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No it isn't, his prime = his peak. At his peak is all we can go by. When comparing THAT peak to TMAC's peak, give me lazy eyes.
Penny Hardaway Is THE MOST Overrated Athlete In The History Of NT vol.childhoods got ruined
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Other than Rebounding, what did Penny do better than GP? I am not agreeing with the better overall statement (on the surface of things. I am not dismissing it completely).
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Penny was better than GP in damn near every aspect of the game except maybe defense.
Penny's second year stats were equal to GP's 6th season.
Please don't talk about a player being overrated and bring up GP as a comparison.
Penny's second year stats were equal to GP's 6th season.
Please don't talk about a player being overrated and bring up GP as a comparison.
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Again I still don't see what you are seeing. I am asking you to help me understand why you think Penny is the undisputed better all around player.
Shooting
Rebounding
Passing (Penny was flashier, don't let that confuse you)
Defense
Maybe someone else can chime in without the, "I shouldn't have to explain my reasoning" attitude.
Shooting
Rebounding
Passing (Penny was flashier, don't let that confuse you)
Defense
Maybe someone else can chime in without the, "I shouldn't have to explain my reasoning" attitude.
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All you have to do is look at the numbers.
Penny in his 2nd/3rd season had the same numbers as GP in his first 5/6 seasons.
GP's 6th season: 19.3 pts, 2.8 steals, 0.2 blocks, 3.21 TOs, 7.5 assts, 4.2 rebounds
AH 3rd season: 21.7 pts, 2.0 stls, 0.5 blocks, 2.79 TOs, 7.1 assists, 4.3 rebounds on 51% shooting
Compare GP's 2/3/4 years in the league and its not even close..9 - 16 pts a game, 6.2 assists in the best of those years and 3.3 rebounds.
Penny in his 2nd/3rd season had the same numbers as GP in his first 5/6 seasons.
GP's 6th season: 19.3 pts, 2.8 steals, 0.2 blocks, 3.21 TOs, 7.5 assts, 4.2 rebounds
AH 3rd season: 21.7 pts, 2.0 stls, 0.5 blocks, 2.79 TOs, 7.1 assists, 4.3 rebounds on 51% shooting
Compare GP's 2/3/4 years in the league and its not even close..9 - 16 pts a game, 6.2 assists in the best of those years and 3.3 rebounds.
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You did not answer my question. How is Penny Hardaway a better all around player than GP. The numbers you posted say nothing other than he scored more. It doesn't say how efficiently he scored. So does someone want to take a stab at it?
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He had more points, a higher field goal percentage, better 3pt shooting, better free throw percentage, more assists and less turnovers in the same amount of minutes....what more evidence of efficiency do you need?
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Potential and a few great seasons do not make him one of the best of his era. It just means that there could have been more. But there weren't. So that makes him overrated.
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Who said that he was one of the best of his era? He wasn't even 100% for the majority of his era.
Like I said people speak on his potential not his legacy, people always talk about what he could of been and his ability in his first 4 years...in that aspect his production and achievements speaks for itself.
Y'all want to strip him of everything and make it seem like people are crazy when we know what we know.
In 10 years when people talk about how great T-Mac and Brandon Roy were at their best, anti-dudes like y'all will be calling them overrated and nobodies.
Injuries are part of sports, you can't escape it...but you can't just attempt to erase peoples greatness because you didn't personally witness it.
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Nobody called Penny a nobody though. Stop exaggerating please.
People don't speak on his potential, folks "remember" Penny being better than he was for longer than he was. He was on his way but again, his shoes and hold on pop-culture blind folks. Penny was good, when he was good, but that wasn't a long time at all.
Same with Brandon Roy, to a lesser degree. T-Mac had a little more shelf-life, but injuries hurt all 3 of them.
And what is this idea of us not being old enough to remember Penny? Why do you all keep assuming that? LOL
People don't speak on his potential, folks "remember" Penny being better than he was for longer than he was. He was on his way but again, his shoes and hold on pop-culture blind folks. Penny was good, when he was good, but that wasn't a long time at all.
Same with Brandon Roy, to a lesser degree. T-Mac had a little more shelf-life, but injuries hurt all 3 of them.
And what is this idea of us not being old enough to remember Penny? Why do you all keep assuming that? LOL
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Penny was not better than The Glove, regardless of whatever stats you want to put up.
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Yes he was.
A hobbled post-injury Penny was better than GP.
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Whoa, I didn't know you thought THAT. Saying Penny was a better all around player can be argued, but to just say he was better, hmmm. Ok.
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Thats all y'all bring up as a counter argument...sneakers and marketing. There are sports journalists who could care less about that stuff and will tell you about Penny's greatness in his first 4 seasons. Nobody thinks he was great for 10 seasons, we know what it is. Maybe his pop-culture cult status skews your perception because you're on NT, where people talk about Foams, retros and Half Cents all day. NT is the Mecca of pop culture so his name is going to be mentioned to a greater degree than is his actual impact but that doesn't change what he was on the court.
Again when people talk about B. Roy and T-Mac they will be talking about what they were at their best and what they could of been. Both of them had limitless potential and were at the top of their respective games when they were 100% but you're gonna have young cats that look back and call them overrated.
Dude on the last page is talking about reading about Penny and concluding that he was overrated...that speaks to his age.
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And this is All I am speaking of man. I always say that NIKETALK overvalues Penny's career.
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You gotta separate the perception of his career from that of his merchandise.
Foams are 1 of the best sneakers in sneaker history, Penny's basketball career is not parallel to that of his footwear.
90% of the time people on NT are speaking on Penny's merchandise, not his career.
When we do speak of his career, we are talking about what was and what could have been, in that aspect ain't nothing overrated about what homie brought to the table.
Everyone knows that he didn't have a HoF career but he certainly had the potential to be a HoFer.
Foams are 1 of the best sneakers in sneaker history, Penny's basketball career is not parallel to that of his footwear.
90% of the time people on NT are speaking on Penny's merchandise, not his career.
When we do speak of his career, we are talking about what was and what could have been, in that aspect ain't nothing overrated about what homie brought to the table.
Everyone knows that he didn't have a HoF career but he certainly had the potential to be a HoFer.
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So if its just based on stats then penny>stockton.gp,nash
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How you bringing Stockton and Nash in the convo?
GP never even averaged double digit assists. Nash did 6 times (still playing) and Stockton did 10 times.
I'm talking about Penny and GP. Penny was bigger, stronger, more athletic, a better scorer from all angles, more efficient in every offensive category, and had greater overall potential. Like I showed, It took GP years to achieve the same type of output that Penny had in his couple first seasons.
GP never even averaged double digit assists. Nash did 6 times (still playing) and Stockton did 10 times.
I'm talking about Penny and GP. Penny was bigger, stronger, more athletic, a better scorer from all angles, more efficient in every offensive category, and had greater overall potential. Like I showed, It took GP years to achieve the same type of output that Penny had in his couple first seasons.
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this.
Im telling you its the sneakers and his franchise that hyped it up. I love Penny btw
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Exactly all those things you said about gp can be said about stockton.nash,gp.paul,d.will,j kidd if your going off stats athleticism and output first few seasons is why I brought it up.
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jaleel white is that you?
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Fam...you're like 40 (or older) and you've been taking the anger of your failed life out on NT'ers half your age for the last decade...lets keep this sports related and not turn it into a roast session.
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Phenomenal quote. This should end the discussion once and for all.
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But they're all different players. Stockon, Nash and Kidd are all pure PGs, their assist numbers and team management blow Penny and GP out of the water. I would never compare or lump them together. But Gary was more of a balanced guard and scorer...aWestbrook type player, so the comparison to Penny is fairer IMO.
If you were a GM and had to pick between a healthy Penny for 10 seasons or a healthy Payton for 10 seasons, who you going with?