People really think that alchoholism is a disease?

[antonlavey]

Originally Posted by Chicagos Finest 23

Weak minds looks for easy escape routes from their personal problems.

you're arguing against science and proven facts read a book.

 

[651akathepaul]

Originally Posted by Chicagos Finest 23

Weak minds looks for easy escape routes from their personal problems.

Although I think that is an element of it, I don't think it's that easy. Many alcoholics started their drinking while having minimalpersonal problems. The drinking...continuous drinking, brought along and/or magnifyed any problems they might have had.

It can be a cop out if the onset of a problem or crises brought along heavy drinking, but on the same token, if one has an inherent predisposition to drinkingheavily, then problems arise from the alcholism thus magnifying the problem into personal crises.

 

[frostythepoptart]

addiction is weak minded individuals its NOTHING. i agree 100% OP

yeah i understand people go through withdrawal and all that but still.

its ridiculous.

im addicted to sitting on chairs
im addicted to video games
im addicted to watching the sky
im addicted to the internet
im addicted to bookbags
im addicted to deodorant
what cant you say you're addicted to ** weak mindedness and no self control is a disease

 

[edwardkingjr]

Originally Posted by Dirtylicious

addiction is a disease

FACT. I understand you alls argument about cancer being an ACTUAL disease but addiction is a disease of the MIND which if im not mistaken apartof the body, so if the mind is not well then that is a disease

 

[antonlavey]

Originally Posted by frostythepoptart

addiction is weak minded individuals its NOTHING. i agree 100% OP

yeah i understand people go through withdrawal and all that but still.

its ridiculous.

im addicted to sitting on chairs
im addicted to video games
im addicted to watching the sky
im addicted to the internet
im addicted to bookbags
im addicted to deodorant
what cant you say you're addicted to ** weak mindedness and no self control is a disease

The development of addiction is thought to involve a simultaneous process of 1) increased focus on and engagement in a particular behavior and 2) theattenuation or "shutting down" of other behaviors. For example, under certain experimental circumstances such as social deprivation and boredom, animals allowed the unlimited ability to self-administer certainpsychoactive drugs will show such a strong preference that they will forgo food, sleep, and sex for continued access. The neuro-anatomical correlate of this isthat the brain regions involved in driving goal-directed behavior grow increasingly selective for particular motivating stimuli and rewards, to the point thatthe brain regions involved in the inhibition of behavior can no longer effectively send "stop" signals. A good analogy is to imagine flooring the gaspedal in a car with very bad brakes. In this case, the limbic system is thought to be the major "driving force" and the orbitofrontal cortex is thesubstrate of the top-down inhibition.

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In cases of physical dependency on depressants of the central nervous system such as opioids, barbiturates, or alcohol, the absence of the substance can lead to symptoms of severe physical discomfort. Withdrawal from alcohol orsedatives such as barbiturates or benzodiazepines(valium-family) can result in seizures and even death. By contrast, withdrawal from opioids, which can be extremely uncomfortable, is rarely if everlife-threatening. In cases of dependence and withdrawal, the body has become so dependent on high concentrations of the particular chemical that it has stoppedproducing its own natural versions (endogenous ligands) and instead produces opposing chemicals. When the addictive substance is withdrawn, the effects of theopposing chemicals can become overwhelming. For example, chronic use of sedatives (alcohol, barbiturates, or benzodiazepines) results in higher chronic levels of stimulating neurotransmitters such as glutamate. Very high levels of glutamate kill nerve cells, a phenomenon called excitatoryneurotoxicity.

 

[thugnificence]

Originally Posted by Square town 707

It is a very real disease. My pops went through rehab twice, and finally got his life back on track. During this time I went to numerous meetings for family of alcoholics.

It's not that they are weak, or don't want to stop, its not that easy. They are dependent of a chemical, just like a drug they can be addicted to it, they cant function without it.

while i do agree with you to an extent...

i steadfastly believe that if someone wants to beat their addiction, they will beat that addiction...

so i think that people who are addicts dont truly want to quit

 

[antonlavey]

And yes you can be addicted to something like videogames....neurological studies have been done on videogame addiction (Eg.World of Warcraft)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Video_game_addiction



People who are saying it's because people are "WEAK MINDED", you're correct they have have "defects and WEAKNESSES" in their brainor MIND that makes them more susceptible to addiction.

 

[capricorn1229]

People have died behind alcoholism by trying to stop drinking cold turkey. They stop drinking after years of drinking and there heart just stops. It'sreal. It's of the mind and body. It can be passed down. You can develop it over time. I mean just because some of you can't understand it and you thinkit's a cop out doesn't mean there aren't people out there who actually have the disease. Who don't understand the concept of a limit becausethey feel alive drinking. Self control is lost but it is also mental and physical. There are those are born with the gene that can be awoken by one sip.That's what makes it kind of scary. There is literature out there to educate you.

 

[size tens]

Originally Posted by Nawth21

There is a genetic component to alcohol addiction.

Alcoholism is indeed hereditary.

It is a disease, maybe not like cancer but a disease none the less.

Looking at it as someone being weak minded is just immature and ignorant

 

[josebronx]

Originally Posted by Dirtylicious

addiction is a disease

+1
just look at peoples join dates and post count

 

[antonlavey]

Originally Posted by SIZE TENS

Originally Posted by Nawth21

There is a genetic component to alcohol addiction.

Alcoholism is indeed hereditary.

It is a disease, maybe not like cancer but a disease none the less.

Looking at it as someone being weak minded is just immature and ignorant

Word, and it's not like i even sympathize with drug addicts but saying something like that without being informed is very ignorant. I seeparallels between this and the homosexuality debate. People are always looking for the simplest explanation for things....."they choose to be gay","they're weak-minded"....How the hell do you know unless you were in their shoes?

 

[whywesteppin]

iblink beat me to it... south park did an episode on this.

i'm on the fence about this. there is definitely some aspect of it that is a real addiction, and i sympathize with that part of it.

on the other hand, to limit humans... to cripple us to being slaves to addictions? surely if man can build the pyramids and land on the moon, we are capable ofpassing on some alcohol.

 

[antonlavey]

Originally Posted by JoseBronx

Originally Posted by Dirtylicious

addiction is a disease

+1
just look at peoples join dates and post count

 

[channelsicks]

I wonder how many of you can stop watching porn on command.

 

[edwardkingjr]

Originally Posted by Thugnificence

Originally Posted by Square town 707

It is a very real disease. My pops went through rehab twice, and finally got his life back on track. During this time I went to numerous meetings for family of alcoholics.

It's not that they are weak, or don't want to stop, its not that easy. They are dependent of a chemical, just like a drug they can be addicted to it, they cant function without it.

while i do agree with you to an extent...

i steadfastly believe that if someone wants to beat their addiction, they will beat that addiction...

so i think that people who are addicts dont truly want to quit

kinfolk i havent seen the definition of addict but why would an addict want to give up what they are addicted to, it makes no sense to me, analchoholic or crackhead is not about to give you they bottle or pipe just cause you say its bad for them. What pushes someone down the road to recovery is thereprocussions ex. job loss, homelessness, health issues, loss of family ect... its not the want to let go of what they are addicted to its the consequences.and EVEN if they get and stay clean they will still be addicted for the rest of their life, so that to me is a disease.

 

[fede dpt]

Some of yall are ignorant as hell.

 

[antonlavey]

Originally Posted by channelsicks

I wonder how many of you can stop watching porn on command.

Got em

 

[tsamshox]

Anton coming with the neurobiology

. I know not everybody studies neurobiology or knows how the brain works but chemical dependence is real and messes upyour neurotransmitters, etc. That is why it is so hard to quit, your body has withdrawal symptoms due to the rapid increase or decrease in neurotransmitterscaused by chemical dependence.

 

[theraygunz]

I can't even believe some of these responses. A disease is an aberrant condition of the body associated with specific symptoms. Alcoholism is a disease,not being able to stop drinking is a symptom and the results of this condition can turn out deadly. It's ignorant and childish to think of it as a copoutbecause there's not one person who's an alcoholic that can just "put the bottle down" and be fine again. This is why there is a recoveryprocess after becoming sober, if you think that getting better is limited to just stopping the drinking then you're wrong.

 

[antonlavey]

Originally Posted by edwardkingjr

Originally Posted by Thugnificence

Originally Posted by Square town 707

It is a very real disease. My pops went through rehab twice, and finally got his life back on track. During this time I went to numerous meetings for family of alcoholics.

It's not that they are weak, or don't want to stop, its not that easy. They are dependent of a chemical, just like a drug they can be addicted to it, they cant function without it.

while i do agree with you to an extent...

i steadfastly believe that if someone wants to beat their addiction, they will beat that addiction...

so i think that people who are addicts dont truly want to quit

Are you willing to test this theory?

Get yourself addicted to heroin,crack, or meth.

It's not that they don't WANT to quit, theyjust CAN'T.

 

[send one]

Alcoholism is indeed hereditary.
Not always fam.

Some ppl choose to not drink because of what they've seen they're parents go through

 

[antonlavey]

Originally Posted by SEND ONE

Alcoholism is indeed hereditary.

Not always fam.

Some ppl choose to not drink because of what they've seen they're parents go through


You're misunderstanding something here....getting addicted to alcohol after you take a drink is hereditary, not the desire to take a drink in the firstplace.

 

[651akathepaul]

Originally Posted by AntonLaVey

Originally Posted by SEND ONE

Alcoholism is indeed hereditary.

Not always fam.

Some ppl choose to not drink because of what they've seen they're parents go through

You're misunderstanding something here....getting addicted to alcohol after you take a drink is hereditary, not the desire to take a drink in the first place.


QFT.

 

[hybridsoldier23]

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1.	a disordered or incorrectly functioning organ, part, structure, or system of the body resulting from the effect of genetic or developmental errors, infection, poisons, nutritional deficiency or imbalance, toxicity, or unfavorable environmental factors; illness; sickness; ailment.

2.	any abnormal condition in a plant that interferes with its vital physiological processes, caused by pathogenic microorganisms, parasites, unfavorable environmental, genetic, or nutritional factors, etc.

3.	any harmful, depraved, or morbid condition, as of the mind or society: His fascination with executions is a disease.

4.	decomposition of a material under special circumstances: tin disease.

 

[emmanuel goldstein]

welp guess what ... if its really a chemical dependance then they shouldnt have drank in the first place ... either way they started it and need to stop it orthey can go %%!! themselves ...

the way i look at it is, i know "alcoholics" who have quit and become solid human beings, if they can do it and you cant then %%!! you ...