***Official Political Discussion Thread***

[Wargames]

Always amazes me how many of y’all don’t got that clown blocked.

I hate to do it because no one can check him..... but answering him is a chore and slows down and disrupts the conversation of everyone else. Couldn't we just ban him from the thread?

 

[RustyShackleford]

1. That is unrelated to this.

2. After he said he was Bahamian not only did I say my bad, but I have since discontinued any suggestion that he is white.

To pretend like that reaction is synonymous with someone calling me white walker (and expressing they wouldn't stop) after I have expressed I'm black, repeatedly, is again disingenuous. But, as is often the case in here, stuff is more problematic from one side of the aisle than the other.

Well dacomeup is not a troll that has made ridiculous bad faith arguments for from the time he entered this thread, but you have

There is that.

You use your race as a shield to peddle nonsense arguments. Not surprising people don't respect your claims.

 

[RustyShackleford]

I'm sure they do want people to have there own healthcare....just not healthcare as good as what they currently have, because if that happens they lose bargaining power and potential membership.

When I mentioned bias it was to say that they are vested in their own interests and that dictated to them by the Union heads. Like literally they've already framed any opposition to their stance on the issue as "But but BeRnie BRoS" not anything from the official Sander's campaign but some harsh criticism from people online

And if we're talking contradictions then, I guess Trump must be a swell guy looking out for the Bernie campaign so the cream can rise to the top if he tweets about the DNC being shady towards him in one breath then reverts back to calling him a commie in the next.

If you can't see how that would sow doubt as to the sincerity of the culinary union's actions with that twitter post than idk what to yell you Rust.

First, let us establish we have no proof that they want people if worst insurance than them, that is guessing blindly. Now the goal post has moved from they not wanting to help others, to them not wanting others to have plans as good as theirs.

Second, your argument does not make economic sense; they don't lose bargaining power with M4A. It might be the opposite. It would be one less thing they need to negotiate come collective bargaining time. That is the reason other unions have historically back single-payer programs. Second, lose membership. The Union covers the major players in the Strip; if you don't want to be part of the Union, then it is the worker's loss. Positions covered by union contracts generally always pay more; why would someone go to another casino that plays less. Or lose the collective bargaining power that ensures decent wages. Every time a job moves from out of Union protection, the salaries tend to plunge. Valets are a perfect example of this. M4A is not a threat to the Union's existence.

No one mentioned anything about Bernie Bros or came close to throwing all his supporters under the bus; they said they were being harassed by Bernie supporters, which is entirely believable. No matter how much Bernie supporters in here like to handwave it, many Sanders supporters act like outright **** whenever they feel someone is slighting Bernie. There was already a situation in 2008 with a Clinton Obama situation regarding them. In 2016, the Nevada convention turned into a **** show because of ***** *** Sanders supporters. Nevada is a state where politics tend to get very heat. So yeah I think it is fair for them to call out buffoonery.

I brought up the conversations I had to let you know that these feelings of hesitation toward M4A have good faith, organic origins. Some people I talked to don't care because insurance is insurance as long as it is just as good, others want theirs to stay as a hedge, others been on strike and endured some violence to secure it, so they feel attachment to it, others think exemption their plan from banishment, or giving them the option is reasonable. Regular folk doesn't hold these positions because of greed. I would think there is widespread support for M4A type program among the ranks.

If you imply less that good-faith intent, then the "I got mine" argument is kinda a weak. A more believable one would be that the trust/program is probably managed, and salaries are paid out to those managers. So maybe leadership wants to protect those jobs.

Now we comparing them to Trump for a couple of bullet points on a flyer, C'mon famb. First off, your comparison doesn't even work. It would only work if Trump was shading and defending Bernie in the same Tweet.

The Culinary Union has acted in good faith toward Dems for a good minute. On balance, a bullet point does not wipe out them doing things like hosting townhalls. And if Sanders is the nominee, they will probably hit the streets to get him elected president. But god forbid they criticize him now.

You seem to want me to view this as nefarious because it reflects plays poorly on Bernie, yet have not put forward anything close to a convincing argument. But I'm the one that might be biased. So if all you have is guess and assuming the worst of people because they didn't show allegiance to the lord and savior Bernie Sanders, you don't have to tell me anything more.

When solid evidence shows up about bad faith intent, I will be happy to change my stance. But I will admit if they wanted to avoid a fracas, they should have know better.

 

[dwalk31]

You use your race as a shield to peddle nonsense arguments. Not surprising people don't respect your claims.

Not at all. My political stances are not race-dependent. But it has shaped my perspective on a number of issues discussed in here.

 

[dacomeup]

But, as is often the case in here, stuff is more problematic from one side of the aisle than the other.

Which is why only one side of the aisle is continually banned in here for racism, trolling, etc.

I’m not calling you white. I haven’t made a single reference to your race. I’m highlighting your continuing defense and support of Roy Moore, Roger Stone, Donald Trump, and support of a party that both tacitly and blatantly supports white supremacy. Like I said, hit dogs holler.

 

[RustyShackleford]

Not at all. My political stances are not race-dependent. But it has shaped my perspective on a number of issues discussed in here.

Bull****.

You are using the fact the Dem field is all white as a political attack against dacomeup

 

[dwalk31]

Bull****.

You are using the fact the Dem field is all white as a political attack against dacomeup

???

The republican field is all white too. What are you talking about?

He brought up caping for white people that’s why I said the whole dem field is white.

 

[dwalk31]

Which is why only one side of the aisle is continually banned in here for racism, trolling, etc.

I’m not calling you white. I haven’t made a single reference to your race. I’m highlighting your continuing defense and support of Roy Moore, Roger Stone, Donald Trump, and support of a party that both tacitly and blatantly supports white supremacy. Like I said, hit dogs holler.

Guess I misunderstood White Walker. Thought it was a play on my username, a race jab, and GOT.

Guess I made that up.

 

[swendro]

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Would that be the fake news CNN?

 

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Yalll are being crazy abusive towards biscuitwalk. I am not surprised given the amount of libs in this thread. Pathetic.

 

[elpablo21]

Yalll are being crazy abusive towards biscuitwalk. I am not surprised given the amount of libs in this thread. Pathetic.

Think we just got our name for the 5K coalgang fundraiser

. Let's hit up Tim Scott in the A.M. with the details aepps20

 

[dacomeup]

Guess I misunderstood White Walker. Thought it was a play on my username, a race jab, and GOT.

Guess I made that up.

It’s clearly a play on GOT and your username. I told you what the intent was. I don’t question that you’re black, but as the old adage goes, “Ya skinfolk ain’t ya kinfolk”.

 

[RustyShackleford]

Going to caucus early this Saturday. Apparently we will have to rank the candidates.

1.Lizzy Bae
2.Primetime (in case Liz is not viable)
3.Biden (now I want him to block Bloomberg)

 

[sonoftony]

 

[RustyShackleford]

Meryn Trant is probably DWalk's favorite Game of Thrones character.

 

[gry60]

The amount of praise federal prosecutors are getting from the left is remarkable.

Especially considering the historical overcharging and long sentences they request.

The particular sentence they advocated for in this case was also surprisingly high.

Ooooh shut up, please!

If you haven't noticed, the left has always been against abuse of power and miscarriage of Justice, whether they manifest themselves as prosecutors being overridden for no legitimate reason or as unfairly long sentences.

You, on the other hand, have consistently shown support for Trump, even as he is nakedly dismantling US institutions.

Non-answer on the race question as usual. But unsurprising.

The entire thread is people caping for white men/women on the left side of the aisle page after page. I missed your comment on all that caping.

Democratic primary is all white last I checked.

But it is what it is.

Where is Michael Steele, dude? Where are Condoleezza Rice, Colin Powell, AND all the other black conservatives that would give the GOP "not a racist, pro-white party" pass? You're trying to call the Democratic party a plantation while Republicans stored all the black token leadership in the storage unit (not even in the basement) as soon as Barack left? When was the last time we saw prominent black conservative candidates at the state level? Get a clue.

 

[gry60]

Always amazes me how many of y’all don’t got that clown blocked.

He just needs to post more links that undermine his position.

 

[gry60]

I hate to do it because no one can check him..... but answering him is a chore and slows down and disrupts the conversation of everyone else. Couldn't we just ban him from the thread?

I believe there is value in examining cow manure.

 

[lightweight champion]

I believe there is value in examining cow manure.

Coal powered cow manure?

 

[IATT]

2. After he said he was Bahamian not only did I say my bad, but I have since discontinued any suggestion that he is white.

1) actually, I had long ago said I was Bahamian specifically to you because I believe you said something stupid along the lines of “he’s your president too” or something of that nature

to which I pointed out my country doesn’t have ‘a president’

2) not all Bahamians are black, again

 

[dwalk31]

1) actually, I had long ago said I was Bahamian specifically to you because I believe you said something stupid along the lines of “he’s your president too” or something of that nature

to which I pointed out my country doesn’t have ‘a president’

2) not all Bahamians are black, again

The point is that I didn’t remember that and once reminded I stopped. And didn’t suggest I’d call you whatever I want.

Also, you keep saying all Bahamians aren’t black, so I’m confused. Do you identify as black or not?

And if you haven’t said whether you identify one way or the other then RustyShackleford ’s whole point was bs.

 

[junglejim]

The point is that I didn’t remember that and once reminded I stopped. And didn’t suggest I’d call you whatever I want.

Also, you keep saying all Bahamians aren’t black, so I’m confused. Do you identify as black or not?

And if you haven’t said whether you identify one way or the other then RustyShackleford ’s whole point was bs.

He has clearly said multiple times he is black......he is correcting your assertion of assuming someone is black because they are from the Bahamas.

 

[dwalk31]

He has clearly said multiple times he is black......

I don’t memorize everybody’s race.

Like I said, now that I know I won’t suggest he’s white or anything else. And I even said my bad to him after it was highlighted.

That is very different that continually suggesting I’m white despite me saying that I’m black.

I’m sure you would recognize the difference if it was coming from the other side of the aisle.

 

[junglejim]

Also, you keep saying all Bahamians aren’t black, so I’m confused. Do you identify as black or not?

This is stopping after he has told you multiple times? Got it

 

[dwalk31]

This is stopping after he has told you multiple times? Got it

It is. He said all Bahamians aren’t black so it was confusing to me. He didn’t say I’m black. You’ve said it. And I have no issue with that.

The point is, he’s not white. And that’s what I said my bad for suggesting.

But you can pretend like I’m doing something else if it makes you feel better.