The Ultimate Soccer Thread 2012-2013 Vol. 3 Premier League, La Liga, Serie A, Bundesliga etc

[mastamind89]

@DeadlineDayLive Wolfsburg are in discussions with Bayern Munich over the transfer of midfielder Luiz Gustavo. (Source: Sky Italia)

 

[lyonbc1]

Seems like Arsenal's Zelalem & Bayern's Green have done well in friendlies...

They really have. I'm just hoping the US can lock them down but that's no walk in the park when you're going up against Germany. Apparently JK has talked a lot of Zelalem but he hasn't received his US passport yet. And I think his dad wants him to play for Germany.

The only way they would come to play for the USNT is if they can't get any playing time for Germany. If they want to further their development, they'd be best suited to stay overseas.

I like what Klinsmann is doing, but we're not close to being able to compete for WC or offer the technical/tactical skills clubs & NTs abroad can offer.

Well of course but it's all wishful thinking and at this rate, if all goes well, they'll certainly have a chance. But not even just the WC but also the Euro's as well. Has anyone come across a list of German-American players playing in Europe, mainly the Bundesliga?

I think there's one somewhere on the BigSoccer yanks abroad list. Also there's Shawn Parker who plays for Mainz in the BL, he's very highly rated by apparently klinsy has been in touch and is keen on getting him on the US team...I think Zelalem is a list cause bc he isn't a citizen yet? but Green and maybe Parker are possible. Greens dad is still really involved with him and he comes to Tampa frequently and he's a retired serviceman, I think they have a really good chance of getting him since he's played for our u18s. Parker is really entrenched in the German youth setup but you never know

There's also apparently a 17yr old Brazilian-American named Kenedy (after JFK ) who is a BEAST but that'll probably take til 2018 at minimum before he even considers switching

 

[imasoleman18]

when are you guys going to learn, until they are holding up a shirt, dont even bother wasting your time posting arsenal transfer rumors

 

[fear the ibis]

People just need to use common sense. Arsenal spending 40 mil on Suarez? Buying Chelsea, their biggest rival's, best player after that team's Manager has already said the player wouldn't be sold?

Some people need to have their head examined for even thinking these rumors are remotely plausible.

 

[mastamind89]

LyonBC1, I looked him up Roberth Kenedy Nunes plays for Fluminense

Kid is trash

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Here is a quick summary of his performance at the Al Kass international cup and his abilities.

Spoiler: Warning: Spoiler!

"Commanding, fearless, at times majestic; there were at least some similarities between the Fluminense winger at Al Kass and the former US senator of the same name. 16-year-old Robert Nunes, known by his nickname Kenedy, put in some breathtaking performances in Qatar, helping O Tricolor go all the way to the final and usurp PSG as champions, scoring the third penalty of the final shootout.


Another inventive, crafty winger with ability to play on either flank or centrally, Kenedy occupied either the left or ride hand side for Flu in Qatar, swapping flanks whenever necessary.
A wonderful dribbler boasting a frighteningly powerful left foot, Kenedy scored two goals and provided several assists, using his Neymar-esque technique and speed to beat opponents comfortably and unbalance defences. Kenedy has already represented Brazil at Under-17 level but, just for good measure, is also eligible for the USA."

There's some vids in this thread:
http://www.bigsoccer.com/community/threads/roberth-kenedy-nunes-at-fluminense.1982520/page-2

But he's young so only time will tell. In terms of physical build, he reminds me of the French players from the youth squads who look really physically mature

 

[ice city fc]

The only way they would come to play for the USNT is if they can't get any playing time for Germany. If they want to further their development, they'd be best suited to stay overseas.

I like what Klinsmann is doing, but we're not close to being able to compete for WC or offer the technical/tactical skills clubs & NTs abroad can offer.

Well of course but it's all wishful thinking

and at this rate, if all goes well, they'll certainly have a chance. But not even just the WC but also the Euro's as well. Has anyone come across a list of German-American players playing in Europe, mainly the Bundesliga?

I think there's one somewhere on the BigSoccer yanks abroad list. Also there's Shawn Parker who plays for Mainz in the BL, he's very highly rated by apparently klinsy has been in touch and is keen on getting him on the US team...I think Zelalem is a list cause bc he isn't a citizen yet? but Green and maybe Parker are possible. Greens dad is still really involved with him and he comes to Tampa frequently and he's a retired serviceman, I think they have a really good chance of getting him since he's played for our u18s. Parker is really entrenched in the German youth setup but you never know

There's also apparently a 17yr old Brazilian-American named Kenedy (after JFK

) who is a BEAST but that'll probably take til 2018 at minimum before he even considers switching

I actually think the disparity in strength between the German and US. programs works in our favor.  You can develop into damn near a world class player and not even be among the fringes of the German squad. A young dual national who's A team material for the U.S. has to ask himself do I compete on the international stage and experience World Cups? Or do I accept not having a career as an international? or sitting behind Gotze or Muller or Khedira in my prime? 

I really really hope we get Brooks and Green though, I'm not as optimistic about our chances with Zelalem.

 

[lyonbc1]

@Mastamind c'mon now everyone has some horrible sitters in their catalog but I agree he does seem to be well developed for his age, but hopefully he is really good just not quite good enough to make Brazil but that'll take a long whole to play out I'd bet bc if he's good enough for brazil then were not even on his radar

@IceCity I agree also w/ that, that's why I think it'll be easier to get a guy like Green bc the German midfield is loaded for years so he'd have to wait til 2018 at the earliest in all likelihood to even get a bench spot...plus they develop young players really well so they probably won't sweat losing out on a couple guys, I don't think any of the German-Americans we have are good enough to make the full German NT. I know Jones played friendlies and Fab was on their U21 euro team but still. I think Brooks and Green are like 60-40 toward the US but well see soon. I think the same will be the case for the Kenedy kid, since Brazil is ridiculously talented they have guys who'd never make their NT who could be stars for other countries with less depth. I didn't know US servicemen got down like that in Germany though

 

[ice city fc]

@IceCity I agree also w/ that, that's why I think it'll be easier to get a guy like Green bc the German midfield is loaded for years so he'd have to wait til 2018 at the earliest in all likelihood to even get a bench spot...plus they develop young players really well so they probably won't sweat losing out on a couple guys, I don't think any of the German-Americans we have are good enough to make the full German NT. I know Jones played friendlies and Fab was on their U21 euro team but still. I think Brooks and Green are like 60-40 toward the US but well see soon. I think the same will be the case for the Kenedy kid, since Brazil is ridiculously talented they have guys who'd never make their NT who could be stars for other countries with less depth. I didn't know US servicemen got down like that in Germany though

 My grandfather served in Germany for over eight years, he shares a surname with one of the German-Americans mentioned. I've always wondered. 

Nah but seriously he told me stories about how there were military groupies crawling all over certain regions in Germany. 

 

[Thierry Henry]

What's this Falcao fake age story I'm hearing about?



You guys know I don't like this guy, but holy **** look at those legs!! O_0 no homo

 

[Coupé It]

Ronaldo is like the LeBron James of football (Physically). He's the perfect football specimen.

Not even fair

Anyone know his vertical?

 

[nychiphophippo]

Ronaldo is like the LeBron James of football (Physically). He's the perfect football specimen.

Not even fair

Anyone know his vertical?

don't know if you've seen this, but if not you'll definitely be interested



it's like a better sports science. it goes over his vert in one of the four parts.

 

[Deleted member 38182]

but is he clutch?

 

[jada2001retro]

but is he clutch?

Without a doubt.

 

[Trey Bantz]

Former Paraguay and Newell's boss Tata Martino to be the Barcelona's next coach. He's not well known outside of South America, but as someone who follows Argentina's Primera Division I can tell you this is a great hire for Barca.

Here's a link to the Goal.com article: http://www.goal.com/en-us/news/88/s...barcelona-set-to-appoint-martino?ICID=HP_HN_1

 

[jumpmantwenty3]

Emirates got Real too? what is that, like 4 top teams that they're now sponsoring? How the hell is an airline bleeding this much cash

 

[Thierry Henry]

^that oil money long b


I had a question regarding squad numbers. How do players get their numbers? Is it by the position they play? Similar to American football?

 

[mastamind89]

LyonBC1: Is this why you mentioned Parker before?
@twelfthyank Was reading through ESPNFC's transfer blog just now and found this. Are you seeing what I'm seeing?!

For those who want to follow the U-18 team who will be playing in the Milk Cup, the roster was released earlier today

GOALKEEPERS (2): Santiago Castaño (New York Red Bulls; Union City), Ethan Horvath (Molde FK; Highlands Ranch, Colo.)

DEFENDERS (6): Jordan Allen (Empire Revolution; Rochester, N.Y.), Michael Amick (De Anza Force; Sunnyvale, Calif.), Trevor Haberkorn (Furman; Roanoke, Texas), Matthew Miazga (New York Red Bulls; Clifton, N.J.), Shaquell Moore (Unattached; Powder Springs, Ga.), John Requejo Jr. (Real So Cal; Carpinteria, Calif.)

MIDFIELDERS (3): Brian Iloski (LA Galaxy; Escondido, Calif.), Jacori Hayes (Wake Forest; Bowie, Md.), Christopher Lema (New York Red Bulls; Ridgefield, N.J.)

FORWARDS (7): Lynden Gooch (Sunderland; Santa Cruz, Calif.), Piakai Henkel (Unattached; Arcata, Calif.), Alex Muyl (New York Red Bulls; New York, N.Y.), Amando Moreno (New York Red Bulls; Morganville, N.J.), Andrija Novakovich (Chicago Magic PSG; Muskego, Wis.), Rubio Rubin (Unattached; Beaverton, Ore.), Ahinga Selemani (CSA Wolves; Ann Arbor, Mich.)

Nice to see some RBNY kids getting called up. I can't help but to feel concerned by the lack of kids from MLS clubs.
Piakai Henkel was at PSG, looks like he left. I wonder what he reasoning was and where he's headed

 

[Trey Bantz]

^that oil money long b


I had a question regarding squad numbers. How do players get their numbers? Is it by the position they play? Similar to American football?

Numbers used to be traditionally assigned by position. Best examples are the goalkeeper as #1, defensive mid as #5, lone striker as #9, winger as #7, and of course the center attacking mid (and usually the best player on the team) as #10. Nowadays some players tend to stray from tradition, but a lot of teams and players still use this general system.

 

[Thierry Henry]

^that oil money long b


I had a question regarding squad numbers. How do players get their numbers? Is it by the position they play? Similar to American football?

Numbers used to be traditionally assigned by position. Best examples are the goalkeeper as #1, defensive mid as #5, lone striker as #9, winger as #7, and of course the center attacking mid (and usually the best player on the team) as #10. Nowadays some players tend to stray from tradition, but a lot of teams and players still use this general system.

Gotcha

Yo I know you're from down here. Do you play? We gotta link up, I live in Allapattah

 

[jada2001retro]

I think I will celebrate with a nice steak dinner when we finally sign a good player.

 

[Sinner]

Japan PE...

 

[Trey Bantz]

Gotcha

Yo I know you're from down here. Do you play? We gotta link up, I live in Allapattah

Wish I could still play like I used to in high school. Between the LSAT, Law School applications, and finishing up my undergrad degree I just don't have time to go out and play anymore.

 

[Coupé It]

don't know if you've seen this, but if not you'll definitely be interested



it's like a better sports science. it goes over his vert in one of the four parts.

Yea I actually have seen this a while back, Ronaldo is just ridiculous. I wish he'd do the NFL combine one year lol.

 

[mastamind89]

I happened to come across this. I don't recall reading about this before nor recalling that it was posted on here. It's from back in April. If it was already posted, my mistake.

Peter Siemsen, President of Fluminense Football Club, 'We Will Buy a Soccer Team in the USA'

Spoiler: Warning: Spoiler!

Peter Siemsen, president of Brazil’s Fluminense football club, spoke at an event organized by the Latin American Business Association (LABA) at Columbia Business School in New York last Saturday. I am used to covering high profile events where thought leaders speak about their views on where the world is heading. However, it was the first time I have seen the president of a Brazilian soccer club sharing the panel with a stellar team of speakers with the caliber of Alfredo Capote, head of investment banking at Citi in Mexico and Sandy Severino, partner at BTG Pactual, a Brazilian Investment banking with more than $60 billion in assets under management.

Peter Siemsen is definitively not similar to the average president of a Brazilian soccer club. He speaks English flawlessly, was educated in Brazil’s leading academic institutions and is a partner at Dannemann, Siemsen, Bigler & Ipanema Moreira, one of the most respected Brazilian law firms in the field of intellectual property, with over 1100 employees. Fluminense is also very different from the average Brazilian soccer club. According to Siemsen, “Fluminense is the only soccer club in Brazil to have over 50% of its fans coming from classes A and B.” There are several different concepts of social classes in Brazil, but the most adopted classifies social groups in letters from A to E. Following this definition, household’s gross monthly income from class A/B must be above $2500.

Peter Siemsen revealed Fluminense’s plans to buy a soccer team in the USA:

Our goal is to find a soccer team in the US and bring Fluminense’s name, jersey, brand, and excellence in soccer management. It can be very positive since here in the US there is a sense of community around local soccer clubs. We are aiming to acquire an American soccer team playing not in the Major League Soccer (MLS) but in one of the two secondary leagues [NASL or USL].

It is part of our international expansion master plan. We will strength not only Fluminense’s brand but also our image of excellence in soccer management at the same time that we develop new consumer markets. At first, our main goal is definitively not related to buying and selling soccer players. We already have partnerships with other clubs to do that around the world.”

Currently, Fluminense has around 30 players on loan all over the world including players on Spain, Italy, Norway, Sweden, Portugal and many other countries. The president has definitively been doing his homework about the American soccer market:

The MLS is doing a tremendous work. We can even watch MLS soccer matches in Brazilian TV on Sunday evenings. It is impressive the smart way the league has been growing by building cheap and small but yet extremely comfortable stadiums. As a consequence, areas that do not have a huge Latin America population like Portland and Seattle, see their teams playing at sold-out stadiums almost every single match. This has a huge importance in terms of the growing marketing potential of the league.”

Indeed, the MLS has been growing exponentially. Ten years ago only one MLS team played in a soccer stadium. Today, 14 have their own. Most people are not aware but the MLS has the third-highest average attendance in sports in the US, only behind the National Football League and Major League Baseball. Naturally, NBA arenas are way smaller and hold fewer fans.

Asked about partnerships with Brazilian companies to support this project, Siemsen replied, “It is premature to talk to any company. Considering the cost of the project, what makes more sense for us is to get in alone and see if we need a company as a partner later on. Fluminense’s main partner in the U.S. currently is 2SV Sports, managed by Ricardo Villar, a Brazilian who played professional soccer in the USA, and is helping us on this front as well.”

I talked to Ricardo Villar over the phone, “It is not a simple process but Fluminense is ready to explore this opportunity. 2SV Sports helped Fluminense to bring Rafael Augusto on loan to DC United and we understand the local market better than anyone else. For instance, I am travelling to Barcelona this week to meet with Flavio Augusto, who sold Wiseup for about $500 million and bought soccer team Orlando City.”

Peter mentioned that “The plan is to bring about 8 Brazilian players from Fluminense to be the core of the team.” Ricardo Villar explained that “Fluminense will probably bring more players than the maximum allowed to play in the local league since some might be quickly transferred to other clubs in the MLS.”

Asked about the location of the soccer team, Villar mentioned that it will most likely be in the East Coast but that “Peter will be here in May and we should define soon.”

Fluminense Football Club, the current champion of Brazil’s national soccer championship, wants to take the U.S. by storm. In June, Fluminense’s professional team will spend seven days in Orlando, practice two days in Disney and play a friendly match against Orlando city. Fluminense also participates in a project that helps Brazilian high school graduates fluent in English to get soccer scholarships to go to college in the US.

To buy a team in one of the two secondary leagues may be the most cost effective solution for Fluminense since Bloomberg stated that Manchester City could spend as much as $100 million to fetch an expansion soccer team in NYC with a new stadium late last year. According to Annie Karni, the first concept pictures of a new soccer stadium in Queens were revealed at Columbia Graduate School of Architecture early this year.

Marcelo Barbosa, Columbia MBA student and organizer of the event said, “”Peter Siemsen brought professionalism and credibility back to Fluminense. The plan for international expansion of Fluminense’s brand is innovative and bold, but I truly believe that the moment is right. Fluminesne is the current champions of Brazil national league and is playing the fourth Libertadores da América in the last six years. This is the moment to rebuild Fluminense’s brand and to put the club back at the forefront of Brazilian football.”

Will Fluminense Football Club go ahead and buy a soccer team in the USA? Time will tell. However, I believe we can expect anything from the man who managed to reduce Fluminense’s financial losses from R$ 40 million to R$3 million in only two years while being national champion.

 

[Beans]

United must know of either Cesc's willingness to leave or Barca's willingness to sell, why else would we continue to bid for an unattainable player. Could end up like Thiago Silva with Milan, he didnt wanna leave but the club couldnt refuse the money. Ionno, doesnt make sense to publicly chase a player, if you dont think you will be able to sign him. Especially after the last couple misses and the bitterness it left with us supporters. Cant see Moyes wanting to start his time with us as a manager who couldn’t deliver... so weird seeing us with a manager who publically talks so opening about transfers.