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thats what i thought
RealTalk: Your President Wants To Raise My Taxes to Close to 60%
thats what i thought
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I know itsOriginally Posted by I Be John Mayer
I like that. Might have to steal that one.
It doesn't matter whether you voted for him or not he is still our president. Its just so frustrating to see him do almost the exact opposite of what heshould do during a recession. Even though I didn't vote for him I wish him them best and hope that his actions don't put this country in a worsesituation just like Bush.
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Are you stupid?
They probably worked harder then you ever have
to get where they are now.
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that sort of logic is pretty flawed.
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That isn't right, anything that approaches half of your income is just ridiculous.
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Exactly, the trickle down theory doesn't work and the Bush administration proved that. Hov these last four years while you were getting fatoff tax cuts an entire nation was starving, losing homes, and applying for welfare. The gap between the rich and the poor in this country has widened vastlyand the only way to fix it is to help the poor get out of the holes that Reagan and Bush's administrations pushed them into.
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Are you stupid?
They probably worked harder then you ever have
to get where they are now.
that sort of logic is pretty flawed.
How?
Do you think they just woke up one day and
became rich?
Most rich people obviously worked hard to get where they are.
( No, im not rich. )
They probably worked hard in some kind of subject.
whether they worked hard educationally, physically, or skillfully.
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Loopholes do not allow the rich to stay rich. The rich stay rich usually because they produce or provide something of value while others are usually stuck working for producers or providers instead of becoming them. If I had tons of money I would make sure to preserve as much of my money as possible. I don't see anything wrong with that.
eagles and vultures...
rich people are eagles, broke people are vultures, waiting to eat what the eagle kills.
there's alot more vultures than eagles, that's why hovkid is complaining.
the only fix you got is to just make more money to compensate for the government taking more.
it's that simple.
kill more food, so the vultures can eat more.
A bit extreme but true to an extent.
I won't argue the gap, because I think you're right, the gap has certainly widened incredibly over the last decade.
However, to cite starvation and losing homes as a byproduct of the Bush tax cuts I think is pushing it a bit.
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that sort of logic is pretty flawed.
How?
Do you think they just woke up one day and
became rich?
Most rich people obviously worked hard to get where they are.
( No, im not rich. )
They probably worked hard in some kind of subject.
whether they worked hard educationally, physically, or skillfully.
The logic is flawed because a lot of people are born into situations that makes it almost impossible to get rich no matter how hard they work atit. It is much easier to make something of yourself when you are born into a middle class family, attend the best private schools in town and surround yourselfwith future contacts who can help you along the way. However, the majority of Americans don't have that.
fromyesterday
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that sort of logic is pretty flawed.
How?
Do you think they just woke up one day and
became rich?
Most rich people obviously worked hard to get where they are.
( No, im not rich. )
They probably worked hard in some kind of subject.
whether they worked hard educationally, physically, or skillfully.
The logic is flawed because a lot of people are born into situations that makes it almost impossible to get rich no matter how hard they work at it. It is much easier to make something of yourself when you are born into a middle class family, attend the best private schools in town and surround yourself with future contacts who can help you along the way.
What about Mike Tyson?, Oprah, Eminem, ect....
they went from Rags to Riches and they grew up in one of the
most poorest neighborhoods and some of them even dropped out of High School.
Like i said,
they either worked hard on a skill they had, or educationally, ect...
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I ain't rich so it will not affect me....
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I won't argue the gap, because I think you're right, the gap has certainly widened incredibly over the last decade.
However, to cite starvation and losing homes as a byproduct of the Bush tax cuts I think is pushing it a bit.
It is not a byproduct of tax cuts, it is a byproduct of both Reagan and Bush's complete disregard for the poor and the notion that they neededto cater to the top 1% of the country.
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How?
Do you think they just woke up one day and
became rich?
Most rich people obviously worked hard to get where they are.
( No, im not rich. )
They probably worked hard in some kind of subject.
whether they worked hard educationally, physically, or skillfully.
The logic is flawed because a lot of people are born into situations that makes it almost impossible to get rich no matter how hard they work at it. It is much easier to make something of yourself when you are born into a middle class family, attend the best private schools in town and surround yourself with future contacts who can help you along the way. However, the majority of Americans don't have that.
And it also suggests that people who aren't rich don't work hard. As I said before,
Does a stockbroker work harder than a construction worker?
Does a dentist work harder than an auto mechanic?
Does a lawyer work harder than a garbageman?
Are you suggesting that a teacher in a low income area doesn't work as hard as Mike Tyson??
I'm about to wrap up my undergrad studies and go to law school, and i've worked as a garbageman and I can tell you that is some of the hardest workI've ever done. 12 hours straight of constantly lifting heavy stuff in the heat riding on the back of a truck. There is nothing that would make me thinkthat simply because i was LUCKY enough to gain the education i can get that all of a sudden I work harder than the guy who collects trash. That is the fatalflaw in your logic.
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I love how all of you are like "go find loopholes."
Man, I want to be an upstanding citizen and pay what is due. If forced to find a way to hide my money that's what I'll do, but Jesus, that is what itcome down to now?
That's yo man......
Man, I want to be an upstanding citizen and pay what is due. If forced to find a way to hide my money that's what I'll do, but Jesus, that is what itcome down to now?
That's yo man......
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Everybody is getting all upset in this thread. It makes me laugh.
lu cash
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How?
Do you think they just woke up one day and
became rich?
Most rich people obviously worked hard to get where they are.
( No, im not rich. )
They probably worked hard in some kind of subject.
whether they worked hard educationally, physically, or skillfully.
The logic is flawed because a lot of people are born into situations that makes it almost impossible to get rich no matter how hard they work at it. It is much easier to make something of yourself when you are born into a middle class family, attend the best private schools in town and surround yourself with future contacts who can help you along the way.
What about Mike Tyson?, Oprah, Eminem, ect....
they went from Rags to Riches and they grew up in one of the
most poorest neighborhoods and some of them even dropped out of High School.
Like i said,
they either worked hard on a skill they had, or educationally, ect...
You're giving me very few examples, I'm talking about the country as a whole here not a couple entertainers and athletes.
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Move to South America or suck it up, I guess?
Next topic ...
Next topic ...
It's just called proper tax planning. Before you took your job, you knew how much you were going to make as you posted it on NT. At the same time, youshould have immediately went to a tax attorney or a respected CPA and discussed what you could/should do in this tax bracket. I know my firm was operatingunder the notion that taxes would go up and the Bush tax cuts would expire, so we got clients in here asap to discuss. Some accelerated their revenue, somemove to defer. When you enter that tax bracket, a certain level of sophistication is automatically assumed.
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IMO the biggest reason the gap between rich and poor in this country widen over the past 8 years was due to both Republican and Democraticparties. Middle class people were encouraged to ditch savings accounts and place their money in the stock market or spend their money in the economy. To makematters worse, the government started advocating cheaper housing which helped banks bamboozle millions into buying houses they wouldn't afford under thepretense that the value would increase. Add on historically low interest rates and you have a bubble waiting to burst. Those smart enough to have theirfinancial house in order were not hurt as badly as those who blindly followed what their financial advisers told them.
So, for you to single out only Bush and Reagan makes me think that your just choosing sides. The blame goes to every body in the government.
If you were starving/losing your house/applying for welfare during the Bush era when unemployment was 4 - 6%, then I would say that you was not doing it right.
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eh I was out and I was thinking bout this
NY Post is the one who printed the Obama monkey stimulus cartoon.. Then I thought hey who owns the NY Post..I was thinking got the answer went on Wikipedia toconfirm
OWNER OF NY POST IS RUPERT MURDOCH, RUPERT MURDOCH OWNS WHAT EVERYONE FOR THE $1000 Alex.. WHAT IS FOX NEWS? UNCREDIBLE SOURCE.
NY Post is the one who printed the Obama monkey stimulus cartoon.. Then I thought hey who owns the NY Post..I was thinking got the answer went on Wikipedia toconfirm
OWNER OF NY POST IS RUPERT MURDOCH, RUPERT MURDOCH OWNS WHAT EVERYONE FOR THE $1000 Alex.. WHAT IS FOX NEWS? UNCREDIBLE SOURCE.
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Originally Posted by ProduccionFrescos
stonewall jackson.
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The logic is flawed because a lot of people are born into situations that makes it almost impossible to get rich no matter how hard they work at it. It is much easier to make something of yourself when you are born into a middle class family, attend the best private schools in town and surround yourself with future contacts who can help you along the way. However, the majority of Americans don't have that.
Couldn't be further from the truth.
There are multitudes of ways that one can get rich/wealthy in the US. Many of those ways do not involve even being born into the middle class.
Just as an aside, the wealth gap began to really widen back in the late 70's. Nixon got the ball rolling and every president since has followed suit.
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What the hell does that have to do with topic at hand?
Here's some advice from your good friend Obama
Go sit down.
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Couldn't be further from the truth.
There are multitudes of ways that one can get rich/wealthy in the US. Many of those ways do not involve even being born into the middle class.
Just as an aside, the wealth gap began to really widen back in the late 70's. Nixon got the ball rolling and every president since has followed suit.
Those born into poverty are at a disadvantage.