the league under Jimmy Raye and he got even better under Mike Johnson once he went to a more spread open attack. 

There is a reason that 3rd down is regarded by NFL experts and analysts as "the Quarterback down."  To say that we were almost always in longer than 3rd and 7 situations is absolutely ridiculous, and a general assumption with no factual basis.
  

Ridiculous huh? His average pass on 3rd down was 6.5 yards per attempt on 3rd down, yet he only had a 54.7% completion rating as opposed to first down where his yards per attempt was 8.0 and his completion percentage was 66.1. So to say that we werent longer than 3rd and 7 is ridiculous. 

LOL.  Are you serious with this?  How does ANYthing you just posted prove that the 49ers were "almost always in 3rd and 7+" last year? 

 

[crunchyblack9]

Originally Posted by dland24

Originally Posted by CrunchyBlack9

Originally Posted by dland24


There is a reason that 3rd down is regarded by NFL experts and analysts as "the Quarterback down."  To say that we were almost always in longer than 3rd and 7 situations is absolutely ridiculous, and a general assumption with no factual basis.
  

Ridiculous huh? His average pass on 3rd down was 6.5 yards per attempt on 3rd down, yet he only had a 54.7% completion rating as opposed to first down where his yards per attempt was 8.0 and his completion percentage was 66.1. So to say that we werent longer than 3rd and 7 is ridiculous. 

LOL.  Are you serious with this?  How does ANYthing you just posted prove that the 49ers were "almost always in 3rd and 7+" last year? 

I am serious with that. But since you cant decipher stats I will make it simple for you. Lets hear your rebutal to this. Out of 257 3rd downs SF had to covert 119 of them over 7 yards. Also add to that 85 of that 257 were of the 3rd and plus 6 variety. So to say that SF wasnt in 3rd and long most of the season is laughable. 

 

[dland24]

Putting aside the fact that your 257 total third down chances is completely incorrect, the original point you were trying to argue is "the 49ers were almost always in longer than 3rd and 7."

Not a SINGLE statistic you just posted demonstrated that we were "almost always" in longer than 3rd and 7.  Not one. 

Now lets just assume the stats you wrote ARE in fact correct (which they are not), explain to me how 119 out of 257 could possible mean "almost always."  In what world does 46% of the time mean "almost always?"

Also, I found it particularly hilarious that you stated we had 119 third and 7+ chances, yet only 85 third and 6+ chances.  Makes a lot of sense pal.

 

[westcoastsfinest]

Stats aside, Alex can thank his defense for a 13-3 year. 

 

[4one5]

First the DUI, now getting stabbed? Crappy offseason for Aldon Smith so far.

 

[Los Angeles]

Damb aldon

 

[obie21]

anyone else going to fan fest?

 

[westcoastsfinest]

Originally Posted by obie21

anyone else going to fan fest?

When is it?
Aldon needs to chill. Please be safe!

 

[TheGodFresco]

Originally Posted by obie21

anyone else going to fan fest?

ill be there

 

[4one5]

Originally Posted by westcoastsfinest

Originally Posted by obie21

anyone else going to fan fest?

When is it?
Aldon needs to chill. Please be safe!

August 12

 

[sneaky]

Can't wait for football season to start!

 

[friscosfinest]

my bad didnt know there was a new thread. ignore

 

[fenixconnexion.]

a friend of mine said theres some niners fans going to the 49ers @ Jets game on sept 30th and wanted to tailgate and party but i'm too lazy to dig through these pages to see who there were, so please pm me because I will be coming from toronto and would love to tailgate as well

 

[ady2glude707]

a friend of mine said theres some niners fans going to the 49ers @ Jets game on sept 30th and wanted to tailgate and party but i'm too lazy to dig through these pages to see who there were, so please pm me because I will be coming from toronto and would love to tailgate as well

check the 49ers season thread