The Combat Jack Show Thread

[str8drop]

serious question
aint his manager ian the jewish guy
do we really think he had joes best intrests at heart
seems like ian doesnt use joes leverage at all
like at complex and now here at spotify as well as his e1 contract

There’s definitely a theme with a lot of his business ****

Joe is the king of self sabotage too tho so really it’s hard to even call it. Remember he started the Complex rant off talking about how in the 90s record labels let you smoke in the bathrooms

Sound like he was insinuating that he didn’t like the deal/situation from the beginning but they took it anyway so they could get the data/analytics?

 

[Magic33]

I think sometimes you guys get too caught up in what someone else says, like what Charlamagne said at the beginning and that becomes the narrative.

Complex was a **** company and he wasn't wrong

Shady was a **** label and he wasn't wrong.

 

[str8drop]

I think sometimes you guys get too caught up in what someone else says, like what Charlamagne said at the beginning and that becomes the narrative.

Complex was a **** company and he wasn't wrong

Shady was a **** label and he wasn't wrong.

Yet if Complex, Spotify etc would’ve given in to his demands we wouldn’t even be hearing this ****

Ak said Joe wanted some equity in Complex etc

 

[tay1]

Also Joe leaving Complex was clearly the better move. His music endeavors have failed to an extent. So far we can’t say he’s self sabotaging when it comes to the podcast side of things.

 

[Magic33]

Yet if Complex, Spotify etc would’ve given in to his demands we wouldn’t even be hearing this ****

Ak said Joe wanted some equity in Complex etc

Yeah, because he was bringing them ideas for shows and podcast.

He was their biggest commodity.

 

[sneakaprince]

Seems like the Spotify deal was experimental for all parties involved. Joe needed the analytics and to see how much his follower base would follow him to one DSP.

That information alone is invaluable. He is able to take those analytics and really leverage his value with competitors.

Spotify needed something big to amass a large following to their podcast platform. Joe gave them that. Joe is basically the biggest voice in Black/ Urban (hate the term but I know that Joe's following is much bigger than just Blacks) podcasting.

I can't front to some extent their play worked. I recently switched from Apple to Android and to their credit when I needed to resub to all my pods I did it via Spotify. Budden was already there so why not just use that for everything?

I hate to see that Spotify isn't giving Joe what he believes he's worth, but thats going to be the same for any big business entity. Whoever said Joe believes that he should be paid what The Ringer, and Gimlet were paid to lease (not own) his podcast has a similar take as mine. I think The JBP is a gem but from a business perspective I can totally understand why someone would be opposed to leasing 1 pod for similar money as buying an entire podcast network.

While I'm sure Joe beats each pod individually are we sure that he is really outperforming entire networks?

I'm glad Joe admitted that the Rogan comparisons just don't equate. Rogan is truly an anomaly but he has also worked himself into that position. He really the Podfather and deserves his bag.

Whatever happens from here I'm sure Budden will be more than fine. I'm glad that he stuck to his morals on this one. He already knows his fans will go where he goes he might as well get whatever deal is going to make him happiest.


Joe been talking that pod network **** for a couple years now. It'd be great to see him and Loudspeakers finally partner up and get their well deserved bags.

 

[sneakaprince]

Also Joe leaving Complex was clearly the better move. His music endeavors have failed to an extent. So far we can’t say he’s self sabotaging when it comes to the podcast side of things.

Yeah, because he was bringing them ideas for shows and podcast.

He was their biggest commodity.

Man I haven't watched Everyday Struggle in years literally. Complex lost when they lost Joe. I like Wayno a lot but he's no Joe.

 

[Magic33]

That was my issue. The Ringer is like 20 podcast. Most of them are crap, but they have a bunch. Joe might be looking at it as Bill Simmons or their top ones, and not them added together.

On the other hand with The Ringer, most of them are the same people listening, so you have the same listenership. None of those podcast appeals to black people. When he got called out, Bill has brought Van Lathan, Bakari and someone else I can't remember off the top of my head.

And Joe is a pioneer, so he's going to be underpaid and udnervalued. Podding has changed a lot in the past two/three years. Patrick Mahomes has a good contract for 2020, but in 2025 it won't be. That's the way things are. Just like how people complained about Scottie's contract. When he signed it was great, he was one of the highest paid and was getting more than your Ewing's and Isiah's.

If I had an Android phone I'd use Spotify, but for all us iPhone users, a lot of us only have Spotify for Budden's pod.

 

[Magic33]

It's just wild these companies are now trying to do 360's with podding.

 

[str8drop]

Also Joe leaving Complex was clearly the better move. His music endeavors have failed to an extent. So far we can’t say he’s self sabotaging when it comes to the podcast side of things.

Joe didn’t leave Complex to do the podcast tho, he just left Those were separate things that he did simultaneously.

EDS boosted up his profile, going viral for screaming on AK, Yachty etc and he branded himself as the _ that hate new rappers. That visibility helped the podcast, especially when he made his big spicy exit.

 

[tay1]

Seems like the Spotify deal was experimental for all parties involved. Joe needed the analytics and to see how much his follower base would follow him to one DSP.

That information alone is invaluable. He is able to take those analytics and really leverage his value with competitors.

Spotify needed something big to amass a large following to their podcast platform. Joe gave them that. Joe is basically the biggest voice in Black/ Urban (hate the term but I know that Joe's following is much bigger than just Blacks) podcasting.

I can't front to some extent their play worked. I recently switched from Apple to Android and to their credit when I needed to resub to all my pods I did it via Spotify. Budden was already there so why not just use that for everything?

I hate to see that Spotify isn't giving Joe what he believes he's worth, but thats going to be the same for any big business entity. Whoever said Joe believes that he should be paid what The Ringer, and Gimlet were paid to lease (not own) his podcast has a similar take as mine. I think The JBP is a gem but from a business perspective I can totally understand why someone would be opposed to leasing 1 pod for similar money as buying an entire podcast network.

While I'm sure Joe beats each pod individually are we sure that he is really outperforming entire networks?

I'm glad Joe admitted that the Rogan comparisons just don't equate. Rogan is truly an anomaly but he has also worked himself into that position. He really the Podfather and deserves his bag.

Whatever happens from here I'm sure Budden will be more than fine. I'm glad that he stuck to his morals on this one. He already knows his fans will go where he goes he might as well get whatever deal is going to make him happiest.


Joe been talking that pod network **** for a couple years now. It'd be great to see him and Loudspeakers finally partner up and get their well deserved bags.

That was my issue. The Ringer is like 20 podcast. Most of them are crap, but they have a bunch. Joe might be looking at it as Bill Simmons or their top ones, and not them added together.

On the other hand with The Ringer, most of them are the same people listening, so you have the same listenership. None of those podcast appeals to black people. When he got called out, Bill has brought Van Jones, Bakari and someone else I can't remember off the top of my head.

And Joe is a pioneer, so he's going to be underpaid and udnervalued. Podding has changed a lot in the past two/three years. Patrick Mahomes has a good contract for 2020, but in 2025 it won't be. That's the way things are. Just like how people complained about Scottie's contract. When he signed it was great, he was one of the highest paid and was getting more than your Ewing's and Isiah's.

If I had an Android phone I'd use Spotify, but for all us iPhone users, a lot of us only have Spotify for Budden's pod.

He probably brings the Pull up and other projects with him to this network he wanted as well.

 

[tay1]

Joe didn’t leave Complex to do the podcast tho, he just left Those were separate things that he did simultaneously.

EDS boosted up his profile, going viral for screaming on AK, Yachty etc and he branded himself as the _ that hate new rappers. That visibility helped the podcast, especially when he made his big spicy exit.

I didn’t say he left Complex for the podcast

 

[sneakaprince]

It's just wild these companies are now trying to do 360's with podding.

A 360 pod contract sounds so wild but I get it. Pods are creating legitimate stars (I.e Bodega Boys, The Read, hell even Budden's crew). I'm sure these companies are trying to figure out how to maximize their profits.

 

[sneakaprince]

He probably brings the Pull up and other projects with him to this network he wanted as well.

I never wanna de-value the product of another black man. Especially Budden, but how much is the Pull up really worth?

I know Joe is gunning for another one of the "talking heads" positions and thats dope but is the Pull Up really that popular?

 

[str8drop]

I didn’t say he left Complex for the podcast

My point is whats the basis for saying leaving Complex was clearly the better move then?

The biggest thing he’s done since is the Spotify deal for the podcast, a podcast he was doing while on Complex

 

[trynafeelmink]

I don't see anything wrong with Joe's thoughts or how he's going about it, ****** always want you to whisper when it comes to knowing your worth & demanding it. I keep hearing the "this is how business works" & i think this is the point of him going so public with these demands.... for whatever reason people see the ****** up nature of these companies & accept it as the norm.

Seems like Joe's team has took a real heavy dive into the analytics & numbers that the pod has brought into Spotify & know exactly what figure would be respectable & worth the tradeoff. Dude said he made more money off 8 episodes of the pull up, than he did the entire Spotify deal.... but he's supposed to basically do a 360 with Spotify .

Mf'ers too scary out here, that don't let massa catch you speaking ****. Same ****** told Kanye he's lucky to have Nike's support & was a lunatic for calling out the CEO's, 5 years later he floating around a billy. When ****** know their worth & our willing to stand behind it, i'm gonna always support that.

 

[Mark Antony]

Joe is the king of self sabotage too tho so really it’s hard to even call it. Remember he started the Complex rant off talking about how in the 90s record labels let you smoke in the bathrooms

Looking back on this he wasn't wrong in general, just had a poor way of expressing himself back then and something that would set off alarms is a bad example. You can't want to be the place for creativity and have standard corporate rules.

 

[str8drop]

Kanye signed a “modest” deal with Adidas in 2013, he didn't get the big big bag until 2016 when they decided they needed to go all in with the celebrity/fashion **** to compete with Nike nem. They had just got passed up by Under Armour.

And coincidentally, it was right after he got new management

Looking back on this he wasn't wrong in general, just had a poor way of expressing himself back then and something that would set off alarms is a bad example. You can't want to be the place for creativity and have standard corporate rules.

I feel that but Joe a 40 yr old entrepreneur now, after a certain point you gotta stop moving like the 20 yr old diva 1st rd round draft pick

 

[trynafeelmink]

Kanye signed a modest deal with Adidas in 2013, he didn't get the big bag until 2016 when they decided they needed to go all in with the celebrity **** to compete with Nike

And coincidentally, it was right after he got new management

that deal wasn't "Modest" in comparison to the deal that Nike offered, they weren't even willing to give him royalties

It sounds like Joe took the modest deal with Spotify & instead of rewarding him for how fruitful the deal turned out...... they trying to eat of all Joe's platforms & underpay them. So Joe's going to bounce... as he should.

& the probability is that he's going to end up making more profit by doing this because it's proven that people will follow his content. Revolt, Youtube, Spotify, live shows etc etc, his team has more than enough cases to know this.

 

[Cashflow]

 

[str8drop]

that deal wasn't "Modest" in comparison to the deal that Nike offered, they weren't even willing to give him royalties

It sounds like Joe took the modest deal with Spotify & instead of rewarding him for how fruitful the deal turned out...... they trying to eat of all Joe's platforms & underpay them. So Joe's going to bounce... as he should.

& the probability is that he's going to end up making more profit by doing this because it's proven that people will follow his content. Revolt, Youtube, Spotify, live shows etc etc, his team has more than enough cases to know this.

Nike didn’t need Kanye, Adidas did. Pretty simple

Even then tho, he didn’t sign for crazy amount at the time and he still had the same constraints as he did at Nike regarding the prices and supply of the shoes.

Remember, he wanted the shoes to have the same price and be in every store like the Lebrons, where you could just walk in and cop on a regular day.

Joe seemingly wants Spotify to lease the podcast for the same price as they buying podcast networks for.

His analogy was leasing and buying a car, but the whole basis of the lease v. buy argument is the fact that cars are depreciating assets that lose 10-20% of their value every year

 

[Josy Jo]

Crissle looks like she says soul wrenching things during arguments. Not the childish insults, those r dumb. The "you're broke and you're taking out a second mortgage in you're childs name" type of stuff

Nike didn’t need Kanye, Adidas did. Pretty simple

Even then tho, he didn’t sign for crazy amount at the time and he still had the same constraints as he did at Nike regarding the prices and supply of the shoes.

Remember, he wanted the shoes to have the same price and be in every store like the Lebrons, where you could just walk in and cop on a regular day.

Joe seemingly wants Spotify to lease the podcast for the same price as they buying podcast networks for.

His analogy was leasing and buying a car, but the whole basis of the lease v. buy argument is the fact that cars are depreciating assets that lose 10-20% of their value every year

This isn't a surprise. Joe can't help being "unreasonable."

 

[gregzzy23]

Sounds like Spotify was the only dsp to actually agree to show analytics (I dont think they agreed to show everything, because theres still confusion about how that one week they went from #1 to #18 or whatever it was) so Joe took the deal there to be able to have a closer look at numbers. He didnt just take a bad deal.

Regarding the bonus, it seemed like Joe thought they clearly hit the benchmarks to receive the bonus but Spotify reinterpreted the language and said nah you didnt. Joe wasnt saying they should get a bonus just because they overachieved.

And hes not necessarily asking them to give them Bill Simmons money, because hes not selling a whole platform, but we dont need to be in the room to understand Spotify definitely gave them an undervalued offer. I came away pretty disgusted with Spotify after this ep. They didnt wanna buy them watches or giveaway a measly $50k to fans?? Thats sooo shortsighted its insane. Those little tiny things could've gassed their heads into actually accepting the undervalued offer, I dont know what those execs were thinking.

Personally I only use spotify for the pod and will def delete it after the last one. I hope they really feel the sting from this, thats nasty behavior.

 

[Magic33]

A 360 pod contract sounds so wild but I get it. Pods are creating legitimate stars (I.e Bodega Boys, The Read, hell even Budden's crew). I'm sure these companies are trying to figure out how to maximize their profits.

To me it depends if you are the one who brings the name or is it them.

If I'm already a known commodity, then you aren't helping me as much as I'm helping you. Just like music, Drake isn't getting a 360.

 

[trynafeelmink]

Nike didn’t need Kanye, Adidas did. Pretty simple

Even then tho, he didn’t sign for crazy amount at the time and he still had the same constraints as he did at Nike regarding the prices and supply of the shoes.

Remember, he wanted the shoes to have the same price and be in every store like the Lebrons, where you could just walk in and cop on a regular day.

Joe seemingly wants Spotify to lease the podcast for the same price as they buying podcast networks for.

His analogy was leasing and buying a car, but the whole basis of the lease v. buy argument is the fact that cars are depreciating assets that lose 10-20% of their value every year

1) It definitely wasn't the same constraints as Nike, he had no royalties, no control over the release dates, and not even a discussion on the price points. The plan with Adidas from the get go was to roll the sneakers out slowly & gradually expand to larger scale releases (which they have). Also Nike & Adidas are billion dollar companies neither NEEDED Kanye, but they are sure as hell happy to have him. Also not lost on me that the hottest **** coming from Nike that's not a Jordan comes from ****** who worked directly under Kanye in Virgil & Jerry.

2) Listening to all of that i didn't just come away with Joe is leaving because he didn't get the bag that podcast networks got. I think he used those numbers to highlight how Spotify used him & his platform to grow bring visibility to their podcast venture. Ran up a bag, distributed it to others & are still trying to shortchange them on their dealings.

He also noted that many of the people he worked with on the initial deal have been phased out or gone all together, Joe's podcast has brought in a significant amount of money into that company & some of the big decision makers know nothing about him. It's the same as a rapper getting signed into a deal, then all the A&R & Presidents in the building who were in support of you are gone. Why would the artist be itching to stay there?

Joe has all the momentum, why risk stagnating it at a company that clearly doesn't value your output & who's vision isn't aligned with yours.