***Official Political Discussion Thread***

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[tay1]

I just dont understand the endgame. All the shenanigans are going to hurt Republicans for the following decade to come.

 

[nawghtyhare]

I just dont understand the endgame. All the shenanigans are going to hurt Republicans for the following decade to come.

I been tryna figure that out too

 

[Sharpshoeter13]

^ Good. looking forward to it. All this unnecessary ****show of an administration has caused everyone's valuable time and money.

Trump's endgame?

Repubs cosigned with the worst human being in the world just so they push their bigoted, selfish agenda. We now live in a society where people are held accountable for their actions yet we have a president who clearly doesn't know 99% of what he's doing and has the nerve to vent his frustrations on social media without consequences.

 

[northoaklandfc]

I just dont understand the endgame. All the shenanigans are going to hurt Republicans for the following decade to come.

There is no endgame for Trump. He's unhinged and is who most thought he was. There's nothing grander than his own pleasures and innate desires.

But you'd be giving the moral and intellectual capacity of the ideological Republican too much credence.

On a conceptual level they can't comprehend the noun endgame.

Those who are not objectively ignorant and/or lacking in cognition etc, are too full of negative feelings towards minorities to act with either reason or compassion.

In these times if they smell, hear, or see white supremacy and/or bigotry, it moves.

 

[nawghtyhare]

Like forget all that
Like
This dude legit has the nuclear codes

 

[EddieDoyers]

I just dont understand the endgame. All the shenanigans are going to hurt Republicans for the following decade to come.

Enriching the rich. You may not notice, but the American elite class is privatizing resources at a rapid rate.

 

[elpablo21]

Oh

 

[kdawg]

Da party of small government

Welcome to the land of the free. Papers please!

 

[northoaklandfc]

Enriching the rich. You may not notice, but the American elite class is privatizing resources at a rapid rate.

Do you think this is coordinated or just the hyper rich doing what the hyper rich do, being opportunistic, taking advantage of the abundance of systemic advantages afforded to them, and enriching themselves to the fullest extent possible.

 

[nawghtyhare]

Do you think this is coordinated or just the hyper rich doing what the hyper rich do, being opportunistic, taking advantage of the abundance of systemic advantages afforded to them, and enriching themselves to the fullest extent possible.

I think it’s coordinated
But purposefully looking like it’s random
Opportunistic polices

 

[EddieDoyers]

Do you think this is coordinated or just the hyper rich doing what the hyper rich do, being opportunistic, taking advantage of the abundance of systemic advantages afforded to them, and enriching themselves to the fullest extent possible.

Coordinated chaos. Conservative think tanks have guided the Trump admin in enacting their policies.

 

[EddieDoyers]

Anyway, since I haven't encountered any decent conservative thought in the forum this year, I'm going to post article possibly once a day or several times a week of conservative thought. No, they won't be from the alt right, but they are opinions that may be opposite of the supposed "libby echo chamber". Perhaps it will help some folks understand the logic, although I consider most of it to be draconian.


The real key to solving the family separation crisis at the border

When it comes to the debate in Washington over separating migrant children from adults, both sides are stoking the fire. President Trump’s allies thump their chest about “zero tolerance” and opponents pretend Trump created the problem. If the two sides focused on the underlying cause of the problem — the mess in Central America — they might agree on sensible solutions.

First, the wave of Central American migrants isn’t new, and it’s scarcely the result of Trump’s immigration policy. Second, beginning last month US border-security agencies have been dealing with an unexplained doubling of overall interdictions, compared to last year. Also in May, the number of migrants appearing as so-called family units quadrupled, and the number of unaccompanied minors tripled.

It falls to Trump and his team to deal with this crisis. There’s little doubt that sealing the border to illegal immigration was a rallying cry of Trump’s successful campaign. Working-class Americans have seen their wages drop, they blame the glut of illegal workers and they don’t feel guilty for worrying about their own children first.

However, the Trump team can’t hide behind “the Wall.” Having tackled these issues for 20 years, I’ve yet to meet a border-security expert who thinks that such an unbroken physical barrier is the most viable means of choking off illegal immigration. Yes, an effective deterrence at the border is indispensable — not only to intercept illegal migrants but to protect the country from drugs and terrorism.

In the long run, preventing our border-security resources from being overwhelmed by economic migrants will mean dealing with the root causes of illegal immigration and accepting some responsibility for the problem.

Not quite 10 years ago, the United States signed the Central American Free Trade Agreement, which also includes the Dominican Republic. We embraced these nations as important economic partners, a promising destination for US goods and investment. Unfortunately, the destructive forces of corruption and criminality spoiled those plans.

Three of the CAFTA countries — El Salvador, Guatemala and Honduras — produce the bulk of the illegal migrants showing up on our border, representing a substantial increase from these nations in the last decade. Economic growth and job creation in these countries has stagnated.

Sluggish economic growth is significant, but that’s only a symptom. The tougher challenges are soaring crime and violence, fueled by rampant drug trafficking and ruthless gangs. Securing the transit zone through which South American cocaine flows to the US market, transnational criminal organizations use threats and bribes to neutralize local police and government.

Lawlessness breeds public corruption, undermining the ability of national leaders to inspire confidence among their own people or foreign investors. So, Americans who abuse illegal drugs share in the blame for chaos on our doorstep.

Peasant farmers who have no livelihood can scarcely depend on assistance from cash-strapped governments. And many families face the threat of gang recruiters, who prey on young children and punish parents who don’t submit. Thus the dangerous trek north, to Mexico and the United States, seems a less-bad option to far too many.

The Trump administration must do a better job explaining what US aid programs — totaling $2.6 billion — are doing in cooperation with our Central American neighbors to combat crime and gangs and jumpstart economic growth.

The three countries of the “Northern Triangle” are more than doubling that investment with their own money to create opportunity for their citizens. Of course, each of these governments — along with Mexico — should do more to deter would-be migrants from making the risky journey.

Trump — whose administration recommended draconian cuts in these programs — can do his part by shooting straight with his base, recognizing that Mexico won’t be paying for a wall and the bridges we build through international commerce and cooperation are a good investment in a more secure border and a safer neighborhood.

Such straight talk might build bridges here at home as well.

http://www.aei.org/publication/the-real-key-to-solving-the-family-separation-crisis-at-the-border/

 

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[MalcolmNewton]

I just dont understand the endgame. All the shenanigans are going to hurt Republicans the entire country for the following decade to come.

We have to resist the temptation to look at these things through party eyes. What Trump does/doesn't do isn't limited to just making rethugs look bad at the annual christmas party. They are doing damage to the rule of law (or lacktherof) itself. We will still be feeling the effects of Trumps white nationalist/jingoistic rule in the year 2060 when Zendaya is president.

 

[gry60]

We have to resist the temptation to look at these things through party eyes. What Trump does/doesn't do isn't limited to just making rethugs look bad at the annual christmas party. They are doing damage to the rule of law (or lacktherof) itself. We will still be feeling the effects of Trumps white nationalist/jingoistic rule in the year 2060 when Zendaya is president.

The civil war never ended.

 

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[Belgium]

Story is still developing, article is only a minute old
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/06/22/tru...nt-tariff-on-all-car-imports-from-the-eu.html
Trump threatens 20% tariff on all car imports from the EU

 

[sonoftony]

He's trying to kill those kids and troops >:

 

[MalcolmNewton]

Story is still developing, article is only a minute old
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/06/22/tru...nt-tariff-on-all-car-imports-from-the-eu.html
Trump threatens 20% tariff on all car imports from the EU

The Orange Rust belt King will have the price of everything skyrocket with no rise in wages. He is a shortsighted fool and his kek flag waving supporters deserve what they get.

 

[aepps20]

The Orange Rustbelt King will have the price of everything skyrocket with no rise in wages. He is a shortsighted fool and his kek flag waving supporters deserve what they get.

 

[MalcolmNewton]

 

[AEA18]

He's trying to kill those kids and troops >:

One would think that all these patriotic supporters of the military would be outraged about this.

Let's see if they have that same reaction towards this as they did NFL players kneeling.

 

[MalcolmNewton]

I can't get on twitter right now but this is apparently Donald of Orange's latest tweet.

"Republicans should stop wasting their time on Immigration until after we elect more Senators and Congressmen/women in November," . "Dems are just playing games, have no intention of doing anything to solves this decades old problem. We can pass great legislation after the Red Wave!"

An immigration vote was supposed to happen next week but Trump just did what Trump does best.