***Official Political Discussion Thread***

[seandon23]

BOOM there it is. That right there is why nothing will ever change.

That is the problem with your way of thinking, this IS A PROBLEM. The fact that you turn a disregard this is indeed a problem

 

[RustyShackleford]

Rico would want black people to carpool, to get IDs, just to vote for the same clowns that restricted there voting rights and made them jump through hoops too.

Cause dem taxes need to be cut, **** my people's rights

 

[AEA18]

Once I get da cuban of lay-away then I'll start saving up for da OG muscle car with da hemi

Da jesus piece will no longer be a paperweight because nationwide stop and frisk will make it safe for me to finally wear it in my Heights bubble.

dat smug arrogance

I'm just keeping it 100

I thought that's what da trumpers like?

 

[AEA18]

This is my problem with Rico's statement. People should not have to go the extra mile to get the simple right to vote espicially when the law is targeted at discriminating black people. Black people as well as other minorities should not have to deal with this for the simple act of voting

BOOM there it is. That right there is why nothing will ever change.

So voting should be harder for everyone or just minorities?

 

[seandon23]

Rico would want black people to carpool, to get IDs, just to vote for the same clowns that restricted there voting rights and made them jump through hoops too.

Cause dem taxes need to be cut, **** my people's rights

What I don't understand is how he can say that when the right to vote should be guaranteed to people because it is a part of their RIGHTS. They shouldn't have to jump through hoops to get this. Going the extra mile should not be something people should have to do and the same can apply to them in another district under the same state law. Either way this should not happen to begin with

 

[rico x hood]

That is the problem with your way of thinking, this IS A PROBLEM. The fact that you turn a disregard this is indeed a problem

No the problem is you don't feel you should actively have to do anything. It's written. You said it. And proved my point. MLK walked from Selma to Montgomery to get the right to vote. People saying strict voter ID laws are infringing on them but won't get up and get an ID because they shouldn't have to go the extra mile.

If they cared enough they would do it. Simple as that. Change starts with the individual.

And voting is a right for all citizens so do what you have to in order to exercise it. And if you don't then it must not have meant that much to you.

 

[ninjahood]

Once I get da cuban of lay-away then I'll start saving up for da OG muscle car with da hemi

Da jesus piece will no longer be a paperweight because nationwide stop and frisk will make it safe for me to finally wear it in my Heights bubble.

dat smug arrogance

I'm just keeping it 100

I thought that's what da trumpers like?

maybe u should ask how Hillary how she managed to lose Michigan, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, no voter ID laws there...

*shrugs*

 

[AEA18]

Once I get da cuban of lay-away then I'll start saving up for da OG muscle car with da hemi

Da jesus piece will no longer be a paperweight because nationwide stop and frisk will make it safe for me to finally wear it in my Heights bubble.

dat smug arrogance

I'm just keeping it 100

I thought that's what da trumpers like?

maybe u should ask how Hillary how she managed to lose Michigan, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, no voter ID laws there...

*shrugs*

Hillary is not my savior/God like trump is for you.

 

[seandon23]

No the problem is you don't feel you should actively have to do anything. It's written. You said it. And proved my point. MLK walked from Selma to Montgomery to get the right to vote. People saying strict voter ID laws are infringing on them but won't get up and get an ID because they shouldn't have to go the extra mile.

Bro it is a RIGHT for people to vote the fact that the law targets minorities to KEEP THEM FROM VOTING IS A PROBLEM. My god man why is this so hard for you to understand where I am coming from? You shouldn't have to do anything when it is an inherent right given to all people man this should not be an issue and yet you disregard the fact that these laws are specifically targeting black people. You can't just look past this as people being lazy stop it. And add to the fact that many voting places were lost because the Voting Rights Act got gutted a few years back

Edit: and to add to the point you made in your edit about people not fighting for their right to vote because they don't...they actually are why do you think people were talking so much about the laws trying to get passed in NC that targeted black people? You act as if people aren't excercising their right when they want to but when you infringe upon people and dissuade them from being able to do so that is the problem.

 

[ninjahood]

Once I get da cuban of lay-away then I'll start saving up for da OG muscle car with da hemi

Da jesus piece will no longer be a paperweight because nationwide stop and frisk will make it safe for me to finally wear it in my Heights bubble.

dat smug arrogance

I'm just keeping it 100

I thought that's what da trumpers like?

maybe u should ask how Hillary how she managed to lose Michigan, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, no voter ID laws there...

*shrugs*

Hillary is not my savior/God like trump is for you.

wait, we still deflecting blame instead of answering da question on why ya lost Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin?

dat über arrogance...

 

[gry60]

That is the problem with your way of thinking, this IS A PROBLEM. The fact that you turn a disregard this is indeed a problem

No the problem is you don't feel you should actively have to do anything. It's written. You said it. And proved my point. MLK walked from Selma to Montgomery to get the right to vote. People saying strict voter ID laws are infringing on them but won't get up and get an ID because they shouldn't have to go the extra mile.

If they cared enough they would do it. Simple as that. Change starts with the individual.

And voting is a right for all citizens so do what you have to in order to exercise it. And if you don't then it must not have meant that much to you.

Should we do the same too? Should everybody else do the same, no matter what they look like or should that just apply to minorities because that's what they are, and that's what their predecessors did?

That's some slave mentality ****. Real talk. If there are 10 polling stations open for in an area of 5000 white people, there should be the same amount in an area inhabited by 5000 non-whites. That's what is being said here.

 

[AEA18]

Once I get da cuban of lay-away then I'll start saving up for da OG muscle car with da hemi

Da jesus piece will no longer be a paperweight because nationwide stop and frisk will make it safe for me to finally wear it in my Heights bubble.

dat smug arrogance

I'm just keeping it 100

I thought that's what da trumpers like?

maybe u should ask how Hillary how she managed to lose Michigan, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, no voter ID laws there...

*shrugs*

Hillary is not my savior/God like trump is for you.

wait, we still deflecting blame instead of answering da question on why ya lost Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin?

dat über arrogance...

Answer da question?

We know why she lost.

Da identity politics really worked out well for trump

 

[ninjahood]

New York Times: We blew it on Trump
By Michael Goodwin
November 11, 2016 | 8:10pm | Updated November 11, 2016 | 9:22pm

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Photo: AP
The Gray Lady feels the agony of political defeat — in her reputation and in her wallet.

After taking a beating almost as brutal as Hillary Clinton’s, the New York Times on Friday made an extraordinary appeal to its readers to stand by her. The publisher’s letter to subscribers was part apology and part defense of its campaign coverage, but the key takeaway was a pledge to do better.

Times publisher Arthur Sulzberger Jr. admitted the paper failed to appreciate Donald Trump’s appeal.


“After such an erratic and unpredictable election there are inevitable questions: Did Donald Trump’s sheer unconventionality lead us and other news outlets to underestimate his support among American voters?”

While insisting his staff had “reported on both candidates fairly,” he also vowed that the paper would “rededicate ourselves to the fundamental mission of Times journalism. That is to report America and the world honestly, without fear or favor.”

Ah, there’s the rub. Had the paper actually been fair to both candidates, it wouldn’t need to rededicate itself to honest reporting. And it wouldn’t have been totally blindsided by Trump’s victory.

Instead, because it demonized Trump from start to finish, it failed to realize he was onto something. And because the paper decided that Trump’s supporters were a rabble of racist rednecks and homophobes, it didn’t have a clue about what was happening in the lives of the Americans who elected the new president.

Sulzberger’s letter alludes to this, promising that the paper will “striv[e] always to understand and reflect all political perspectives and life experiences in the stories that we bring to you.”

But bad or sloppy journalism doesn’t fully capture the Times sins. Not after it announced that it was breaking it rules of coverage because Trump didn’t deserve fairness.

As media columnist Jim Rutenberg put it in August, most Times reporters saw Trump “as an abnormal and potentially dangerous candidate” and thus couldn’t be even-handed.

That wasn’t one reporter talking — it was policy. The standards, developed over decades to force reporters and editors to be fair and to build public trust, were effectively eliminated as too restrictive for the Trump phenomenon.

The man responsible for that rash decision, top editor Dean Baquet, later said the Rutenberg piece “nailed” his thinking, and went on to insist that Trump “challenged our language” and that, “He will have changed journalism.”

Baquet also said of the struggle for fairness, “I think that Trump has ended that struggle,” adding: “we now say stuff. We fact-check him. We write it more powerfully that it’s false.”

Baquet was wrong. Trump indeed was challenging, but it was Baquet who changed journalism. He’s the one who decided that the standards of fairness and nonpartisanship could be broken without consequence.

After that, the floodgates opened, and virtually every so-called news article reflected a clear bias against Trump and in favor of Clinton. Stories, photos, headlines, placement in the paper — all the tools were used to pick a president, the facts be damned.

Now the bill is coming due. Shocked by Trump’s victory and mocked even by liberals for its bias, the paper is also apparently bleeding readers — and money.

I’ve gotten letters from people who say they cancelled their Times subscriptions and, to judge from a cryptic line in a Thursday article, the problem is more than anecdotal.

Citing reader anger over election coverage, Rutenberg wrote that, “Most ominously, it came in the form of canceled subscriptions.”

Having grown up at The Times, I am pained by its decline. More troubling, as the flagship of American journalism, it is giving all reporters a black eye. Its standards were the source of its credibility, and eliminating them has made it less than ordinary.

It is because of those concerns that I repeat a suggestion about how to fix the mess. Because he now concedes a problem, perhaps Sulzberger will consider taking action.

Using an outside law firm or even in-house reporters, he must assess how and why Baquet made the decision to sever the paper from its roots. He must assess the impact on reporters and editors, and whether they felt pressure to conform their stories to Baquet’s political bias.

Whatever the findings, the publisher must insist that the standards of fairness again become a fundamental tenet in the news room. As an added guarantee, he must insist that the paper enlarge its thinking about diversity to include journalists who disagree with the Times embedded liberal slant. There has to be a difference of perspective to judge where fairness lies.

Readers, and former readers, should be part of the process. Many already know that the paper must get its head out of parochial New York and into the hearts and minds of Americans everywhere.

This is about survival. If it doesn’t change now, the Gray Lady’s days surely are numbered.

To our readers,

When the biggest political story of the year reached a dramatic and unexpected climax late Tuesday night, our newsroom turned on a dime and did what it has done for nearly two years — cover the 2016 election with agility and creativity.

After such an erratic and unpredictable election there are inevitable questions: Did Donald Trump’s sheer unconventionality lead us and other news outlets to underestimate his support among American voters? What forces and strains in America drove this divisive election and outcome? Most important, how will a president who remains a largely enigmatic figure actually govern when he takes office?

As we reflect on this week’s momentous result, and the months of reporting and polling that preceded it, we aim to rededicate ourselves to the fundamental mission of Times journalism. That is to report America and the world honestly, without fear or favor, striving always to understand and reflect all political perspectives and life experiences in the stories that we bring to you. It is also to hold power to account, impartially and unflinchingly. We believe we reported on both candidates fairly during the presidential campaign. You can rely on The New York Times to bring the same fairness, the same level of scrutiny, the same independence to our coverage of the new president and his team.

We cannot deliver the independent, original journalism for which we are known without the loyalty of our subscribers. We want to take this opportunity, on behalf of all Times journalists, to thank you for that loyalty.

Sincerely,

Arthur O. Sulzberger Jr.
Publisher

Dean Baquet
Executive Editor

https://nypost.com/2016/11/11/new-york-times-we-blew-it-on-trump/

even da NY times is apologizing for its arrogance...im still waiting for da liberal introspection here.

 

[rico x hood]

Bro it is a RIGHT for people to vote the fact that the law targets minorities to KEEP THEM FROM VOTING IS A PROBLEM. My god man why is this so hard for you to understand where I am coming from? You shouldn't have to do anything when it is an inherent right given to all people man this should not be an issue and yet you disregard the fact that these laws are specifically targeting black people. You can't just look past this as people being lazy stop it. And add to the fact that many voting places were lost because the Voting Rights Act got gutted a few years back

Edit: and to add to the point you made in your edit about people not fighting for their right to vote because they don't...they actually are why do you think people were talking so much about the laws trying to get passed in NC that targeted black people? You act as if people aren't excercising their right when they want to but when you infringe upon people and dissuade them from being able to do so that is the problem.

But there's something going on that is infringing on it? Correct? So instead of going the extra mile that you can you'd rather sit and complain. Stop me when I'm wrong. I've never denied racism but people aren't doing **** outside of complaining. You have to get active. And that doesn't mean protesting after election results.

And if people really cared then what happened in Michigan and Pennsylvania as ninja asked? Apathy. Why did black turnout drop in 2012?

 

[ninjahood]

And if people really cared then what happened in Michigan and Pennsylvania as ninja asked? Apathy. Why did black turnout drop in 2012?[/size=6]

 

[seandon23]

But there's something going on that is infringing on it? Correct? So instead of going the extra mile that you can you'd rather sit and complain. Stop me when I'm wrong. I've never denied racism but people aren't doing **** outside of complaining. You have to get active. And that doesn't mean protesting after election results.

And if people really cared then what happened in Michigan and Pennsylvania as ninja asked? Apathy. Why did black turnout drop in 2012?

You've been wrong the entire time. You act as if people aren't talking about the problems and that black people have done nothing but sit and complain when they have spoken out against these laws. Even if you deny racism you make a weak argument against it because first and foremost these laws should not be implemented the fact that you still have up to this point not taken the time to understand this is a problem I keep telling you about. People have the right to protest if they choose to they have the right to assemble I may not fully be behind it but I respect they or right to do so if they choose.

The same problem has persisted in the political culture for years if you ask me. A lack of understanding in government in this country has been a huge problem I've talked about as to why public turnout is a problem. That is not just a black issue but an American issue as well

 

[ninjahood]

And if people really cared then what happened in Michigan and Pennsylvania as ninja asked? Apathy. Why did black turnout drop in 2012?[/size=6]

 

[leavemeglazzies]

Anyway, the points this guy makes cannot be denied:

 

[nooera]

Thanks to ninjahood this is lowkey the best thread on NT the last few months

 

[everysingletime]

Lowkey arguing with my friend is like talking with a less arrogant version of ninjahood

I'm going to have to just tell him we need to agree to disagree and never discuss politics again

 

[rico x hood]

Bro it is a RIGHT for people to vote the fact that the law targets minorities to KEEP THEM FROM VOTING IS A PROBLEM. My god man why is this so hard for you to understand where I am coming from? You shouldn't have to do anything when it is an inherent right given to all people man this should not be an issue and yet you disregard the fact that these laws are specifically targeting black people. You can't just look past this as people being lazy stop it. And add to the fact that many voting places were lost because the Voting Rights Act got gutted a few years back

Edit: and to add to the point you made in your edit about people not fighting for their right to vote because they don't...they actually are why do you think people were talking so much about the laws trying to get passed in NC that targeted black people? You act as if people aren't excercising their right when they want to but when you infringe upon people and dissuade them from being able to do so that is the problem.

Should we do the same too? Should everybody else do the same, no matter what they look like or should that just apply to minorities because that's what they are, and that's what their predecessors did?

That's some slave mentality ****. Real talk. If there are 10 polling stations open for in an area of 5000 white people, there should be the same amount in an area inhabited by 5000 non-whites. That's what is being said here.

My main point to both of these posts is that people not government need to do what they have to do. It is not illegal for black people or any citizen of age to vote. So if you don't it's s choice you made. It doesn't matter what state you're in, if you can vote, then do so. Do what you have to do to exercise your right. Even if that means travelling a bit farther than someone in another state. Stop being helpless.

 

[ninjahood]

Thanks to ninjahood this is lowkey the best thread on NT the last few months

thank you, im proud my contributions of making Niketalk great again

 

[seandon23]

My main point to both of these posts is that people not government need to do what they have to do. It is not illegal for black people or any citizen of age to vote. So if you don't it's s choice you made. It doesn't matter what state you're in, if you can vote, then do so. Do what you have to do to exercise your right. Even if that means travelling a bit farther than someone in another state. Stop being helpless.

you keep missing the point i made that government is literally obstructing people from doing what they have to do. it is not illegal for black people or minorities to vote but government has made it hard on them to do so and by doing so this leads to them not partaking in the political culture if they are being discriminated against because of government obstruction under the laws that hinder them to do so. and again like i have said VOTING IS A RIGHT PROTECTED BY THE CONSTITUTION. PEOPLE SHOULD NTO HAVE THESE RIGHTS INFRINGED UPON SO THESE LAWS SHOULD NOT BE IMPLEMENTED LIKE I HAVE SAID BEFORE. you simply look past the laws being a problem and point more blame to people being helpless which is a problem with your stance on this topic so please just stop it

 

[iDon’tRead]

‘Prediction professor’ who called Trump’s big win also made another forecast: Trump will be impeached


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...st-trump-will-be-impeached/?wpisrc=nl_az_most

GOP gonna get trump out after 2-3 years and make pence the president.

"I'm going to make another prediction,” he said. “This one is not based on a system; it's just my gut."

 

[osh kosh bosh]

These Democratic party recriminations are hilarious to me, especially the stuff from Bernie people.


He lost, period, would he have beat Trump? maybe. But to do that he would have had to beat Clinton. but he didn't. Too bad, so sad.



The real question is why didn't others run.ei Warren, Booker, ect.