***Official Political Discussion Thread***

[mplsdunk]

I mean, there’s probably some truth to that.
Either way it doesn’t change the fact that it’s a blatant war crime to target civilians and/or civilian infrastructure, even if hypothetically there are ‘legitimate targets’ inside.

That school full of kids that the US bombed in Iran was next to an IRGC compound too. Doesn’t change anything about targeting civilians being an explicit war crime. It’s smart to build schools etc right next to military compounds but the likes of Israel just see it as extra motivation if they can slaughter some extra civilians.

Even if, hypothetically, a hospital or similar civilian facility is filled to the brim with military targets, it doesn’t give anyone the right to bomb said facility.

Even that Israeli operation where they set off mini bombs inside those communication devices violates that basic principle. The targets in possession were (supposedly) exclusively military targets but it ended up as a gigantic war crime anyway because they indiscriminately set them off all at once without accounting for civilians who were nearby.

Israel massacring civilians isn’t merely a byproduct, it’s the main goal in the first place.

There’s zero reason to give Israel/America the benefit of the doubt here

 

[Canadian Destroyer]

This Pratt guy strikes me as an industry plant just there for prediction markets

 

[Belgium]

There’s zero reason to give Israel/America the benefit of the doubt here

Either way it doesn’t change anything. Bombing civilians and civilian infrastructure is a war crime no matter the circumstances.

Especially for Israel it’s clearly more about genocidal intent anyway than collateral damage. Massacring civilians is the whole point of what they’re doing.

 

[Dr.BlasterCombo]

Either way it doesn’t change anything. Bombing civilians and civilian infrastructure is a war crime no matter the circumstances.

Especially for Israel it’s clearly more about genocidal intent anyway than collateral damage. Massacring civilians is the whole point of what they’re doing.

There is no “either way”. They target civilians. Dozens of documented instances within the past year alone.

 

[Belgium]

There is no “either way”. They target civilians. Dozens of documented instances within the past year alone.

That’s what I just said?
Massacring civilians is their primary goal, not a byproduct.

The ‘either way’ is referring to the hypothetical of terrorists hiding among civilians not changing anything about it being a war crime to target civilians. They always try to justify their genocide with that nonsense. Everyone with a brain can see their goal is to specifically massacre as many civilians as possible anyway.

 

[DripNick]

Israel massacring civilians isn’t merely a byproduct, it’s the main goal in the first place.

 

[Mark Antony]

That's not even an exaggeration. Folks keep screaming this and it's like no one is listening. This last 7 years has been absurd, death by 1000 cuts.

 

[aepps20]

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That's not even an exaggeration. Folks keep screaming this and it's like no one is listening. This last 7 years has been absurd, death by 1000 cuts.

Folks are listening but many of the same people that are impacted voted for this or didn’t vote at all.

 

[dmbrhs]

I've been off a cocaine for almost two years, but last summer I grabbed an insulated mug to take to the pool. I never use these mugs so I never think much of them. Anyway, I grabbed it and there was a whole *** 8-ball inside. I'd stashed it there for some reason and forgot about it. So, it can happen lol. In case you're wondering, I dumped it down the drain. But it was kind of funny to find a stash that had been sitting there for at least a year.

 

[mplsdunk]

I forgot a bag at work 10 years ago. Remembered a random day when we’re were cleaning. Place was looking good after.

 

[pmatic]

 

[IATT]

 

[IATT]

 

[yobyellav]

The press office is off limits to the press?!

Yeah, everything is above board. No need to worry.

 

[aepps20]

The press office is off limits to the press?!

Yeah, everything is above board. No need to worry.

Real above board and legal.

 

[Belgium]

I've been off a cocaine for almost two years, but last summer I grabbed an insulated mug to take to the pool. I never use these mugs so I never think much of them. Anyway, I grabbed it and there was a whole *** 8-ball inside. I'd stashed it there for some reason and forgot about it. So, it can happen lol. In case you're wondering, I dumped it down the drain. But it was kind of funny to find a stash that had been sitting there for at least a year.

My cleaning lady earlier this month told me she found a whole box stuffed with codeine syrup in one of my old cabinets in a spare room
She knows I’m in rehab though so it’s not exactly the biggest surprise.

My town’s former pharmacist used to just pretend the opium law doesn’t exist so I guess at some point I bought so many caseloads of it that I kinda forgot about part of it. As soon as he sold me a bottle without a prescription after the opium law, I just used the “well you didn’t ask for a prescription last time…” excuse and he never really refused when you pressured him with that. He retired a couple years ago though. The new pharmacist doesn’t play those games

It’s not the codeine/promethazine variant y’all have in the US though, I don’t think I’ve ever even seen promethazine here. The one we have here is a blend of codeine and pseudoephedrine called “Actifed Loco.”
They took the Loco version (it’s literally called that btw, not a nickname) off the market when I was still a little kid but pharmacists still homebrew the OG version if the doctor prescribes it.
I forgot why exactly they banned it. I’m pretty sure the controversy was more about the high pseudoephedrine than the codeine.

That stuff’s like magic if you have a cold or something. Also works as an opioid withdrawal substitute because the codeine acts as the substitute and the other ingredients get rid of the congestion you get from mild withdrawal.

 

[aepps20]

My cleaning lady earlier this month told me she found a whole box stuffed with codeine syrup in one of my old cabinets in a spare room
She knows I’m in rehab though so it’s not exactly the biggest surprise.

My town’s former pharmacist used to just pretend the opium law doesn’t exist so I guess at some point I bought so many caseloads of it that I kinda forgot about part of it. As soon as he sold me a bottle without a prescription after the opium law, I just used the “well you didn’t ask for a prescription last time…” excuse and he never really refused when you pressured him with that. He retired a couple years ago though. The new pharmacist doesn’t play those games

It’s not the codeine/promethazine variant y’all have in the US, I don’t think I’ve ever even seen promethazine here. The one we have here is a blend of codeine and pseudoephedrine called “Actifed Loco.”
They took the Loco version (it’s literally called that btw, not a nickname) off the market when I was still a little kid but pharmacists still homebrew the OG version if the doctor prescribes it.
I forgot why exactly they banned it. I’m pretty sure the controversy was more about the high pseudoephedrine than the codeine.

I know you were battling some health challenges but didn’t know that you’re in rehab. Extremely proud of you fam and please let me know in a pm if I can be of any assistance.

 

[Belgium]

I know you were battling some health challenges but didn’t know that you’re in rehab. Extremely proud of you fam and please let me know in a pm if I can be of any assistance.

Thanks fam, it’s been going well so far.
I came in at a dosage of 500mg daily Tramadol (somewhere a little higher up the ladder than codeine but way below morphine and oxy in terms of potency). For reference, the maximum daily dosage a day is 400mg. Tramadol is generally the stuff they give you during a hospital stay if you complain that your Tylenol isn’t strong enough. You might know it as Ultram or Tradonal in the US.

Currently already down to 150mg a day since arriving here in mid-April.
Main issue is the underlying chronic pain issue is getting a bit bothersome and I still have 150mg left to go. I do have a legitimate prescription at the end of the day, it’s just that I ran up those dosages so far past the point of reasonable that my liver had to do some (successful) regenerating.

As far as addiction goes, it could be a lot worse. Never interfered with my jobs, personal relationships or anything. Tramadol as an opioid is mild enough that you can use homemade substitute therapy (codeine syrup or kratom) to just completely eliminate any withdrawal effects. At my last job I came down from up to 800mg/day back down to my prescribed dosage a bunch of times without any visible effects.

I imagine it’s probably a lot more difficult for people who don’t have a prescription or use something stronger (hydrocodone, oxy, morphine, …) that you can’t easily hide or explain.

 

[nonnative]

Thanks fam, it’s been going well so far.
I came in at a dosage of 500mg daily Tramadol (somewhere inbetween codeine and morphine). For reference, the maximum daily dosage a day is 400mg.

Currently already down to 150mg a day since arriving here in mid-April.
Main issue is the underlying chronic pain issue is getting a bit bothersome and I still have 150mg left to go. I do have a legitimate prescription at the end of the day, it’s just that I ran up those dosages so far past the point of reasonable that my liver had to do some (successful) regenerating.

As far as addiction goes, it could be a lot worse. Never interfered with my jobs, personal relationships or anything. Tramadol as an opioid is mild enough that you can use homemade substitute therapy (codeine syrup or kratom) to just completely eliminate any withdrawal effects.

I imagine it’s probably a lot more difficult for people who don’t have a prescription or use something stronger (hydrocodone, oxy, morphine, …) that you can’t easily hide or explain.

Glad you're getting help but man rehab for tramadol is actually pretty wild. That stuff barely even registers here.

That's not an indictment on you but on how many drugs and painkillers America uses.

 

[aepps20]

Thanks fam, it’s been going well so far.
I came in at a dosage of 500mg daily Tramadol (somewhere a little higher up the ladder than codeine but way below morphine and oxy in terms of potency). For reference, the maximum daily dosage a day is 400mg.

Currently already down to 150mg a day since arriving here in mid-April.
Main issue is the underlying chronic pain issue is getting a bit bothersome and I still have 150mg left to go. I do have a legitimate prescription at the end of the day, it’s just that I ran up those dosages so far past the point of reasonable that my liver had to do some (successful) regenerating.

As far as addiction goes, it could be a lot worse. Never interfered with my jobs, personal relationships or anything. Tramadol as an opioid is mild enough that you can use homemade substitute therapy (codeine syrup or kratom) to just completely eliminate any withdrawal effects. At my last job I came down from up to 800mg/day back down to my prescribed dosage a bunch of times without any visible effects.

I imagine it’s probably a lot more difficult for people who don’t have a prescription or use something stronger (hydrocodone, oxy, morphine, …) that you can’t easily hide or explain.

Extremely proud of you fam. I’m legit from to knowing that you are getting better. I pray that your chronic pain goes away and that you can keep doing great things in life.

 

[mplsdunk]

Glad you're getting help but man rehab for tramadol is actually pretty wild. That stuff barely even registers here.

That's not an indictment on you but on how many drugs and painkillers America uses.

I got in a car accident I had stuff I didn’t even ask for, anti psychotics for anxiety because I was stuck in the hospital

I didn’t even say I was anxious they just gave it to me

They kept me on a morphine and dilaudid drip for long af too. Like they’re just trying to get you hooked. It’s ok to feel physical pain…

 

[Belgium]

Glad you're getting help but man rehab for tramadol is actually pretty wild. That stuff barely even registers here.

To be fair, I imagine it’s pretty rare since it’s one of the weakest opioids. It’s stronger than codeine but not by that much. From what I hear, the likes of hydrocodone, oxy, … are prescribed way easier in the US.

We tend to be pretty strict with opioids here in my experience. When I had to get half my right lung removed in 2013 or something for an unrelated issue, the hospital put me on like 4 or 5 opioids at the same time the next few days but then sent me home with nothing but Tylenol as soon as they pulled out the chest tube
I was mad as hell. How are you gonna put me on a morphine drip, Tramadol IV, Sufentanil and then send me home with a handful of Tylenols? I guess it’s better than handing out Oxy like candy though.
Even for the chronic pain issue I had to try every NSAID in the book and some more niche alternatives like Pregabalin for a couple years before anyone considered giving me Tramadol.

Obviously you can probably get something if you go doctor shopping enough but even then you’ll probably have to take the illegal route if you want easy access to something stronger than Tramadol.
Nobody will bat an eye at a Tramadol prescription though so that’s why abuse is pretty common and easier to hide.

Ironically it’s a pretty common complaint here that hospitals in particular are too apprehensive about just temporarily prescribing opioids to the elderly even after severely painful surgeries. At the major hospitals you’ll just get sent home with some Tylenol like I did even though they pump you full of opioids during your actual stay.

 

[mplsdunk]

See they sent me home with a 3 month supply of percs.

I think it’s different now though since they created a zombie outbreak.

 

[RustyShackleford]

Me reading this page:

-But real talk, glad y'all in a better place.

 

[Belgium]

See they sent me home with a 3 month supply of percs.

I think it’s different now though since they created a zombie outbreak.

We actually used to have worse laws than y’all when it comes to opioids
When I was a kid, codeine and tramadol weren’t prescription meds and you could just buy them over the counter. Y’all were ahead by like a whole decade when it came to restricting those.

Classifying them as controlled substances was roughly around the same time though.
That’s also when the huge push here to avoid prescribing any form of opioids began.

Some (including me) would argue we went too far in the restrictive direction. If an elderly patient comes in for a horribly painful surgery, just give them some Oxy man. Who cares at that point. They’re not gonna leave the retirement home to go scout out a traphouse for an Oxy 80.