***Official Political Discussion Thread***

[ninjahood]

obviously da narrator eluded to da fact that fema did a isshy job on katrina and mit said he would want da states to have more control of what they wanna do.

and NONE of you seem to bring up da fact that we're spending more then we take in.

YOU seem to forget that cutting taxes doesn't create revenue

da biggest tax revenue windfalls records were set when rates were cut.

 

[essential1]

Just did some simulations.. (I.e. Messing with the map)

Romney could win... OH, VA, FL, NC..

And still lose 272-266...

That's not optimal for Romney


With 8 states as battlegrounds (NH, VA, FL, OH, WI, IA, NV, CO)

Obama 237- 206

Romney would have to win 7 of 8 if he loses Florida..

RCP no toss up (so using all state poll averages) Obama is winning in 7 of 8 of the swing states.

 

[ccastro02]

da way you're talking you're acting as if da US gets its electricity from da majority of somewhere else.

like i said, coal is gonna be burned, its either gonna get done here, or sold overseas and burned there.

Please ninjahood, stop talking like a redneck. You know very little to nothing about energy consumption. You only know what they tell you in newspapers and on blogs. Study it for 5 years and than you can tell me what the country can benefit from as far as energy and policy. You know very little about how coal is burned to produce electricity, you also know very little about it's economic and environmental viability. Had you have studied electrical engineering and you chose to pursue coal as your thesis, you're professor probably would've dropped you from the curriculum.

You're from NYC, if anyone should know about the negative affects of coal it should be you. Ever seen photos of the nyc skyine from the 20's and 30's. Ever notice the smug? You know what that was a result of? Do you know how expensive it was to clean the air? Do you know how expensive it was for insurance companies to cover all those people who had lung problems in nyc? Do you know how many people died from respiratory or lung related issues as a result of the smug?

Coal is more valuable sold elsewhere. While the face value of coal may be attractive, maintenance and it's negative affect on the environment makes it ridiculously expensive. With all variables considered the u.s would proposer more if it sold it's coal as a oppose to consuming it. Let it be burned over there.

Ninjahood, just stop. Please, just stop. You're smarter than this. Why are you dumbing down?

 

[futuremd]

da way you're talking you're acting as if da US gets its electricity from da majority of somewhere else.

like i said, coal is gonna be burned, its either gonna get done here, or sold overseas and burned there.

Please ninjahood, stop talking like a redneck. You know very little to nothing about energy consumption. You only know what they tell you in newspapers and on blogs. Study it for 5 years and than you can tell me what the country can benefit from as far as energy and policy. You know very little about how coal is burned to produce electricity, you also know very little about it's economic and environmental viability. Had you have studied electrical engineering and you chose to pursue coal as your thesis, you're professor probably would've dropped you from the curriculum.

You're from NYC, if anyone should know about the negative affects of coal it should be you. Ever seen photos of the nyc skyine from the 20's and 30's. Ever notice the smug? You know what that was a result of? Do you know how expensive it was to clean the air? Do you know how expensive it was for insurance companies to cover all those people who had lung problems in nyc? Do you know how many people died from respiratory or lung related issues as a result of the smug?

Coal is more valuable sold elsewhere. While the face value of coal may be attractive, maintenance and it's negative affect on the environment makes it ridiculously expensive. With all variables considered the u.s would proposer more if it sold it's coal as a oppose to consuming it. Let it be burned over there.

Ninjahood, just stop. Please, just stop. You're smarter than this. Why are you dumbing down?

 

[wicked kickz]

I haven't read much in this post, just the last page. but if y'all are still arguing about which oppressor will be best, y'all need to start thinking outside the box. we need a social revolution. and it's never been through the ballot box.

can anyone name me 5 things voting has done?

every substantial gain the working class has gotten in this country has been through militant struggle, fought for and DIED for on the streets. the 8 hour work day, 40 hour week, child labor laws, paid vacations, weekends off you can thank the revolutionary socialists and communists organizing through the IWW and other organized labor in the 20's and 30's.

the civil rights act and all concessions won during the 60s was due to the civil rights movement. Malcolm X and Martin paid the ultimate price..their lives. Free breakfast programs.. to undermine the Black Panther/Power movement in the late 60's and early 70s.

the abolition of slavery wasn't voted in, neither was woman suffrage. there was a MOVEMENT and people MOVING in the community. screw this duopoly. we need something tangible!

if y'all are in NYC, hit me up. i'm a member of RSCC (Revolutionary Student Coordinating Committee) and we looking to take over the whole CUNY system, one campus at a time.

"I do the recruiting, I tutor the students
I nurture they brain, I'm moving the movement"

 

[futuremd]

I haven't read much in this post, just the last page. but if y'all are still arguing about which oppressor will be best, y'all need to start thinking outside the box. we need a social revolution. and it's never been through the ballot box.

can anyone name me 5 things voting has done?

every substantial gain the working class has gotten in this country has been through militant struggle, fought for and DIED for on the streets. the 8 hour work day, 40 hour week, child labor laws, paid vacations, weekends off you can thank the revolutionary socialists and communists organizing through the IWW and other organized labor in the 20's and 30's.

the civil rights act and all concessions won during the 60s was due to the civil rights movement. Malcolm X and Martin paid the ultimate price..their lives. Free breakfast programs.. to undermine the Black Panther/Power movement in the late 60's and early 70s.

the abolition of slavery wasn't voted in, neither was woman suffrage. there was a MOVEMENT and people MOVING in the community. screw this duopoly. we need something tangible!

if y'all are in NYC, hit me up. i'm a member of RSCC (Revolutionary Student Coordinating Committee) and we looking to take over the whole CUNY system, one campus at a time.

"I do the recruiting, I tutor the students
I nurture they brain, I'm moving the movement"

If you don't care about the national candidates, vote for your local ballots and measures at the VERY least. 

 

[wicked kickz]

3 parts. i suggest everyone pay attention.

 

[wicked kickz]

If you don't care about the national candidates, vote for your local ballots and measures at the VERY least. 

I agree. that's about as far reaching we can start from. a grassroots movement for local officials seems to be the most immediate attainable goal we can strive for. even those conduits are scare. my people in the BX are organizing some sort of control in their local councils.

 

[futuremd]

Amy Goodman? Oh, you already know then. 

 

[wicked kickz]

this is what Democracy looks like. bunch of Dominicans in the street in '65 to meet the US invaders!

peep comandante caamano on the left.

 

[wicked kickz]

for those who might not want to sit through intellectual jargon via the Amy Goodman show I posted y'all can still get the message through my favorite medium: Hip-Hop!

 

[True Blues]

Anyone else catch this re: Romney's Jeep-Ohio lie?

So it’s worth taking a look at how the battle over Mitt Romney’s latest falsehood — that the auto bailout will result in American Jeep jobs getting shipped to China — is playing in the Ohio media, since this claim represents Romney’s last chance to turn things around in the state.

Here’s the headline in today’s Toledo Blade:

Clinton, Biden call Jeep ad deceptive
Another in the Toledo Blade:

Obama campaign accuses Romney of dishonesty on Jeep issue
The Blade has been covering this story pretty aggressively, noting that Romney — who now claims Obama followed his approach on the auto-bailout — previously derided the rescue effort as “crony capitalism.”

The Cleveland Plain Dealer, meanwhile, published a scorching editorial with this headline:

Flailing in Ohio, Romney rolls out Jeep ploy
The editorial flatly noted that Romney is now trying to sow “confusion” among Ohioans, to obscure his opposition to a policy that has helped save an industry linked to one in eight Ohio jobs. “It won’t work,” it concluded. “Ohio voters know who stepped up when the auto industry was at the abyss — and it wasn’t Romney.”

And the Columbus Dispatch has been running with headlines like: “Jeep/Romney question lingers.” The Dispatch extensively fact-checked Romney’s claims about the auto-bailout, clearly demonstrating that he did in fact oppose the rescue of the industry Obama ended up pursuing.

This is hardly a comprehensive look at the local coverage, but it does suggest the possibility that Romney’s Jeep-to-China gamble may be backfiring. Polls have shown that large numbers of Ohioans don’t think Romney cares about their needs and problems. And the Obama campaign views the auto bailout, and Romney’s dishonesty about it, as central to their closing case against Romney’s character, integrity, and true priorities. So these are exactly the headlines the Obama team wants.

* Romney’s Jeep-to-China lie scared workers: Check out this nugget in the New York Times overview of the escalating battle over Romney’s falsehood:

Bruce Baumhower, the president of the United Auto Workers local that oversees the major Jeep plant here, said Mr. Romney’s initial comments on moving production to China drew a rash of calls from members concerned about their jobs. When he informed them Chrysler was, in fact, is expanding its Jeep operation here, he said in an interview, “The response has been, ‘That’s pretty pitiful.’ ”
Amazing. It isn’t just that Romney is willing to lie brazenly to the people whose votes he wants; he’s also willing to play directly on their fears for their livelihoods.

* Romney’s auto-bailout ad takes a beating: Glenn Kessler thoroughly dismantles Romney’s new ad claiming the auto-bailout will result in American Jeep jobs getting shipped to China. A Romney spokesperson defended the assertion this way:

“The larger point that the governor made is that rather than creating jobs here, the foreign owner, handpicked by President Obama, is planning to add jobs overseas.”
Just wow. As Kessler notes, production is being planned in China to serve the Chinese market. And not only that, Chrysler is in fact adding Jeep production in the U.S.

 

[denni5themenace]

Anyone else catch this re: Romney's Jeep-Ohio lie?

just saw the article on yahoo. dude is STILL running the ad, spewing lies.

as long as there's people like Jay02 in the US, the tactic of constant flip flopping and blatant lies will sway voters in his favor.

 

[wicked kickz]

y'all can argue back and forth about candidates flip flopping. the truth is, they will both continue the MASS INCARCERATION of black and brown folks within the United Snakes and they will both continue to plunder third world countries for their resources and drone strike families, killing women and children.

like are we seriously talking about battle ground states and the polls and statistics that manifest themselves over it?

 

[ninjahood]

da way you're talking you're acting as if da US gets its electricity from da majority of somewhere else.

like i said, coal is gonna be burned, its either gonna get done here, or sold overseas and burned there.

Please ninjahood, stop talking like a redneck. You know very little to nothing about energy consumption. You only know what they tell you in newspapers and on blogs. Study it for 5 years and than you can tell me what the country can benefit from as far as energy and policy. You know very little about how coal is burned to produce electricity, you also know very little about it's economic and environmental viability. Had you have studied electrical engineering and you chose to pursue coal as your thesis, you're professor probably would've dropped you from the curriculum.

You're from NYC, if anyone should know about the negative affects of coal it should be you. Ever seen photos of the nyc skyine from the 20's and 30's. Ever notice the smug? You know what that was a result of? Do you know how expensive it was to clean the air? Do you know how expensive it was for insurance companies to cover all those people who had lung problems in nyc? Do you know how many people died from respiratory or lung related issues as a result of the smug?

Coal is more valuable sold elsewhere. While the face value of coal may be attractive, maintenance and it's negative affect on the environment makes it ridiculously expensive. With all variables considered the u.s would proposer more if it sold it's coal as a oppose to consuming it. Let it be burned over there.

Ninjahood, just stop. Please, just stop. You're smarter than this. Why are you dumbing down?

Umm they STILL burn coal at da public school next to my house b, in 2012..coal isnt going anywhere

Da fantasy that da far left has with ending coal production is hilarious & hypocritical... u dont want us to touch it, bit you dont

Mind if china buy it & burns it however they want regardless of da fact we share da same earth.

Same goes with precious materials that goes into making these battery operated cars obama & his agenda is legislating..

Meanwhile da stuff to create those batteries are all monopolized in china and da way you get it is harmful for their environment

BUt hey, as long as we dont see it, outta sight outta mind ehh?

 

[wicked kickz]

lol. since we're on the topic of flip-flopping.

by the way, can anyone please name me 5 things voting has done for us in the past 100 years? I mean, there's an 84 page topic on NT about which oppressor..i mean candidate can do us in better?

 

[crcballer55]

Anyone else catch this re: Romney's Jeep-Ohio lie?

So it’s worth taking a look at how the battle over Mitt Romney’s latest falsehood — that the auto bailout will result in American Jeep jobs getting shipped to China — is playing in the Ohio media, since this claim represents Romney’s last chance to turn things around in the state.

Here’s the headline in today’s Toledo Blade:

Clinton, Biden call Jeep ad deceptive
Another in the Toledo Blade:

Obama campaign accuses Romney of dishonesty on Jeep issue
The Blade has been covering this story pretty aggressively, noting that Romney — who now claims Obama followed his approach on the auto-bailout — previously derided the rescue effort as “crony capitalism.”

The Cleveland Plain Dealer, meanwhile, published a scorching editorial with this headline:

Flailing in Ohio, Romney rolls out Jeep ploy
The editorial flatly noted that Romney is now trying to sow “confusion” among Ohioans, to obscure his opposition to a policy that has helped save an industry linked to one in eight Ohio jobs. “It won’t work,” it concluded. “Ohio voters know who stepped up when the auto industry was at the abyss — and it wasn’t Romney.”

And the Columbus Dispatch has been running with headlines like: “Jeep/Romney question lingers.” The Dispatch extensively fact-checked Romney’s claims about the auto-bailout, clearly demonstrating that he did in fact oppose the rescue of the industry Obama ended up pursuing.

This is hardly a comprehensive look at the local coverage, but it does suggest the possibility that Romney’s Jeep-to-China gamble may be backfiring. Polls have shown that large numbers of Ohioans don’t think Romney cares about their needs and problems. And the Obama campaign views the auto bailout, and Romney’s dishonesty about it, as central to their closing case against Romney’s character, integrity, and true priorities. So these are exactly the headlines the Obama team wants.

* Romney’s Jeep-to-China lie scared workers: Check out this nugget in the New York Times overview of the escalating battle over Romney’s falsehood:

Bruce Baumhower, the president of the United Auto Workers local that oversees the major Jeep plant here, said Mr. Romney’s initial comments on moving production to China drew a rash of calls from members concerned about their jobs. When he informed them Chrysler was, in fact, is expanding its Jeep operation here, he said in an interview, “The response has been, ‘That’s pretty pitiful.’ ”
Amazing. It isn’t just that Romney is willing to lie brazenly to the people whose votes he wants; he’s also willing to play directly on their fears for their livelihoods.

* Romney’s auto-bailout ad takes a beating: Glenn Kessler thoroughly dismantles Romney’s new ad claiming the auto-bailout will result in American Jeep jobs getting shipped to China. A Romney spokesperson defended the assertion this way:

“The larger point that the governor made is that rather than creating jobs here, the foreign owner, handpicked by President Obama, is planning to add jobs overseas.”
Just wow. As Kessler notes, production is being planned in China to serve the Chinese market. And not only that, Chrysler is in fact adding Jeep production in the U.S.

Interesting. I'm reading between the lines a little bit, but it sounds like Jeep production domestically will either be stagnant or declining within the next few years and may even be transferred to Fiat plants in Italy according to this article in the Detroit Free Press from today.

CEO Sergio Marchionne laid out a plan today for Fiat to retool its Italian plants and export new models instead of closing additional plants ito reverse ongoing losses in its home market.

The plan calls for production of 17 new car models in Italy from 2013 to 2016.
Most of those vehicles will be for the Jeep, Alfa Romeo and Maserati brands.

Marchionne told investors he wants to concentrate on those models because their brand heritage will enable Fiat to sell them in new markets and make a profit on them.

The plan is aimed at reducing Fiat’s dependence on small cars and using more of its productive capacity in Italy where its factories are making less than half the cars they are equipped to build.

If successful, Fiat will be able to keep its five Italian plants operating despite the lowest industry sales volume in Italy since the late 1970s.

Marchionne, who turned around Fiat inearly a decade ago and led Chrysler’s restructuring over the last four years, said the combined Chrysler and Fiat must embark on one more restructuring plan.

"“This is truly not for the faint hearted. We have not shied away from a fight going back to 2004,” Marchionne said. “I think we have to do it one more time, and I think we have to do it …in a way that provides a permanent solution to (the European) quandary.”

Under the plan, Fiat will produce a small Jeep SUV in Italy that is not currently made anywhere else in the world. That SUV will be sold both in Europe and in the U.S., and will not shift any planned U.S. production.

Last week Chrysler came under fire from Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney for contemplating the production of Jeeps in China.

Marchionne also denied reports that he tried to broker a three-way merger earlier this year between Fiat, PSA Peugeot Citroen and General Motors’ Opel unit.

The last time Marchionne he had conversations with General Motors about buying Opel was in 2008 and 2009, Marchionne said.

“We have not had conversations since,” he said.

Fiat also lowered his previous goal for Fiat and Chrysler to produce 6 million cars combined by 2014 to 4.6 million to 4.8 million a year. Fiat expects to produce 4.2 million cars this year.

 

[futuremd]

Anyone else catch this re: Romney's Jeep-Ohio lie?

So it’s worth taking a look at how the battle over Mitt Romney’s latest falsehood — that the auto bailout will result in American Jeep jobs getting shipped to China — is playing in the Ohio media, since this claim represents Romney’s last chance to turn things around in the state.

Here’s the headline in today’s Toledo Blade:

Clinton, Biden call Jeep ad deceptive
Another in the Toledo Blade:

Obama campaign accuses Romney of dishonesty on Jeep issue
The Blade has been covering this story pretty aggressively, noting that Romney — who now claims Obama followed his approach on the auto-bailout — previously derided the rescue effort as “crony capitalism.”

The Cleveland Plain Dealer, meanwhile, published a scorching editorial with this headline:

Flailing in Ohio, Romney rolls out Jeep ploy
The editorial flatly noted that Romney is now trying to sow “confusion” among Ohioans, to obscure his opposition to a policy that has helped save an industry linked to one in eight Ohio jobs. “It won’t work,” it concluded. “Ohio voters know who stepped up when the auto industry was at the abyss — and it wasn’t Romney.”

And the Columbus Dispatch has been running with headlines like: “Jeep/Romney question lingers.” The Dispatch extensively fact-checked Romney’s claims about the auto-bailout, clearly demonstrating that he did in fact oppose the rescue of the industry Obama ended up pursuing.

This is hardly a comprehensive look at the local coverage, but it does suggest the possibility that Romney’s Jeep-to-China gamble may be backfiring. Polls have shown that large numbers of Ohioans don’t think Romney cares about their needs and problems. And the Obama campaign views the auto bailout, and Romney’s dishonesty about it, as central to their closing case against Romney’s character, integrity, and true priorities. So these are exactly the headlines the Obama team wants.

* Romney’s Jeep-to-China lie scared workers: Check out this nugget in the New York Times overview of the escalating battle over Romney’s falsehood:

Bruce Baumhower, the president of the United Auto Workers local that oversees the major Jeep plant here, said Mr. Romney’s initial comments on moving production to China drew a rash of calls from members concerned about their jobs. When he informed them Chrysler was, in fact, is expanding its Jeep operation here, he said in an interview, “The response has been, ‘That’s pretty pitiful.’ ”
Amazing. It isn’t just that Romney is willing to lie brazenly to the people whose votes he wants; he’s also willing to play directly on their fears for their livelihoods.

* Romney’s auto-bailout ad takes a beating: Glenn Kessler thoroughly dismantles Romney’s new ad claiming the auto-bailout will result in American Jeep jobs getting shipped to China. A Romney spokesperson defended the assertion this way:

“The larger point that the governor made is that rather than creating jobs here, the foreign owner, handpicked by President Obama, is planning to add jobs overseas.”
Just wow. As Kessler notes, production is being planned in China to serve the Chinese market. And not only that, Chrysler is in fact adding Jeep production in the U.S.

Interesting. I'm reading between the lines a little bit, but it sounds like Jeep production domestically will either be stagnant or declining within the next few years and may even be transferred to Fiat plants in Italy according to this article in the Detroit Free Press from today.

CEO Sergio Marchionne laid out a plan today for Fiat to retool its Italian plants and export new models instead of closing additional plants ito reverse ongoing losses in its home market.

The plan calls for production of 17 new car models in Italy from 2013 to 2016.
Most of those vehicles will be for the Jeep, Alfa Romeo and Maserati brands.

Marchionne told investors he wants to concentrate on those models because their brand heritage will enable Fiat to sell them in new markets and make a profit on them.

The plan is aimed at reducing Fiat’s dependence on small cars and using more of its productive capacity in Italy where its factories are making less than half the cars they are equipped to build.

If successful, Fiat will be able to keep its five Italian plants operating despite the lowest industry sales volume in Italy since the late 1970s.

Marchionne, who turned around Fiat inearly a decade ago and led Chrysler’s restructuring over the last four years, said the combined Chrysler and Fiat must embark on one more restructuring plan.

"“This is truly not for the faint hearted. We have not shied away from a fight going back to 2004,” Marchionne said. “I think we have to do it one more time, and I think we have to do it …in a way that provides a permanent solution to (the European) quandary.”

Under the plan, Fiat will produce a small Jeep SUV in Italy that is not currently made anywhere else in the world. That SUV will be sold both in Europe and in the U.S., and will not shift any planned U.S. production.

Last week Chrysler came under fire from Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney for contemplating the production of Jeeps in China.

Marchionne also denied reports that he tried to broker a three-way merger earlier this year between Fiat, PSA Peugeot Citroen and General Motors’ Opel unit.

The last time Marchionne he had conversations with General Motors about buying Opel was in 2008 and 2009, Marchionne said.

“We have not had conversations since,” he said.

Fiat also lowered his previous goal for Fiat and Chrysler to produce 6 million cars combined by 2014 to 4.6 million to 4.8 million a year. Fiat expects to produce 4.2 million cars this year.

They're not transferring.

Jeep is merely expanding, but they're not ceasing operations in the USA.

 

[True Blues]

y'all can argue back and forth about candidates flip flopping. the truth is, they will both continue the MASS INCARCERATION of black and brown folks within the United Snakes and they will both continue to plunder third world countries for their resources and drone strike families, killing women and children.

like are we seriously talking about battle ground states and the polls and statistics that manifest themselves over it?

I agree, those are all problems, and they deserve discussion. So make a separate thread.

Electoral politics and, more broadly, political behaviour are interesting subjects in their own right. I don't think that simply because there are other issues in the world that they should be deemed any less important within the discipline of political science.

 

[wicked kickz]

already ahead of you. have made a different thread.

but just to be on topic, I don't understand why we as the people are still putting faith in these corporate backed goons. lobbyists and other business interests are paying for their campaign, and hence their opportunity of being elected. these figures are in the hundreds of thousands and add up to millions.

WE are not their constituency. when they get elected, do you think they'll care about us? I mean they will have to eventually because when people get organized, it's always trouble for the ruling class. BUT, who do you think they'll be attending to first? the issues of poverty and the people OR will it be the CEO's and Top Executives financing the super PACs?

sorry to say, these CEOs and Top Executives are part of another tax bracket, what the media has called the 1%. and well, THEIR interests aren't OUR interests.

 

[sneakaholic4life]

listen Romney is a flip floppin liar, he will not and cannot mathematically do what he said he would. IF he had any consideration for us, he would tell us how he'll cut taxes 20% across the board which loses 5 trillion in revenue, add 2 trillion in unneeded defense spending, lose another trillion in Bush Tax cuts, and still reduce the deficit. Tales of ducks is all this guy speaks

 

[crcballer55]

CEO Sergio Marchionne laid out a plan today for Fiat to retool its Italian plants and export new models instead of closing additional plants to reverse ongoing losses in its home market.

The plan calls for production of 17 new car models in Italy from 2013 to 2016.
Most of those vehicles will be for the Jeep, Alfa Romeo and Maserati brands.

Marchionne told investors he wants to concentrate on those models because their brand heritage will enable Fiat to sell them in new markets and make a profit on them.

The plan is aimed at reducing Fiat’s dependence on small cars and using more of its productive capacity in Italy where its factories are making less than half the cars they are equipped to build.

If successful, Fiat will be able to keep its five Italian plants operating despite the lowest industry sales volume in Italy since the late 1970s.

Marchionne, who turned around Fiat inearly a decade ago and led Chrysler’s restructuring over the last four years, said the combined Chrysler and Fiat must embark on one more restructuring plan.

"“This is truly not for the faint hearted. We have not shied away from a fight going back to 2004,” Marchionne said. “I think we have to do it one more time, and I think we have to do it …in a way that provides a permanent solution to (the European) quandary.”

Under the plan, Fiat will produce a small Jeep SUV in Italy that is not currently made anywhere else in the world. That SUV will be sold both in Europe and in the U.S., and will not shift any planned U.S. production.

Last week Chrysler came under fire from Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney for contemplating the production of Jeeps in China.

Marchionne also denied reports that he tried to broker a three-way merger earlier this year between Fiat, PSA Peugeot Citroen and General Motors’ Opel unit.

The last time Marchionne he had conversations with General Motors about buying Opel was in 2008 and 2009, Marchionne said.

“We have not had conversations since,” he said.

Fiat also lowered his previous goal for Fiat and Chrysler to produce 6 million cars combined by 2014 to 4.6 million to 4.8 million a year. Fiat expects to produce 4.2 million cars this year.

They're not transferring.

Jeep is merely expanding, but they're not ceasing operations in the USA.

CEO Sergio Marchionne laid out a plan today for Fiat to retool its Italian plants and export new models instead of closing additional plants to reverse ongoing losses in its home market.

The plan calls for production of 17 new car models in Italy from 2013 to 2016.

If successful, Fiat will be able to keep its five Italian plants operating despite the lowest industry sales volume in Italy since the late 1970s.

Marchionne, who turned around Fiat inearly a decade ago and led Chrysler’s restructuring over the last four years, said the combined Chrysler and Fiat must embark on one more restructuring plan.

Fiat also lowered his previous goal for Fiat and Chrysler to produce 6 million cars combined by 2014 to 4.6 million to 4.8 million a year. Fiat expects to produce 4.2 million cars this year.

No, they're not ceasing, but when you say that domestic sales are decreasing and follow that with restructuring and decreased production while "expanding" models, it's not looking good for Chrysler auto workers. This as a manufacturer that specialized in small, luxury, & sports cars that bought a perpetually troubled domestic manufacturer. While the talk may sound good, I don't see how they're going to continue at the current capacity for more than 10 years.

 

[ccastro02]

Umm they STILL burn coal at da public school next to my house b, in 2012..coal isnt going anywhere
Da fantasy that da far left has with ending coal production is hilarious & hypocritical... u dont want us to touch it, bit you dont
Mind if china buy it & burns it however they want regardless of da fact we share da same earth.
Same goes with precious materials that goes into making these battery operated cars obama & his agenda is legislating..
Meanwhile da stuff to create those batteries are all monopolized in china and da way you get it is harmful for their environment
BUt hey, as long as we dont see it, outta sight outta mind ehh?

Ugh, i really hate debating with people that don't know nothing about energy. Again you're giving me newspaper and blog gibberish.

Though HIGHLY unlikely, it's interesting how you see nothing wrong with that in 2012. All those turn of the century buildings in the city have an "antique" coal burner". Most of which aren't in use. Unless of course you can link up your statement.

Ending coal production is like developing clean coal; Hilarious and hypocritical. Who's talking about ending coal production??? Where the far left and nutbag republicans differ is republicans want to increase the harvesting of coal. Liberals know better, and ARE investigating other means of energy so we can MINIMIZE the consumption of coal.

I really don't care if they buy it all. I'de prefer they continue to buy from us. Use that money on other sources of energy. We can finally become a nation of innovation and became once again, the most technological advanced country in the world. The depletion of coal and oil is inevitable. Within the next 100 years there will be very little oil and coal on earth even if we drilled in north america. As the saying goes the more money you have the more you're likely to spend it, thus you never have enough. Same applies to oil and coal.

You're discussing batteries now??? You've just sunk beneath contempt, and proved you have nothing productive to say.

 

[ninjahood]

Lol @ u, claiming im lying..go google my statement and see where i copied & pasted

Any of that rhetoric.

NYC is one of da oldest cities on da US, OF COURSE there's a ton of buildings that still burn coal.

And i love how your dodging what im saying, da coal is going to get burned REGARDLESS.. now

Would you rather pay MORE for da energy or LESS for it cuz da environmental effects will ne da same.

 

[ccastro02]

I love how ninjahood, like most other republicans pretend to know everything there is about everything based on a couple of articles they've read and a few minutes on wikipedia. You do know there are people who's profession is based on the topics of which you're debating. I mean there's nothing wrong with you debating energy and energy policy with me, but if you're going to come at me come correct. Come knowledgable. I'm an engineer, speak in numbers and studies. You're not going to win this ninjahood, you're just not knowledgable enough to speak on energy policies. Stick to economics and foreign policy, something i willingly admit i know nothing about. But energy?? Like i said, had you mentioned coal to any of my professor's they would've asked you to drop. Engineering is a progressive academic. We don't resort to coal and oil to solve issues. We don't use old technology to solve technological issues of the future.