***Official Political Discussion Thread***

[dwalk31]

dwalk31 That Was A Very Neutral Response

Felt Full Of Dog Whistles And Allusions To Things. Are You Like That With Politics Specifically Or Do You Also Speak Vaguely And At Discretion About Other Things?

Not Even Trying To Be Funny Just Curious.

While I disagree with your characterization, I like to think I’m fairly consistent.

 

[RustyShackleford]

As an initial matter, the me voting for Donald Trump narrative has kind of just been created on here because I openly supported him. I haven’t disclosed who I voted for, and I don’t plan to.

That being said, a college-educated black man from East Atlanta ended up supporting Trump—twice—because he felt that it was a better pathway to get the type of change he wanted past an otherwise obstructive GOP-led Senate. I said as much during the election.

Once he lost, my support shifted to getting Dems the majority in the Senate. This shifting support isn’t new for me; I supported former-President Obama twice as well during his runs.

I supported the First Step Act and the Fair Chance Act that passed under the Trump administration. And would have hoped for more similar legislation if he won a second term.

Now that the Dems have the majority, I am hoping that the voting rights legislation gets passed—we will see.

Amazing.

Dude supported the people undermining voting rights for years.

Defended the appointment of judges that would undermine voter rights for years

Said he planned to vote for them in the election. (But is now playing coy about if he followed through to give him cover )

But now is hoping the Dems reverse the damage done by the people he cheered on for years

 

[Based Jesus]

But we were told...

 

[RustyShackleford]

While I disagree with your characterization, I like to think I’m fairly consistent.

Shameful and shameless as usual

 

[marikomorose]

dwalk31 That Was A Very Neutral Response

Felt Full Of Dog Whistles And Allusions To Things. Are You Like That With Politics Specifically Or Do You Also Speak Vaguely And At Discretion About Other Things?

Not Even Trying To Be Funny Just Curious.

Sometimes when I email ppl it capitalizes every word, is this the case for you?

 

[dwalk31]

Amazing.

Dude supported the people undermining voting rights for years.

Defended the appointment of judges that would undermine voter rights for years

Said he planned to vote for them in the election. (But is now playing coy about if he followed through to give him cover )

But now is hoping the Dems reverse the damage done by the people he cheered on for years

There are numerous posts of me saying that I am against voter suppression, period—no matter who is doing it.

The revisionist history is remarkable.

 

[RustyShackleford]

But we were told...

One thing that really ****ing pissed me off, especially among left-wing critics of "defund the police", is their attitude toward these types of programs

How much they derided the suggestion of these policies being used more

It was always some "It is all about reducing crime, lol at your social workers" type steez. Without a thought that maybe it is a good idea for a) police to do less of this work and focus on crime deterrence and B) most importantly that may be members of society, especially with mental health issues, deserve to be treated with some level of respect.

 

[frink85]

Why do people think the collection of the dumbest people in the world are a threat? LOL

the fact that they’re so dumb that they believe anything some higher idiot tells them no matter what, plus emotional instability, plus finally they all have guns.

 

[RustyShackleford]

There are numerous posts of me saying that I am against voter suppression, period—no matter who is doing it.

The revisionist history is remarkable.

Where in my post did I claim you didn't say you were against voter suppression?

Pretty sure I said you supported the people do nearly all the voter suppression in the country. And your keep supporting them while they were advocating for more.

So you can say one thing, not disputing you did, I am saying you supported Republicans and republicans commit most voter suppression.

Remarkable how you can claim someone can ignore what you typed while ignoring what they typed.

Funny how that works.

 

[marikomorose]

the fact that they’re so dumb that they believe anything some higher idiot tells them no matter what, plus emotional instability, plus finally they all have guns.

The dumb people are why the world is the way it is.

 

[dwalk31]

Where in my post did I claim you didn't say you were against voter suppression?

Pretty sure I said you supported the people do nearly all the voter suppression in the country. And your keep supporting them while they were advocating for more.

So you can say one thing, not disputing you did, I am saying you supported Republicans and republicans commit most voter suppression.

Remarkable how you can claim someone can ignore what you typed while ignoring what they typed.

Funny how that works.

*Sigh*

You mentioned several things related to voter suppression and then stated I cheered them on for years.

You noticeably omitted that I was vocal about my stance against voter suppression.

Anyone paying attention knows what you implied and what you noticeably omitted.

But no need to go back and forth. You got it.

 

[RustyShackleford]

*Sigh*

You mentioned several things related to voter suppression and then stated I cheered them on for years.

You noticeably omitted that I was vocal about my stance against voter suppression.

Anyone paying attention knows what you implied and what you noticeably omitted.

But no need to go back and forth. You got it.

Thanks

Anyone paying attention knows what you implied and what you noticeably omitted.

Methodical Management Imagine if he applied this logic to Cosby's deposition

 

[uncalled4boy]

Sometimes when I email ppl it capitalizes every word, is this the case for you?

Nah I Just Do It Because It's Different.

 

[blastercombo]

*Sigh*

You mentioned several things related to voter suppression and then stated I cheered them on for years.

You noticeably omitted that I was vocal about my stance against voter suppression.

Anyone paying attention knows what you implied and what you noticeably omitted.

But no need to go back and forth. You got it.

Lol go back to your bill cosby support.

 

[Methodical Management]

Damn the deep state got DeSantis too...

DeSantis urges public to get vaccinated: These shots are ‘saving lives’

Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis (R) is urging Floridians to get vaccinated against the coronavirus, saying that the shots are “saving lives.”

thehill.com

5GOP

If you always take about the pragmatism of the black electorate, then why not trust them to make the right choice in the next primary?

Your fixation on her is not only weird it undercuts on of the points your routinely deploy to attack progressives candidates.

If black folk so pragmatic, and Harris so weak, then all that needs to be done is put a viable alternative in front of the black southern electorate. Right?

You don’t understand, Rusty. You got your degrees and then left for the desert. You’re not out here in these streets.

The revisionist history is remarkable.

Indeed.

As I said before, 2016 was a rebuke a Clinton. One person had a record in office and the other didn’t.

You want to flip the narrative to me supporting Trump in 2016 for criminal justice reform. But It’s a red herring.

 

[IATT]

 

[TooOlfForThisIsh]

I guess your the one guy in america left who think HIlary was a good choice. i disagree, in hindsight it's pretty clear to see her obvious deficiencies as a candidate.

With the benefit of hindsight, do you think Sanders beats Trump?

 

[dinyc3st]

Does she she not get the new memo? Looool

 

[IATT]

dwalk31

 

[osh kosh bosh]

With the benefit of hindsight, do you think Sanders beats Trump?

in 2016 I lean yes?

in 2020 probably not.

 

[IATT]

 

[whywesteppin]

we now know that the reason Trump won in 2016 was NOT economic anxiety, just like the reason Hillary lost was NOT not being a woman.

 

[AEA18]

How Does A College Educated Black Man From East Atlanta Vote For Donald Trump?

 

[IATT]

I guess your the one guy in america left who think HIlary was a good choice. i disagree, in hindsight it's pretty clear to see her obvious deficiencies as a candidate.
and we would have been al better off if biden or liz warren or somebody else also challeged her in 2016

she won the popular vote by almost 3 million votes

2 weeks before the election they announced they were doing a BS investigate into her AND she still barely lost at the electoral college:
"Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin. Trump won those states by 0.2, 0.7 and 0.8 percentage points, respectively — and by 10,704, 46,765 and 22,177 votes"

republicans spent 2 decades demonizing the name clinton.. and top of sexism, had the people pissed off obama was in charge for 8 years

as this past elections showed, republicans have a hard time landing attacks on straight white men

 

[osh kosh bosh]

I am not dismissing her negatives, I am pointing out there was not a good alternative.

there was not good alternative because "the party decided." just like the party ultimately decided for Joe Biden just much later in the game..

people think "The Party Decides" political theory is bunk because of Trumps win, I think it still is very strong in the democratic party
institutional dem aligned organizations have greater influence and control over who runs and who doesn't


The democratic party cleared the way for Clinton by signalling to potential challengers that they would not receive support if they challenged Clinton.
Biden flirted with running but was discouraged by Obama. Liz Warren thought about running but didn't because
im sure she would have received very little doner support

so that left a kamikaze run by 70+ year old socialist from Maine.

Ezra Klein made this point in Vox, Hilary Clinton excelling at inside game, building elite coalition, converting potetial foes like Warren into allies. is what ultimately won her the nomination.


the idea that you're holding on to "the most popular politician in america" polling after 2016 and 2020 flies in the face of observable reality.
when clearly we've learned that polls like that misled us into believing her support was stronger than it actually was.


to me would have been much better off if Obama didn't discourage Biden from running and
Liz Warren had challenged Clinton from the left. but alas