Yooo, Kanye on Sway in the Morning. (updated)

[RIP sleazyy]

Ye ain't fooling me...

I know crack head behavior when I see it.

See a black man trying to be on a creative level of some of the greats and break down doors to industries that aren't traditionally for us.... Crackhead Behavior & He must be crazy & Gay

See a black man profiting off negative behavior and stereotypes about violence, selling drugs etc etc.... Dude out getting his bread he's a hustla

funny how that works..... everytime a black man has something to say about a bigger entity suddenly they have gone crazy, are on drugs, or should be shamed for disrespecting their chance.

I'm glad someone else noticed that.

the white man's holding us back.................... unless you're Kanye, then it's your fault


whole lotta marketing majors in here

 

[stillin729]

Was this in NY? I saw the same thing. And that was also my 1 and only campout and it was 4 hours.

There is actually a picture of me pressed up against a gate from that riot.

Dudes jumping in line, bringing hobos. Cats brandishing weapons.

Me and my dudes from the LES got what we came for though. We would not be deined.

Yup NT NY; I came from Philly for it

The riots were really about to go down that day; I remember dudes laughing at ESPO's Kramer hair having no clue it was even him yet that was the shoe they all wanted

A lot of cats were heated when they got stuck with the women's shoe only which I think was Serena Williams?

 

[str8drop]

 

 

See here's the thing....and I know you don't like "specifics".

You can say whatever you want about what may/may not happen if Nike does a sneaker with Ross.

But again, I've seen riots for an unpopular model designed by a grafitti artist. That actually happened.

How can you explain such a thing if the personality is supposedly the driver moreso than the sneaker itself or the MARKETING (supply/demand/availability/potential for resale etc.) behind it?

You can't.

Maybe i'm understanding this wrong but if it's an initially unpopular model and suddenly an graffiti designs it and it's worth and value goes up i would assume the personality is the catalyst behind this rather then the shoe company itself, considering the company has had the sneakers in rotation much longer and they were unpopular.

AIn't no way in hell Espo alone is causing riots

They were out there because they are "limited" and because of their resale value.

Hence my mentioning all those other sneaker initially. Galaxy Foams. Parra + Patta Air Max. Pigeon and Tiffany Dunks.

There isn't a rapper guiding the demand for those sneakers. It's the lack of supply that is the driver more than anything.

Exactly 

Not saying it being Kanye's shoe didn't help cause I'm sure it did but the fact that they're limited and have potential resale value is probably the driving force behind

the "frenzy"

It's like that with a lot of stuff nowadays, go watch a supreme online drop sell out and watch how fast 50+ listings of said item pop up on eBay 

These are the same reasons I think that type of hype can be replicated with Adidas tho. They might not fetch the same profit for buyers but exclusive + perceived resale value will have anything flying off the shelves, add in the celebrity factor and it's over

 

[heliumclinton]

Dudes acting like if the Yeezys were a GR they would still be as valuable they didn't cop because they're Kanye's they copped because they're limited. Sell out a shoe that everyone can have and then talk about how innovative you are ala Jordan Xmas releases.

 

[johnnyderp]

You can use slang without sounding like a child and a moron.

Maybe you're realize that when you turn 25?
I can tell you for certain you are NOT an old man at 24. You might actually be 24 going on 15.

ahah, 24 going on 15. its funny because normally 25 comes after 24!

 

[stillin729]

Someone is 1 chromosome short of 46

 

[superb]

Haha sway man fck this mics we can turn them off and turn up if u want Bro lol

 

[RIP sleazyy]

Someone is 1 chromosome short of 46

that's not funny, b.

 

[johnnyderp]

Someone is 1 chromosome short of 46

Son you've been talking to yourself for this entire thread. Address people directly.

 

[trynafeelmink]

So we've now veered off into Reebok and LV when I thought we were discussing Kanye and Nike.

S Carters were based on a Gucci shoe. Which had a lot to do with it's appeal.

Not sure about the LVs. But again, if they were perceived as "limited" in some capacity, then you need to account for resellers and the black market when it comes to the demand for certain sneakers.

As I've pointed out repeatedly in regards to sneakers NOT attached to an artist.

Well you are the master of detail correct?

well i've detailed two collabs that have sold out immediately after attaching their name to a big artist. Those same brands weren't selling out shoes prior to those collabs and after those collabs none were.

To go back to Nike alone do you know how many random quickstrike sneakers Nike drops that are limited that don't create any sort of buzz at all. But if your going to sit here and argue that Kanye's name has nothing to do with the yeezy's selling out then so be it you win.

Had nike released that exact same sneaker, same numbers, same colorways and released them as a regular shoe with no name attached they aren't flying off shelves. Period.

 

[illphillip]

Exactly 

Not saying it being Kanye's shoe didn't help cause I'm sure it did but the fact that they're limited and have potential resale value is probably the driving force behind
the "frenzy"

It's like that with a lot of stuff nowadays, go watch a supreme online drop sell out and watch how fast 50+ listings of said item pop up on eBay 

These are the same reasons I think that type of hype can be replicated with Adidas tho. They might not fetch the same profit for buyers but exclusive + perceived resale value will have anything flying off the shelves, add in the celebrity factor and it's over

Adidas has pulled this off before. The 25th Anniversary Superstars.

Cats were after the most limited models. I was after as many pairs of the NY joints as I could get.

Honestly, I'm sure they'll do fine with this release. They just don't have the market share of brand loyalty to the level that Nike does.

 

[bilboshmangins]

Johnnyslurp....

Derp derp derp

 

[stillin729]

Son you've been talking to yourself for this entire thread. Address people directly.

well you already know it's about you so

 

[illphillip]

So we've now veered off into Reebok and LV when I thought we were discussing Kanye and Nike.

S Carters were based on a Gucci shoe. Which had a lot to do with it's appeal.

Not sure about the LVs. But again, if they were perceived as "limited" in some capacity, then you need to account for resellers and the black market when it comes to the demand for certain sneakers.

As I've pointed out repeatedly in regards to sneakers NOT attached to an artist.

Well you are the master of detail correct?

well i've detailed two collabs that have sold out immediately after attaching their name to a big artist. Those same brands weren't selling out shoes prior to those collabs and after those collabs none were.

To go back to Nike alone do you know how many random quickstrike sneakers Nike drops that are limited that don't create any sort of buzz at all. But if your going to sit here and argue that Kanye's name has nothing to do with the yeezy's selling out then so be it you win.

Right. But what you didn't detail was whether or not the releases were limited in both cases (which I pretty clearly pointed out about the LVs).

And that's been my point all along. I've listed sneakers that have created pandemonium with no artist partnership.

You ask "do you know how many random quickstrike sneakers Nike drops that are limited that don't create any sort of buzz at all" without giving a single example.



And I already addressed the S. Carters.

Ain't no win or lose in this.

I don't know how many times I need to say this. Kanye is a popular artist. CLEARLY has many passionate fans. Some to the point of being irrational.

So I'm not saying that no one bought his sneakers because of him or that he isn't "influential". What I'm saying is a lot of that is greatly exaggerated. Especially when you can see the that so much of this has been done before, long before Kanye.

And I'll leave it at that.

 

[rustlenomics]

in this thread people that paid over 1K for yeezys trying to justify why they paid so much.

 

[ksteezy]

Right. But what you didn't detail was whether or not the releases were limited in both cases (which I pretty clearly pointed out about the LVs).

And that's been my point all along. I've listed sneakers that have created pandemonium with no artist partnership.

You ask "do you know how many random quickstrike sneakers Nike drops that are limited that don't create any sort of buzz at all" without giving a single example.



And I already addressed the S. Carters.

Ain't no win or lose in this.

I don't know how many times I need to say this. Kanye is a popular artist. CLEARLY has many passionate fans. Some to the point of being irrational.

So I'm not saying that no one bought his sneakers because of him or that he isn't "influential". What I'm saying is a lot of that is greatly exaggerated. Especially when you can see the that so much of this has been done before, long before Kanye.

And I'll leave it at that.

A lot of LV sneakers/loafers/shoes are seasonal and don't get restocked, so in essense, yes they are somewhat limited...I don't think his LV collab was treated any different than say the LV Elans....yet I was able to cop a pair of Elans about a year after they dropped just by randomly walking into a store....

Let's talk the Millionaires, another instance where it wasn't so much the brand (LV) which pushed the product but the artist endorsement (Jay-Z, KANYE WEST) to the point that even the poor mans millionaires, the Evidences started selling out everywhere too because the Millis were simply impossible to find at retail and were going for at least 3x above retail on the resellers market.

Point is these long standing luxury brands don't need to attach these artists to their products, they were here before them and will continue to be here after, same for Nike, but to say attaching a certain individuals name to a product or getting that nod from some of these people doesn't help push their producers faster is ridiculous..

I mean Jay single handedly shut down Iceberg.

 

[stillin729]

Remember when DJ Proto J gifted some dude like $1400 through Paypal and got scammed for Yeezy 2's

Spending $1400 for sneakers but trying to save $45 in Paypal fees

 

[nawghtyhare]

Remember when DJ Proto J gifted some dude like $1400 through Paypal and got scammed for Yeezy 2's

Spending $1400 for sneakers but trying to save $45 in Paypal fees

 

[illphillip]

A lot of LV sneakers/loafers/shoes are seasonal and don't get restocked, so in essense, yes they are somewhat limited...I don't think his LV collab was treated any different than say the LV Elans....yet I was able to cop a pair of Elans about a year after they dropped just by randomly walking into a store....

Let's talk the Millionaires, another instance where it wasn't so much the brand (LV) which pushed the product but the artist endorsement (Jay-Z, KANYE WEST) to the point that even the poor mans millionaires, the Evidences started selling out everywhere too because the Millis were simply impossible to find at retail and were going for at least 3x above retail on the resellers market.

Point is these long standing luxury brands don't need to attach these artists to their products, they were here before them and will continue to be here after, same for Nike, but to say attaching a certain individuals name to a product or getting that nod from some of these people doesn't help push their producers faster is ridiculous..

I mean Jay single handedly shut down Iceberg.

You don't "think" but you don't know. OK.

I KNOW Nike has built hysteria around sneakers well before Kanye, and even recently for sneakers that have nothing to do with Kanye.

Feel free to take what I just typed and apply it to what you just typed. Here it is again since you managed to quote it but not absorb any of it.

I don't know how many times I need to say this. Kanye is a popular artist. CLEARLY has many passionate fans. Some to the point of being irrational.

So I'm not saying that no one bought his sneakers because of him or that he isn't "influential". What I'm saying is a lot of that is greatly exaggerated. Especially when you can see the that so much of this has been done before, long before Kanye.

And I'll leave it at that.

 

[mitchellicious]

The problem with his outbursts and acting like a jerk all the time is that now, even if he does start up his own label, people will be hesitant to support it because he's such a giant doucher

 

[ksteezy]

So what exactly are you arguing with me about?....because I never said nike needed Kanye to build hype....

 

[nawghtyhare]

So what exactly are you arguing with me about?....because I never said nike needed Kanye to build hype....

i thought thats what this has been about since like page 3

 

[ksteezy]

i thought thats what this has been about since like page 3

Nah since the jump, NTers wanna be selective and take out of context certain posts, in order to formulate some BS argument...

26 page troll fest,

 

[stillin729]

If you dropped over a $1000 for Yeezy's then this is thread is just a self justification piece

 

[nawghtyhare]

i thought thats what this has been about since like page 3

Nah since the jump, NTers wanna be selective and take out of context certain posts, in order to formulate some BS argument...

26 page troll fest,

true
ur original argument was that kanye was influential when me and others said he really wasnt, am i right???