***Official Political Discussion Thread***

[Belgium]

Called it yesterday, guilty plea by Kevin Clinesmith. Would've been ludicrous for him to not cop a plea so this was really the only option.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/14/us/politics/kevin-clinesmith-durham-investigation.html
Ex-F.B.I. Lawyer Expected to Plead Guilty in Durham Investigation
Prosecutors are not expected to reveal any evidence of a broad anti-Trump conspiracy among law enforcement officials.

 

[shibadekobe]

 

[junglejim]

So this is helicopter money ehhhh?

 

[plansb]

Polling spot right around the corner from the crib. Will be doing this and spreading the word. Thanks.

Just to be clear, I do not know if this is the same in other counties or states (I am chester county Pennsylvania). I would check with your local election office. Wouldn’t want people showing up to do this and be told they cannot.

 

[Rootin4EverybodyBlack]

Personally I'll put on a Hazmat suit and wait in line for 6 hrs if I have to. I'm not mailing in my ballot.

 

[Based Jesus]

Personally I'll put on a Hazmat suit and wait in line for 6 hrs if I have to. I'm not mailing in my ballot.

My polling place is 2 blocks away. I plan to be on line before it opens.

 

[RustyShackleford]

So this is helicopter money ehhhh?

Nah, he is just whining about the fiscal stimulus again. Trying to blame the Dems from walking away from the deal when it was them.

 

[IATT]

 

[aepps20]

I think the USPS thing is pretty serious but the attention this is getting will help. We need to inform everyone that this is happening and tell them how to act accordingly. Vote in person, drop of ballot in person, vote early so your vote is counted. I don't know if anyone remembers but the Republicans tried the same thing in Wisconsin and people voted in person and we got the win.I believe people will do whatever it takes to vote this time. Even if it means putting their health on the line.

 

[Upptempo]

American politicians are all p words if nobody steps in and stops this USPS insanity. If they sit back and allow this moron to dismantle something as important as the post office, they're all trash regardless of political party.

 

[Deleted member 42060]

Sad that the sides couldn't come together to get help for individuals in need during this difficult time.

You know which "side" couldn't come together. It's a shame.

 

[RustyShackleford]

They are worried about that Senate seat.

Election theft, right in front of us.

 

[IATT]

 

[Vincent Van Goat]

May I have a list of pods I should subscribe to?

 

[plansb]

They are worried about that Senate seat.

Election theft, right in front of us.

Im willing to overlook this if i get a tax cut and 1000$ for my stockx business.

 

[uncalled4boy]

For the Bernie folk

This Is What Shawn Carter Meant When He Said

“...Live Long Enough To See Yourself Become The Villian”

 

[moonman818]

American politicians are all p words if nobody steps in and stops this USPS insanity. If they sit back and allow this moron to dismantle something as important as the post office, they're all trash regardless of political party.

I'm starting to feel this way myself man. The news media also do the citizens a disservice by reporting the buffoonery with kid gloves on

 

[wr]

Do we still not acknowledge that the popular vote is largely symbolic?

 

[RustyShackleford]

Do we still not acknowledge that the popular vote is largely symbolic?

Are you asking if people know the electoral college exist.

Yes, yes we do.

 

[wr]

Are you asking if people know the electoral college exist.

Yes, yes we do.

So why so much smoke for how people vote if it really doesn't matter? Shouldn't all the smoke be fore reforming that system that turns our political process into a dog an pony show? Doesn't that make all the campaigning and empty promises on both part sides a big joke we all get amnesia over and participate in every 4 years?. I know you know, but majority of voting Americans really aren't aware of this and it is bad to assume they do just because they should know.

 

[had pants]

 

[obeahmyal7]

So why so much smoke for how people vote if it really doesn't matter? Shouldn't all the smoke be fore reforming that system that turns our political process into a dog an pony show? Doesn't that make all the campaigning and empty promises on both part sides a big joke we all get amnesia over and participate in every 4 years?. I know you know, but majority of voting Americans really aren't aware of this and it is bad to assume they do just because they should know.

Is this a recent revelation for you, because if not, what institutions have you been part of, and/or helping to build, to change the situation?

If you haven't been doing that work, systematically and consistently, don't give me this rant about the smoke and the system. Contrary to what you think, a majority of voting Americans do recognize the inequalities of the system. But like adults, and in the face of an existential threat, we're rallying so that we have an inkling of a chance to transform politics.

 

[had pants]

 

[Nike Jordan]

This Is What Shawn Carter Meant When He Said

“...Live Long Enough To See Yourself Become The Villian”

I'm pretty sure that was Harvey Dent who said that.

 

[RustyShackleford]

So why so much smoke for how people vote if it really doesn't matter? Shouldn't all the smoke be fore reforming that system that turns our political process into a dog an pony show? Doesn't that make all the campaigning and empty promises on both part sides a big joke we all get amnesia over and participate in every 4 years?. I know you know, but majority of voting Americans really aren't aware of this and it is bad to assume they do just because they should know.

People's votes matter. First off, where you not the same person last night that said you were not stay home because there are other things on the ballot? So if people's ballots are not delivered that means House races will be impacted, Senate races, State level races, Sheriff, judges, ballot measures, etc. So putting the presidential race aside, there is still tons of ways that popular vote on the state and local level counts. And the USPS situation will distort that.

Secondly, all the electoral college does is give voters in a handful of states more power.. The popular vote represents the will of the people all things being equal, the electoral college represents a distorted system where some voters have more power than other. Most of the time, the two results align, the issue is that the GOP can't win the popular vote anymore, and the electoral college is not enough to distort it in their favor, so the employ other voter suppression methods on top of it. And statisticians show, the higher the turnout the more likely it is that the result of the popular vote and electoral college will match. The bigger the margin of victory for a candidate the more likely the electoral college and popular vote will match. That is why people want Biden to beat Trump as badly as possible, so it makes it less likely the electoral college will swing it to Trump. So that is why people care about every vote being counted, it correlates to a higher chance of a electoral college victory for Biden.

-I don't know if you read this thread before, but people in here aways raise major issues with the electoral system. About the Senate, gerrymandering, campaign finance, electoral college, etc. People all the time say it would be better if America had a parliamentary system. People post about reforms they want. Getting rid of the filibuster is actually part of the solution though. Because that is a massive roadblock to things not getting passed, way more than politicians flaking. People want other reforms, but the only way we get closer to those things is if the Dems are in power. They are the only party with people open to those reforms

-Famb with all due respect, you are kinda acting like everyone in here is someone ignorant of what is going on, and just putting blind famb in politicians. And we somehow can't handle all this realness you dropping on us. People understand the game, the understand the roadblocks, they understand the finesse, we discuss and argue about it all the time. We have done so for years. Most just understand that the best way forward still remains that Biden and the Dems need to take power for now. But no one thinks it ends with that, no one here thinks a quick fix is coming.