****The Everything LaVar Ball Thread****

no i just so happen to stroll in this fabulous lavar ball thread and looked over your post stating any woman with sense would leave these guys.

yet in the aaron hernandez thread you seem to have more faith in bow wow that she will do the right thing even tho she stayed with her man after he cheated on her with girls, guys, killed ******, and lied for him countless times?

do you see what im getting at? but i know your one of them niketalkers who cant admit they wrong so ill let it go PAL
 
NobleKane said:
no i just so happen to stroll in this fabulous lavar ball thread and looked over your post stating any woman with sense would leave these guys.

yet in the aaron hernandez thread you seem to have more faith in bow wow that she will do the right thing even tho she stayed with her man after he cheated on her with girls, guys, killed ******, and lied for him countless times?

do you see what im getting at? but i know your one of them niketalkers who cant admit they wrong so ill let it go PAL
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:smh: :lol:

I hope getting that off your chest made you feel better.
 
Lonzo's rookie debut might not even be the biggest one next year.

Ben Simmons finally hitting the court gonna get a ton of attention too.
 
There's a few first year guys I'm excited to see. Fulz, Ball, Dennis Smith JR, Fox, Jackson+hopefully a full year of Embiid.
 
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RustyShackleford said:
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RustyShackleford said:
My point is that the few examples you probably have seen, those same dudes have probably criticized him at some other point. I'm sure they are dude blanketly riding for LaVar but most people that have support him in this thread have called him out when he crossed the line. The race aspect has mostly been about how he is portrayed in the media.

And I agree with how America capitalism and let down the black community, but LaVar Ball is really not an example of that. Yes he is a capitalist and yes he hustling, yes he is only out for himself but famb is harmless in the grander scale of things. He is slanging sneakers, the most damage he can do is become a competitive fringe to Nike, or Adidas.
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The issue isn't what LaVar is doing. The issue is in seeing what he's doing as some type of revolutionary, pro-black stand and in seeing supporting BBB as some meaningful act of racial solidarity and support for the "little guy." These types of responses are abundant in this thread. Increased success by the black wealthy, who in this case are framed as the "little guys," will not translate into meaningful change for poor, working-class, or even middle-class black folks. But that is the narrative that LaVar is implicitly pushing and that I see many people implicitly (or explicitly) buying into. LaVar is appealing to these sentiments in marketing his brand in order to enrich himself and his family, which is fine, but let's call it what it is.

And too often a version of this logic is touted as the solution to issues plaguing black communities--that what is promoted by and benefits black elites is somehow good for all black people in some indirect or even tangible way.


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The way things like education, infrastructure, healthcare, and financial services have been turn into commodities that are hand out in unequal amounts and unequal quality, instead of being viewed as public goods is the real danger. I am pretty lefty that believe America and the black community needs to warm up to socialist solutions but I don't vilify capitalism that much. Because that is that same type of thinking as the person that vilifies socialism because of a few scumbag dictators.

The main problem is not capitalism itself, it is how we practice capitalism. American love to preach about the effeminacy of markets and the beauty of perfect competition but we practice crony capitalism, hand firms monopolistic power, and indulge them in all their rent seeking behaviro. Black people are the lower classes (poor whites too) are told to the most basic of services have to be excludable and rivialous so we better prepared to practice some rugged individualism. At the same time a more robust welfare state is built for the white and rich.

No reasonable socialist imo should be running around demonizing capitalism, it should be pointing out how toxic the America verity is, why it should not be used in some instances, and why well regulated markets would be the better option in other times.
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I largely agree with this. I was speaking within the context of American, neoliberal capitalism here, a system in which the top 0.1% of households own as much wealth as the bottom 90%.


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The Umar Johnson example was because Johnson wanted black people to give him money to fund a school and pitched it as it was the black community responsibility to help him get the school because "look at how the education system treats black kids". The problem is systemic, and needs a policy solution to address the multiple system issues. Giving a person like Umar Johnson a school would have done little to nothing to solve the issue. Just give most black folk something to route for, while it would be helping a select few. I have a very low opinion of Johnson anyway, but bringing him up was not meant to be an indictment of him personally.
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This was basically my response to the Obama's plan to donate $2 million for jobs in Chicago in lieu of a systemic policy solution, a response which you derided :lol:

I mean, if BBB is successful--and that is a BIG if--what is the "best-case scenario" over the next 20 years? That two dozens wildly wealthy families of NBA pottery picks enrich themselves even further and put a small dent in the athletic corporate establishment? OK, that's fine, but we should understand that's where the potential benefits of this would end.


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Even if I could wish a ton more public services into America’s economy. And free the black community from the economic barriers it faces, a dude like LaVar would still be allowed to exist.
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As he should be. But dudes still shouldn't be bamboozled by self-interest being promoted as collective empowerment.


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Just that if dem shoes ain’t ship by December. The Federal Finesser Enforcement Bureau might be on his *** :lol:
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-If you want to keep making the assertion of the "revolutionary" sentiment going on in this thread, I'm going to need receipts. Who are these people giving LaVar a blank check, or saying this is a replacement for more systemic changes. Dudes are happy for the brother, when he oversteps people that support him have been critical. I can understand you having an issue with this sentiment in general. but I really don't see it being this rampant in this thread.

-American's problem with capitalism can't just be labeled as neoliberalism and be done with it. There can be conditions where labor has too much power, too much money is being spent on the welfare state that it creates poverty traps and markets are over regulated. We definitely so not live in this world though. But If we lived in that world I would be begging for some "neoliberalism". Neoliberalism seems to have just become a buzzword more than anything to vilify market solutions and free trade.

-There doesn't have to be something deeper than a couple black families finessed the situation to their advantage. So what, good for them, who are they hurting? Why should I shed tears for Nike and Adidas. Yes we have to be weary of black people using the utility they gain from supporting black business as a replacement for true economic justice, then again supporting black folk in capitalist endeavors and fighting for socialist solutions problems don't have to be mutually exclusive. LaVar and the rest of dem black families can get dat coins, and I will be happy for them, but Imma want them to run them tax dollars to fund single payer, job programs, education grants, etc.

-Obama and Umar Johnson are not the same. Obama took 2 million of his own money to donate to a program that social scientist have proven to make a difference, he committed and act of charity, and lets remember the brother fought year after year for jobs programs. Umar Johnson ran around and demanded black people give him money to get his school and shamed black people that didn't support his cause. Anyone with sense could have spotted the finesse move that would have came next. Proper context matters
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Here are a couple of receipts for you. I don't have the time or patience to comb through the thread for more, but they are there.


CashBanks said:
Lavar's idea is brilliant, how he's gone about idk tho but the idea is revolutionary
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KingKoopa said:
Fabfive said:
Eagerly anticipating this epic failure of a brand to fall flat on its face. I'm sure I'm not the only one
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Your not and thats so sad.

I wasn't a BBB supporter until I realized what he's doin.

I advise every black male with means to buy these shoes.
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I know what neoliberalism is, and I understand it to be a driving force behind the historic inequalities in the United States in the twenty-first century. I have no idea why you're constructing alternative hypothetical scenarios in which neoliberalism might be a good thing. As you admit, that's definitely not the world we live in. So...?

As I've stated ad nauseum at this point, it's fine for the Ball's to do their thing. My issue is when folks buy into the marketing narrative that the Ball's personal/familial enrichment is some type of wider victory for black folks or for the "little guy" as I see it being touted. This has been my stated issue this entire time. Is it the absolute worst thing in the world? Obviously not. But it is the conversation at hand.

Obviously Obama and Umar Johnson are not the same. I was drawing a parallel in terms of private charity in both cases being promoted as the solution to complex social issues that realistically require serious policy interventions. You point out some legitimate contextual differences that you feel make the parallel problematic. I will leave this be, as I've witnessed your stamina for defending Obama from criticism from the left, and I simply don't have the interest to engage in a prolonged exchange about this particular topic. No shade, for real.
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-Ok, cool. Point proven

-You missed my point on neoliberalism. All I wanted to argue is that it not some abstract concept, because when it is viewed like that it is hard to pin down exactly what it is. I see neoliberalism as an ideology that makes humans compete over the even the most basic of services, prioritizes “efficient” markets over equitable ones, taxation and regulation should be minimum, privatizing of public services and views trade unions as a market distortion. From there we can discuss specific policy solutions. I have come to dislike the term because now the far-left labels anything they deem unsatisfactory as “neoliberalism”. The center left on the economic spectrum are not neoliberals not matter how much new age socialist and progressive try to slander them as that. That is why I gave the scenario of why it could be good, to show that at the end of the day it is ideology that breeds certain policies. It wasn’t to insult you, it was to just make that point.

-My third paragraph was in response to this.....

I mean, if BBB is successful--and that is a BIG if--what is the "best-case scenario" over the next 20 years? That two dozens wildly wealthy families of NBA pottery picks enrich themselves even further and put a small dent in the athletic corporate establishment? OK, that's fine, but we should understand that's where the potential benefits of this would end.
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You're trying to project the best-case scenario of LaVar and copycat’s actions, on the corporate establishment. So, I focused my answer in the context of what their success would mean. I'm sorry you had to restate your point at nauseam, but I tried to best answer the question in the context it was asked.

Last I was not trying to be combative but it was a reach to say I derided you for comment in the political thread. All I need was try to point out the other factors at play with what you wanted, and it was kinda a stretch to assume what you did regarding the man's motive. Now you say you don't have the interest to debate this issue because of my stamina to defend the man, ok whatever. But it was not me that brought his name up, you did, and you brought him up to imply I was being hypocritical, which I wasn't.
 
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Embiid will play 70 games next year :pimp:

He was walking around Philly with a Joel Embiid Savage tee last night
 
the only reason you dweebs know bout her health condition is because they were already trying to drive a wedge
 
StillIn729 said:
Embiid will play 70 games next year
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He was walking around Philly with a Joel Embiid Savage tee last night
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was it a red shirt ? 

70 games...iono bout dah
 
I don't even drop 200 on actual sneakers anymore :lol:

I do think the flip flops and sneakers actually look nice though
 
RustyShackleford said:
-If you want to keep making the assertion of the "revolutionary" sentiment going on in this thread, I'm going to need receipts. Who are these people giving LaVar a blank check, or saying this is a replacement for more systemic changes. Dudes are happy for the brother, when he oversteps people that support him have been critical. I can understand you having an issue with this sentiment in general. but I really don't see it being this rampant in this thread.

-American's problem with capitalism can't just be labeled as neoliberalism and be done with it. There can be conditions where labor has too much power, too much money is being spent on the welfare state that it creates poverty traps and markets are over regulated. We definitely so not live in this world though. But If we lived in that world I would be begging for some "neoliberalism". Neoliberalism seems to have just become a buzzword more than anything to vilify market solutions and free trade.

-There doesn't have to be something deeper than a couple black families finessed the situation to their advantage. So what, good for them, who are they hurting? Why should I shed tears for Nike and Adidas. Yes we have to be weary of black people using the utility they gain from supporting black business as a replacement for true economic justice, then again supporting black folk in capitalist endeavors and fighting for socialist solutions problems don't have to be mutually exclusive. LaVar and the rest of dem black families can get dat coins, and I will be happy for them, but Imma want them to run them tax dollars to fund single payer, job programs, education grants, etc.

-Obama and Umar Johnson are not the same. Obama took 2 million of his own money to donate to a program that social scientist have proven to make a difference, he committed and act of charity, and lets remember the brother fought year after year for jobs programs. Umar Johnson ran around and demanded black people give him money to get his school and shamed black people that didn't support his cause. Anyone with sense could have spotted the finesse move that would have came next. Proper context matters
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SunDOOBIE said:
Self promotion with little to go on. Lonzo's UCLA career was lackluster (look at his stats 14,. 7, 6... highest scored game was 24), highlight reel is passive at best, tournament game vs Kentucky in a prime time National Audience saw him struggle against De'Aaron Fox, and I remember the major news about the Ball family out here in So Cal was about LaMelo when he scored 92 in a high school game.

I can understand if Lonzo was Lebron going into the NBA with a multitude of talent far exceeding the average, but we're talking about Lonzo and a possible draft bust promoting a $500 shoe. Hilarious! I hope Lavar keeps up the trolling because this is pure entertainment.
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Lackluster career?? You gotta be trolling with this. Lonzo destroyed the UCLA freshman season assist record. He was 20 assists shy of breaking the Pac-12 single season assist record. Number 2 on that list. Soooo better than Jason Kidd, Gary Payton, Damon Stoudamire, etc.

Either you didn't watch this kid play more than 1 game against Kentucky(he still had 14 points/7assists in an earlier season win), you are trolling, you are high, or all of the above.
 
calibeebee said:
SunDOOBIE said:
Self promotion with little to go on. Lonzo's UCLA career was lackluster (look at his stats 14,. 7, 6... highest scored game was 24), highlight reel is passive at best, tournament game vs Kentucky in a prime time National Audience saw him struggle against De'Aaron Fox, and I remember the major news about the Ball family out here in So Cal was about LaMelo when he scored 92 in a high school game.

I can understand if Lonzo was Lebron going into the NBA with a multitude of talent far exceeding the average, but we're talking about Lonzo and a possible draft bust promoting a $500 shoe. Hilarious! I hope Lavar keeps up the trolling because this is pure entertainment.
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Lackluster career?? You gotta be trolling with this. Lonzo destroyed the UCLA freshman season assist record. He was 20 assists shy of breaking the Pac-12 single season assist record. Number 2 on that list. Soooo better than Jason Kidd, Gary Payton, Damon Stoudamire, etc.

Either you didn't watch this kid play more than 1 game against Kentucky(he still had 14 points/7assists in an earlier season win), you are trolling, you are high, or all of the above.
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Nah, just another person ignorantly willing to discredit the kid because his father has a big mouth (that doesn't affect them in the slightest).
 
drewbrzy said:
RustyShackleford said:
-If you want to keep making the assertion of the "revolutionary" sentiment going on in this thread, I'm going to need receipts. Who are these people giving LaVar a blank check, or saying this is a replacement for more systemic changes. Dudes are happy for the brother, when he oversteps people that support him have been critical. I can understand you having an issue with this sentiment in general. but I really don't see it being this rampant in this thread.


-American's problem with capitalism can't just be labeled as neoliberalism and be done with it. There can be conditions where labor has too much power, too much money is being spent on the welfare state that it creates poverty traps and markets are over regulated. We definitely so not live in this world though. But If we lived in that world I would be begging for some "neoliberalism". Neoliberalism seems to have just become a buzzword more than anything to vilify market solutions and free trade.


-There doesn't have to be something deeper than a couple black families finessed the situation to their advantage. So what, good for them, who are they hurting? Why should I shed tears for Nike and Adidas. Yes we have to be weary of black people using the utility they gain from supporting black business as a replacement for true economic justice, then again supporting black folk in capitalist endeavors and fighting for socialist solutions problems don't have to be mutually exclusive. LaVar and the rest of dem black families can get dat coins, and I will be happy for them, but Imma want them to run them tax dollars to fund single payer, job programs, education grants, etc.


-Obama and Umar Johnson are not the same. Obama took 2 million of his own money to donate to a program that social scientist have proven to make a difference, he committed and act of charity, and lets remember the brother fought year after year for jobs programs. Umar Johnson ran around and demanded black people give him money to get his school and shamed black people that didn't support his cause. Anyone with sense could have spotted the finesse move that would have came next. Proper context matters
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Please refer to my post at the top of this page.
 
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