***Official Political Discussion Thread***

[wavycrocket]

you know what you said was wrong if aepps20 has to break kayfabe to correct you

aepps20 let me down with that post.

I am a SAD Patriot

 

[aepps20]

aepps20 let me down with that post.

I am a SAD Patriot

I'm sorry, I LOVE YOU.

 

[aepps20]

New NY gun laws

States Rights except when States Rights ain't RIGHT.

 

[WASHED KING]

Stacey?

Or maybe....just maybe we spend more money on education which will increase the earning potential for the community that will decrease poverty and in tern lower the crime rate making the jobs of officers easier.

But nah lets throw more OT money at the 2.4 GPA Military rejects with god complexes, low T, and early onset male pattern baldness who's wives are cheating on them so they take it out on minorities.

 

[letsgetit22]

Gym and mtg inquired but didn't ask direct

 

[letsgetit22]

States Rights except when States Rights ain't RIGHT.

The Supreme Court is too politicized to have this much power.

 

[aepps20]

The Supreme Court is too politicized to have this much power.

Facts, I know packing the court will be something we see in our lifetimes or the executive branch and others choosing to ignore their rulings. Dangerous times.

 

[dacomeup]

 

[elpablo21]

Gym and mtg inquired but didn't ask direct

Pardons all for a dust up? Heh

 

[letsgetit22]

Pardons all for a dust up? Heh

Gaetz asked for a broad pardon for any and everything leading up to the day he requested it. I guess he was trying to include his sex trafficking investigation as well

 

[noskey]

Pardons all for a dust up? Heh

RINOs. All of them. True patriots know Jan 6th wasnt anything more than boys being boys for a few hours.

 

[IATT]

 

[IATT]

 

[frank 7he t4nk]

Or maybe....just maybe we spend more money on education which will increase the earning potential for the community that will decrease poverty and in tern lower the crime rate making the jobs of officers easier.

But nah lets throw more OT money at the 2.4 GPA Military rejects with god complexes, low T, and early onset male pattern baldness who's wives are cheating on them so they take it out on minorities.

Think the only thing Washed King hates more than officers is the Warriors

 

[Mark Antony]

I do agree cops should be paid well but from everything I've seen, they already do.

 

[frank 7he t4nk]

I do agree cops should be paid well but from everything I've seen, they already do.

100% agree. Salaries OT pension plans continual increases in funding while also being one of the largest segments of a city's budget. It's maddening.

 

[WASHED KING]

Think the only thing Washed King hates more than officers is the Warriors

Only thing I hate more than the Warriors is police officers.

End of the day basketball is a game.

 

[frank 7he t4nk]

Only thing I hate more than the Warriors is police officers.

End of the day basketball is a game.

I meant it in jest lol

 

[IATT]

 

[RustyShackleford]

You guys should read the entire Stacey Abrams, then click the link and read the policy outline that she has on her website...

The rise in violence in Georgia is inextricably linked to economic insecurity and guns. Georgia’s poverty rate is 14 percent overall and 20 percent among children, who are now committing more crimes or are the most vulnerable victims. Numerous studies show direct connections between violence, economic instability and under-resourced public schools.

Yet, the violence our neighborhoods face is directly tied to guns and their availability and poor oversight in Georgia. Guns are the leading cause of death among Georgia’s kids and teens. Georgia ranks 9th in the nation for gun violence and at least 80 percent of homicides in Georgia are committed with guns.

The current governor has consistently deflected responsibility for the rise of violent crime that started on his watch, and he has failed to respond to the major increase in gun violence that began in 2020. Instead, he has advocated for and signed into law a new criminal carry bill that makes it easier for virtually anyone to carry concealed weapons in public. Before the passage of criminal carry legislation in Georgia, more than 11,000 people were denied or revoked permits over a three year period because they likely failed to pass a background check.

Brian Kemp’s predecessor, Governor Nathan Deal, a Republican, understood the connection between public safety and criminal justice. Gov. Deal led a multi-year bipartisan reform effort, which saved hundreds of millions of dollars while advancing public safety. Instead of building on Gov. Deal’s work, Gov. Kemp disbanded that successful, cost-saving effort. Stacey Abrams will reconstitute the Public Safety and Criminal Justice Reform Task Force and expand on Governor Deal’s legacy by convening stakeholders—including law enforcement, prosecutors, criminal defense attorneys, judges, advocates, and formerly incarcerated Georgians—to collaborate on evidence-based solutions to our public safety challenges.

Stacey Abrams is the only candidate for governor with a comprehensive plan to address violent crime and reform our criminal justice system in Georgia.

Combat the fundamental causes of violence and decriminalize poverty​

• Expand Medicaid to broaden access to mental health and substance abuse treatment and reduce the role of law enforcement in crisis intervention.
• Support wraparound services for high-risk communities to decrease incident rates, including targeting challenged schools/neighborhoods that produce a disproportionate number of youth offenders.
• Require civil rather than criminal penalties for certain traffic and low-level drug offenses to reduce recidivism and escalation of criminal behavior.
• Target programs to increase educational and community opportunities for at-risk young people beginning in 3rd grade through joint projects with schools and nonprofits.
• Secure mental health and behavioral therapy for highest-risk youth and offer family interventions.
• Expand employment training and opportunities, including apprenticeships, for high-risk youth.

Reduce gun violence​

• Coordinate with and secure financial incentives for local governments, law enforcement agencies, and community organizations to design and implement violence intervention programs.
• Reduce guns on the streets by repealing bills that needlessly endanger Georgians — including criminal carry, campus carry, and the 2014 “Guns Everywhere” law.
• Close the background check loophole for private transfers and gun show sales.
• Close the domestic violence perpetrators loophole.
• Adopt red flag legislation to prevent those who pose a danger to themselves or others to purchase a weapon or to be reported for protective actions.

Reduce recidivism and support reentry​

• Establish a new Public Safety and Criminal Justice Reform Task Force that builds on Governor Nathan Deal’s legacy by reconvening stakeholders — including law enforcement, prosecutors, criminal defense attorneys, judges, advocates, and formerly incarcerated Georgians — to collaborate on evidence-based solutions to our public safety challenges.
• Restore and expand proven interventions like eliminating private probation, expanding diversion programs and funding accountability courts such as veterans’ courts and drug courts
• Realign investments in treatment, education, and job training that will enable people to live crime-free lives after release.
• Strengthen self-help programs for people released from prison.
• Expand access to mental health and substance abuse treatment through Medicaid expansion.
• Incentivize employers to hire people reentering their community.
• Enact Clean Slate legislation that offers automatic clearing of criminal records once someone remains crime-free for a set period of time.

This is the part relevant to the tweets...

Support and Invest in Law Enforcement​

• Raise base salary for state patrol, correctional officers (adult and juvenile), and community supervision officers to approximately $50,000/year and offer proportionate increases based on experience, which will improve recruitment and retention efforts to address severe staffing shortages, at a two-year cost of $91M per year.
• Provide $25M in state grants to local agencies for salary raises to support living wages and incentivize local housing options, rather than deferring support to the public through problematic tax credit programs that have proven uneven or insufficient in other sectors.
• Secure and regularize mental health supports at every level of law enforcement, including reducing stigma and expanding self-reporting options.
• Invest in expanded training and collaborative supports, like crisis officers who specialize in mental health and social service.

This is the part she references later in the thread...

Build community trust and accountability in public safety​

• Develop and enforce guidelines for key police department policies that govern community relations and transparency.
• Partner with Georgia Peace Officers Standards and Training Program (GA POST) to fortify training standards that address use of force, de-escalation, and crisis intervention and tie increased state funding to local department adoption of best practices.
• Require accountability for unlawful law enforcement and correctional violence and misconduct.
• Provide and maintain a statewide database of law enforcement officers dismissed for violation of standards to help other law enforcement agencies make informed hiring decisions.

This is the entire plan and is not out of step with what she has been saying for a while about the median Democratic position

People have this idea of cops making a lot because of high-profile police departments, and how their unions bleed city government budgets for overtime pay.

So a lot of cops, especially younger ones, to make good pay fall back on overtime and arrest tricks. Departments' fallback on municipal fines and asset forfeiture. When these things are not available to gets even worse policing and more illegal police behavior. No matter how low you think the police can get, they can go lower. Seems like Abrams wants to work on the margins to improve things

I believe I read that cops working longer hours and overtime and more prone to get into incidents, you take an irrational hothead and you make him tired and want to go home, you raise the risk of misconduct. When you cut the budget to push through tax cuts for big business, cops will respond by trying to extract money from citizens at a higher rate.

I mentioned this during the great Osh police rant of 2020-2021. Police unions make this issue worse. You say you want to give cops more base pay, they are cool, you say you want to hire more cops they are all for it. But if you say well then that will lead to less overtime pay being needed, and unions say f that, no way. Incumbent police want to protect the status quo because they want to keep the overtime pay tap flowing. This makes is nearly impossible to improve things through turnover

Rural America in shambles, they need more cops, white people wilding out in the countryside and police forces can't keep up. Cops don't want their jobs unless they have been booted from the city and suburban forces. So yeah, rural America needs more money to attract people to come out to live in places most people don't want to.

All would actually prefer they send the lunatic cops out to Trump country and let cities hire new ones.

And of course the obvious. She is running for governor in a swing state during a red wave year. Tim Ryan attacking JD Vance in a similar way too.

My main concern is white police forces policing black people in rural America. And their needs to be state-level civil rights enforcement on that. Which I trust Abrams to do.

 

[aepps20]

You guys should read the entire Stacey Abrams, then click the link and read the policy outline that she has on her website...








This is the part relevant to the tweets...



This is the part she references later in the thread...


This is the entire plan and is not out of step with what she has been saying for a while about the median Democratic position

People have this idea of cops making a lot because of high-profile police departments, and how their unions bleed city government budgets for overtime pay.

So a lot of cops, especially younger ones, to make good pay fall back on overtime and arrest tricks. Departments' fallback on municipal fines and asset forfeiture. When these things are not available to gets even worse policing and more illegal police behavior. No matter how low you think the police can get, they can go lower. Seems like Abrams wants to work on the margins to improve things

I believe I read that cops working longer hours and overtime and more prone to get into incidents, you take an irrational hothead and you make him tired and want to go home, you raise the risk of misconduct. When you cut the budget to push through tax cuts for big business, cops will respond by trying to extract money from citizens at a higher rate.

I mentioned this during the great Osh police rant of 2020-2021. Police unions make this issue worse. You say you want to give cops more base pay, they are cool, you say you want to hire more cops they are all for it. But if you say well then that will lead to less overtime pay being needed, and unions say f that, no way. Incumbent police want to protect the status quo because they want to keep the overtime pay tap flowing. This makes is nearly impossible to improve things through turnover

Rural America in shambles, they need more cops, white people wilding out in the countryside and police forces can't keep up. Cops don't want their jobs unless they have been booted from the city and suburban forces. So yeah, rural America needs more money to attract people to come out to live in places most people don't want to.

All would actually prefer they send the lunatic cops out to Trump country and let cities hire new ones.

And of course the obvious. She is running for governor in a swing state during a red wave year. Tim Ryan attacking JD Vance in a similar way too.

My main concern is white police forces policing black people in rural America. And their needs to be state-level civil rights enforcement on that. Which I trust Abrams to do.

I don't care if Stacey has to denounce BLM and run on increasing funding to cops so long as she wins.

 

[IATT]

 

[IATT]

 

[stuntman mike]

aepps20 just seen you at mcd

 

[aepps20]

aepps20 just seen you at mcd

I waived to you guys but only Kaleb acknowledged his Unc aepps20 .