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School me on John Wall
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Exactly.
IDK why people keep shoving CP3 to the side like dudes are just gonna leapfrog him....
If Rose went over Beasley, then Wall could go over Blake
I don't see your point. And the whole '1 year older' argument is moot because more and more teams are filled w/ kids like that.
Minusan Inch? Are we going to have to get into this Rose vs Wallathleticism discussion again? I thought we were done w/ those.
As a Prospect, whether 2 guard or PG (or whatever BS you wanna come up w/ to try and give Pooh the edge 'cause he's from your hoodOriginally Posted by haiti5
of course he is ..its no use comparing a 2 guard in a point guards body to a pass first pg
Seethat's the thing about Wall. He's 6'4 but he is a chiseled 6'4. He'snot a string bean. The boy has size and strength already....so if hegets stronger and possibly biggerOriginally Posted by Seymore CAKE
This. Hehas amazing size for an true PG, if he can manage to add on wieght& strength while keeping his speed & quickness... OMG.
ThatsPooh's edge, while John is taller and can see over opposing guards,Pooh is that he's built to actually take contact aiding him in hisdrives.
But John is THEEEEE goods, his off hand is amazing its as good as Dorfs was and thats saying something
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Wall is better..hes easily gonna be the most dominant scoring pg once he enters the league..prolly average 20 7 7 somethin like that
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Originally Posted by yungchris504
Originally Posted by gangsta207therevolution
Originally Posted by yungchris504
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If they cant work together, you would trade Paul, provided Wall is a stud.Originally Posted by Julian Wright
Am I crazy or isnt No having financial problems. Until they can get the Peja , and Mo Pete contracts off the books the best bet is to trade Paul and get rid of one of those contracts.
Your telling me a team with no cap space, doesnt say you know what we will take Peja and Paul, give you 2 first rounders in 2011 and 2013 unprotected and give you a piece you need to win.
Im sorry but Wall, West, and a legit number 2 can win with that squad.
whatever. Your prob right. They arent getting Wall anyway.
They are hoping for a guy like Wesley Johnson.....
I hope a team does for Wall what the Bulls have not done for Rose... RUN
Thats his strength.
As for Rose. He could have used another year at Memphis. And thats nothing against him going #1, nothing against what he's doing now. But I would love to see him be a better passer.
The reason why we are stone facing you is because you probably haven't been keeping up with the Hornets. The team has been playing a whole lot better and they are under the cap for this year as well. I think if they ended up with the #1 pick they probably package it with a posey contract or DWest and try to get some talent ala Wizards.
Your under the hard cap... But you cant make any roster moves. Peja does come off the cap next year though...
The only concern I would have with a Rose/ Wall back court is one of them is going to have to become a better jump shooter. Rose is better in that respect now, but my qualms with that backcourt are the same reason I would perfer Joe Johnson on a 4 year deal, vs D Wade.
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Originally Posted by dreClark
As a Prospect, whether 2 guard or PG (or whatever BS you wanna come up w/ to try and give Pooh the edge 'cause he's from your hood) Wall is better.
See that's the thing about Wall. He's 6'4 but he is a chiseled 6'4. He's not a string bean. The boy has size and strength already....so if he gets stronger and possibly bigger
You're trying to make it seem as if he's just head and shoulders above what Pooh was doing at college/or that his potential is that much greater when its really his ceiling really isn't that much higher.
Not to mention that what Pooh did in his college run compared to his class can't be compared to John's because while his class is putting up solid numbers they aren't doing work like Beasley, Juice, Love, EG, or even Jonny was doing as a freshmen. So of course it makes him stand out even more once you add the hype that he came in with.
In addition to that Pooh led a group of upper classmen who had an All American already and they all deferred to him because he was better, While John's playing with kids the same class as him and one junior who's always played 2nd fiddle so of course he's going to stand out and get his more. While you're saying boys are going hard for him because he's from the crib, don't act like John isn't from you back yard either G. But all in all John IS THEE GOODS !!!'
I TRY to be as unbias as possible
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We've seen it with Mayo for the past two years (ya'll REALLY were saying he was better than KD...don't front).
We're currently seeing it with Lance Stephenson. It literally took John Wall being on top of the prep world in terms of popularity for alot of you dudes to concede that he was better than Lance. Even when Wall was atop every list you had a group of dudes saying, "Lance is still better".
For the most part I can't include Rose in that category just yet cause it's usually the same few dudes in his corner in every discussion and their Chi-Town dudes. I know that feeling from being in KD's corner in every argument when alot of ya'll used to front on SUPER heavy until you couldn't anymore.
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yall n's really take me seriously
FOH *facepalm*..i just argue to argue i assumed my outlandish claims would be picked up...rose fam lived in walking distance from my crib so of course im gon argue... 0_o ... anyway speaking purely unbiased annnnnd
with all that said Wall is better at this stage in his career ..hes much more fluid, very creative passer,can run the show, vocal leader, much better outside shooter than many thought he would be on the collegiate (read the various scouting reports they said he wouldnt be a solid 3 pt shooter) his team defense and man to man is leaps and bounds above any guard ive seen since rajon. If he continues improvement at this rate he will be much better than cp3 given his physical capabilties.
it must suck havin no hometown pride
with all that said Wall is better at this stage in his career ..hes much more fluid, very creative passer,can run the show, vocal leader, much better outside shooter than many thought he would be on the collegiate (read the various scouting reports they said he wouldnt be a solid 3 pt shooter) his team defense and man to man is leaps and bounds above any guard ive seen since rajon. If he continues improvement at this rate he will be much better than cp3 given his physical capabilties.
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Who Said That Bull !!#! G?!?!?! I NEED To Know G
As far as Juice goes I remember everyone #%#++%%% on him at first because of his "perception" coming out of HS, it was a handful of dudes rocking with dude at first myself, dre, henz and like 5 other cats. Everybody was on Kevn Love's sausage, then EG & Bayless started killing and it was thier time, and they were saying they were all soooo much than Juice. Then he put up 30 a couple of times and people took notice, then it got crazy... I missed that better than Durant statement tho G
That class had some killers, not to mention Kyle Singler & Jeff Teague...
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Naaaaaw not at all. I'm not saying that Wall is head and shoulders better, just stating that at this point he IS better. Nor did I say that his potential was >>>>>>>> that of Rose's. Just that he is able to be dominant physically, and he still has more he can do to his body.Originally Posted by Seymore CAKE
Originally Posted by dreClark
As a Prospect, whether 2 guard or PG (or whatever BS you wanna come up w/ to try and give Pooh the edge 'cause he's from your hood) Wall is better.
See that's the thing about Wall. He's 6'4 but he is a chiseled 6'4. He's not a string bean. The boy has size and strength already....so if he gets stronger and possibly bigger
You're trying to make it seem as if he's just head and shoulders above what Pooh was doing at college/or that his potential is that much greater when its really his ceiling really isn't that much higher.
Not to mention that what Pooh did in his college run compared to his class can't be compared to John's because while his class is putting up solid numbers they aren't doing work like Beasley, Juice, Love, EG, or even Jonny was doing as a freshmen. So of course it makes him stand out even more once you add the hype that he came in with.
In addition to that Pooh led a group of upper classmen who had an All American already and they all deferred to him because he was better, While John's playing with kids the same class as him and one junior who's always played 2nd fiddle so of course he's going to stand out and get his more. While you're saying boys are going hard for him because he's from the crib, don't act like John isn't from you back yard either G.
And come on bro, that class was FILTHY, you can't hold that against him. That class was unseemly.
I don't recall ever putting down what Pooh did. Hell, I hardly ever commented on what he did. All I ever said that mentioned him was that Wall is better, that they are on the same plane athletically, and that if Rose went over Beas, then it wouldn't be out of line to think that Wall would go over Blake. I never even mentioned what Rose did. And John is from the state, but he ain't from my city. I don't even ride for/claim him like that (pause). He from 2 hours away from my city.
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addendum: if any of you state that wall is better than rose NOW..like now...im talking reigning ROY just scored 26 against OKC vs. John Wall at UK ...then you probably the dumbest p.o.s ive ever encountered in life. ric bucer is an idiot you cant compare a collegiate star to an accomplished NBA point guard like deron. *cue bill cosby* THATS THE DUMBEST THING I EVER HEARD.
wait someone said juice was better than KD...
i dont remember that at all..even with all us homers on the board i dont see anyone saying that.
wait someone said juice was better than KD...
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*raises hand*
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Here's one right here - http://niketalk.yuku.com/reply/3711764#reply-3711764
Homie still posts too...
Homie still posts too...
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Thats crazy...
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I aint forget bhz trying to act like Thaddeus Young "wasn't that far behind" KD a couple years ago too...
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As far as Wall is concerned; Great athlete, good strength, very good size, decent jump shot, nice passer and always aggressive.
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Would be crazy if the Bulls hit the jackpot and had to make that decision...
Obviously you keep Rose, but do you draft Wall and play them together since he is bigger (and probably big enough to play off-the-ball) or do you just straight out trade it?
Wall and Rose in a backcourt would be god damn bananas...
Obviously you keep Rose, but do you draft Wall and play them together since he is bigger (and probably big enough to play off-the-ball) or do you just straight out trade it?
Wall and Rose in a backcourt would be god damn bananas...
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I say you draft him and make it work. But thinking about it. If Sacramento drafted him...that actually would make sense because Reke is a 2 anyway. That backcourt would be even better IMO.
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I would start Wall at the 2 and play him off the ball. That would be crazy lol
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Originally Posted by dreClark
*raises hand*
I don't recall ever saying Lance was better than John, although I certainly said he was better than X and I still believe it to be true just that X is playing for the superior coach at the superior program and is actually showing all of his skill set.
OMG G... I just went to Rivals to look at it again... It soooooooooo much worst than I thought it was... Evan Turner, Taylor Battle, Fresh, Pat, James Johnsom, James Anderson, Blair, Donte Green bum #%$, Nolan, E'twan Moore, it just goes on and on with talent G, I would've loved to see him in that class bro
OMG... YOU WERE SERIOUS... SOMEONE ACTUALLY HAD THE AUDACITY TO SAY THAT.
I feel like Dude in Coming To America when he saw Eddie in the rest room line... "OH MY GOD I CAN NOT BELIEVE IT!!!"
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Yeah, see I think if you win the Lottery you take him and figure it out later.. You're not gonna get enough value for him as a prospect to make it worth your while IMO..
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And you get to Trade Martin.
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it aint gonna happen..but its wishful thinking..hes a volume scorer and thats what the bulls have been missing even tho Luol been gettin off
im really hoping he goes to the Nets..him and dev in the backcourt with twill brook ,CDR, kris, annnnd Yi..
.thats alotta SOLID young talent..but then what would they do with courtney..hmm
im really hoping he goes to the Nets..him and dev in the backcourt with twill brook ,CDR, kris, annnnd Yi..
