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Yo boy Tim dogg got his *** saved in SF from 2pac
.Does/Did Tupac have street cred
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Man, sit yo hatin *** down somewhere. What's really good though... A Cali dude run up on u back in the days? Or better yet snatch yo beezy?
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Are you serious? I don't care what kind of dirtbag Tim Dog was, but '**** Compton' was a real *** song. Tell me what he said in that song that wasn't the truth? Dumb brothers fighting over colors, they some dumb *************. He went hard as hell on Compton rappers, and all the rappers from there that was worth anything came up with nothing. Quik, CMW, NWA, damn they had to get Snoop from LB to diss, which was very wack. And if those rappers were all "gangsta gangsta" and all that noise, why didn't they do anything? Why was it some fairy's from Frisco and not the hard *** bangers from Compton that tried to step to Tim Dog?
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....I thought he explicitly expressed in his music that he WASN'T affiliated
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Uh have u listened to his last 2 albums?
....I thought he explicitly expressed in his music that he WASN'T affiliated
Dot is a Piru always has been trust me I KNOW
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It's all good breh...continue on with your default historian exercise. Got fams on both sides of the line and theres one love in between at times. Govt/politics/capital ****** it up. But u don't hear me thoughAre you serious? I don't care what kind of dirtbag Tim Dog was, but '**** Compton' was a real *** song. Tell me what he said in that song that wasn't the truth? Dumb brothers fighting over colors, they some dumb *************. He went hard as hell on Compton rappers, and all the rappers from there that was worth anything came up with nothing. Quik, CMW, NWA, damn they had to get Snoop from LB to diss, which was very wack. And if those rappers were all "gangsta gangsta" and all that noise, why didn't they do anything? Why was it some fairy's from Frisco and not the hard *** bangers from Compton that tried to step to Tim Dog?
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Did you listen to gkmc?
in almost every skit you heard blood this and blood that "we seen ***** in colors we didn't like then start interrogating"
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lmao conscious rappers 8anging and dudes co-signing
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Clearly u know nothin bout Kendrick if u didnt know he was Red Flaggin
lmao conscious rappers 8anging and dudes co-signing
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I read that Campanella Park Pirus beef with Hoovers and Tragniew Park Crips.
Isn't Schoolboy Q from 52 Hoover? And MC Eiht is definitely Tragniew Park.
How is it that Kendrick ends up making music with them?
Isn't Schoolboy Q from 52 Hoover? And MC Eiht is definitely Tragniew Park.
How is it that Kendrick ends up making music with them?
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Same way Nip do songs with Game, Jay Rock etc
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I was in 6th grade when Pac died and never got into him. But I did watch documentaries on him and this legacy of his is fascinating how far it reached.
I was telling my friend the other day Pac's thug image was Knight's work to sell records. He was an instigator, loud mouth, and a disturber who talked just for show.Then that world he created caught up to him. Her response was, well it does not mean he didn't engage or do gangster stuff on the side and behind the scenes. -_-
I agree that he was an amazing artist and a great poet, but Death Row created his image and knew how to sell him to the masses to profit off of him.
I have a few questions. ..So him and Biggie were good until that shooting/robbery set up at Quad studios? So was that really was Henchmen and Haitian Jack's doing? Did Puffy and Big know? Why did they want to rob Pac? So this whole east coast vs. west coast feud started because of mob business in the industry?
Was Pac still living in NYC but with Interscope at the time then right?
When did he get ran out of NYC? I know he joined Death Row after Suge bailed him out. Is that when he moved to L.A. and started repping West side?
I was telling my friend the other day Pac's thug image was Knight's work to sell records. He was an instigator, loud mouth, and a disturber who talked just for show.Then that world he created caught up to him. Her response was, well it does not mean he didn't engage or do gangster stuff on the side and behind the scenes. -_-
I agree that he was an amazing artist and a great poet, but Death Row created his image and knew how to sell him to the masses to profit off of him.
I have a few questions. ..So him and Biggie were good until that shooting/robbery set up at Quad studios? So was that really was Henchmen and Haitian Jack's doing? Did Puffy and Big know? Why did they want to rob Pac? So this whole east coast vs. west coast feud started because of mob business in the industry?
Was Pac still living in NYC but with Interscope at the time then right?
When did he get ran out of NYC? I know he joined Death Row after Suge bailed him out. Is that when he moved to L.A. and started repping West side?
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Yea JH is the 1 that set him up
Puff and Big prbly knew after the fact but they wasnt about to get involed with Tupac problems whether they was kool or not
JH wanted to teach Pac a lesson he felt like he was getting out of line
Pac was living in Georgia at the time
Pac only lasted in LA for 10 Months
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Of course Tupac has street cred!
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I did read somewhere that Pac was running his mouth and even talking big and lots of smack when he would show up in NYC. Like saying things out loud and laughing and that's disrespect if you do that in the streets.
So why did he think it was puffy and Big who set him up? Did he think they were involved with JH and also Haitian Jack?
Crazy to think the whole east coast vs. West coast feud was based on this incident. Then 2 rappers got killed out of it.
I did not know he only lived in L.A. for that short amount of time. He repped West Side like he would die there and was his roots or something.
So tupac getting killed, did it tie back to JH wanting to finish him?
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this thread takes me back 
Interesting posts going both ways on this. I'm curious how yall view biggie in this regard?
I was always a fan of east coast hip hop and especially thought biggie was way more real than pac
Interesting posts going both ways on this. I'm curious how yall view biggie in this regard?
I was always a fan of east coast hip hop and especially thought biggie was way more real than pac
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He always knew Big had nothin to do with it he said it out his own mouth that strangers in jail told him that...
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His loud *** mouth got Biggie killed. Gusto ***.
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BIG was a lyrical beast I didn't really care for the East vs West bs I knew what it was it was all Instigated by Suge over his hate for Puff he just used Pac as his mouthpiecethis thread takes me back
Interesting posts going both ways on this. I'm curious how yall view biggie in this regard?
I was always a fan of east coast hip hop and especially thought biggie was way more real than pac
BIG would have tore Pac up tho..
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Pac made way better music than biggie.
That's the greatest example of being a lyricist don't make you the best. MC means move the crowd [emoji]9757[/emoji][emoji]127998[/emoji]️
That's the greatest example of being a lyricist don't make you the best. MC means move the crowd [emoji]9757[/emoji][emoji]127998[/emoji]️
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Interesting.
I went to Google and read other theories that Puff and Biggie knew in advance. Puff and bad boy were already extorted and JH wanted to get Pac into Bad Boy so that he would be forced to get protection from them too. Something like that.
Don't know why this stuff fascinates me. Reads like a crime mob story.
I saw your other response. ..why did Suge hate Puffy from the start? Competition?
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BIG was a lyrical beast I didn't really care for the East vs West bs I knew what it was it was all Instigated by Suge over his hate for Puff he just used Pac as his mouthpiecethis thread takes me back
Interesting posts going both ways on this. I'm curious how yall view biggie in this regard?
I was always a fan of east coast hip hop and especially thought biggie was way more real than pac
BIG would have tore Pac up tho..
Man you are too much. I don't even really care but Pac must have ****** your girl back in the day. Or ya auntie or something.
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Did I say somethin wrong?Man you are too much. I don't even really care but Pac must have ****** your girl back in the day. Or ya auntie or something.
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compton prince and this stihl dude coming in here like they know what tupac was really about. fbi chasing you and fam around as kid and collecting over 4000 pages of intel on you > any street cred your favorite rapper has
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He always thought he was going to die young, and his paranoid (but very real) mindset obviously is a factor on how much he recorded.
His music developed a very paranoid tone. In July of 1996 a home movie was shot of Tupac in the studio, and his paranoia was on its way to its highest point. "We don't have the time or the luxury to spend all this time on one track. We Don't!" Tupac said frantically, his arms waving around as the orange glow of his cigarette followed.
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He wasn't wrong, two months later he would be dead.
Gloria Cox, one of his first managers said that he sad/happy on his 21st birthday, because he made it to 21, and never thought he would. She begged him to stop thinking like that as it was like "death was his twin".
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Tupac was ****** from the begging though. He had too many enemies and came from too much of a volatile political family. He spent most of his childhood on the run from the FBI as they where tracking his step father Mutulu Shakur who was on the ten most wanted list for domestic terrorism. His own mother, spent time in prison on a trial for plotting to blow up New York police departments with the infamous panther 21. His God father was geronimo pratt who was targeted by the FBI illegal Cointelpro. And his god mother is Assata Shakur who is also wanted for domestic terrorism, that Tupacs step-dad broke her out of prison and is now living in Cuba. Bush in 2003 put a $1 million reward on her head during the revival of targeting domestic terrorists at the start of the war on terror. In 2011, Jon Stewart and Bill O'Reilly had an argument over her, as Obama invited an artist to the white house who supported Assata Shakur. Fox was trying to make that out that by default the president supports her too. Tupac comes from a very serious committed family, and as a teenager he was the national chairman of the new african panthers, so he was on route to be the next leader of the movement.
Lets look at Tupacs life.
Spent his childhood running from the FBI due to the actions of the Shakurs.
At 16 became the youngest national Chairman of the New African panthers, himself then getting FBI attention. His FBI file, only 104 pages out of 4000 are released to the public, the rest 3896 pages are censored for "National Security".
Quit the New African Panthers when he believed the Nation of Islam infiltrated it, the next leader after Shakur was surprise surprise, a member of the NOI.
Got into a constant war of words with the Nation of Islam throughout his rap career. They would follow him everywhere, trying to make it look like they where associated with him. To get his approval, because he was a Shakur. Tupac hated the Nation of Islam because his family where connected to Malcolm X, and his family blame the Nation for his assassination.
Became famous to the general public when released 2pacalyspe now, becoming the legendary rapper. Immediately denounced by the Vice President Dan Quayle due to its anti-american political content. It was obvious they knew who he was by his second name, even if the average rap fan didn't.
Gets mentioned by name at the Republican Nation Convention
From the help of Mutulu Shakur from prison, starts a movement entitled "Thug Life". Tupac helps enforce truces between rival gangs, including the bloods and the crips under "Thug Life". The plan was to get them to stop killing each other, unite, police their communities, and eventually fight the government. He was seducing gang bangers and trying to turn them into soldiers. After that his life turns to **** and seems to be getting arrested and targeted by police on a weekly basis, most of which is was baseless, but people only remember him getting arrested, not acquitted. His "out of control" image increases.
Two Police officers are beating a black motorist. Tupac approaches them and they fire shots at him. Tupac goes back to his car and gets his gun and returns fire, hitting both officers, one in the thigh and one in the buttocks. The charges are dropped against Tupac when it turns out both officers are intoxicated, and the gun they used to fire against Tupac was stolen from an evidence locker. Everyone else just remembers "Tupac shot two cops".
From the help of Dan Quayle and other Republicans, they persuade family members of slain cops to sue Tupac over his music, stating that his music causes the violence. Seriously, here is even a court video of one of the cases against him in 1995
The republicans convince Time Warner to drop interscope records due to Tupac being one of their artists.
Two criminals, Haitian Jack and James "Henchman" Rosemand try to extort Tupac. He tells them to **** off and ends up on their hit list. Both later turn out to be working for the FBI since the late 80s until the late 90s.
Haitian Jack (The FBI Agent) introduces Tupac to a woman, the same woman accuses Tupac of rape and sexual assault.
Tupac gets shot by the orders of James Rosemand (another FBI Agent) 5 times in 1994, survives.
Goes to prison for sexual assault, but found innocent of rape. Released after 11 months when new evidence helping prove his innocence is found. The prosecution states they "lost it" and it was not deliberate.
The Jewish Defense League (JDL) threaten to kill Tupac due to his familys politics. He tells them to **** off. This is in Tupacs (released) FBI files.
Tupac refuses to remain silent about Jimmy Henchman and Haitian Jack, announces them as FBI informers, and publicly humiliates any other rappers being extorted by them, or associated with them (Biggie, Puffy, etc).
The causes many eastcoast rappers and street gangsters to dislike Tupac.
Just some of the main frictions in his life, only scratching the surface. Between Political Parties, Terrorist groups, gangsters, FBI, police officers, gang bangers, Tupac had a lot of enemies.
Dare I say it, he was born to die. And he knew it.
click the link everything is cited with sources.
and heres another article/interview from the LA times on tupac in his own words denying he was a "gangster."
http://www.latimes.com/local/la-me-tupac-qa-story.html#page=1
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