Does/Did Tupac have street cred

[comptonprince]

Interesting.

I went to Google and read other theories that Puff and Biggie knew in advance. Puff and bad boy were already extorted and JH wanted to get Pac into Bad Boy so that he would be forced to get protection from them too. Something like that.

Don't know why this stuff fascinates me. Reads like a crime mob story.

I saw your other response. ..why did Suge hate Puffy from the start? Competition?

Puff homie/bodyguard killed his BF in Atlanta

 

[comptonprince]

compton prince and this stihl dude coming in here like they know what tupac was really about.

fbi chasing you and fam around as kid and collecting over 4000 pages of intel on you > any street cred your favorite rapper has

post taken from from reddit:


He always thought he was going to die young, and his paranoid (but very real) mindset obviously is a factor on how much he recorded.

His music developed a very paranoid tone. In July of 1996 a home movie was shot of Tupac in the studio, and his paranoia was on its way to its highest point. "We don't have the time or the luxury to spend all this time on one track. We Don't!" Tupac said frantically, his arms waving around as the orange glow of his cigarette followed.

Source

He wasn't wrong, two months later he would be dead.

Gloria Cox, one of his first managers said that he sad/happy on his 21st birthday, because he made it to 21, and never thought he would. She begged him to stop thinking like that as it was like "death was his twin".

Source Video

Tupac was ****** from the begging though. He had too many enemies and came from too much of a volatile political family. He spent most of his childhood on the run from the FBI as they where tracking his step father Mutulu Shakur who was on the ten most wanted list for domestic terrorism. His own mother, spent time in prison on a trial for plotting to blow up New York police departments with the infamous panther 21. His God father was geronimo pratt who was targeted by the FBI illegal Cointelpro. And his god mother is Assata Shakur who is also wanted for domestic terrorism, that Tupacs step-dad broke her out of prison and is now living in Cuba. Bush in 2003 put a $1 million reward on her head during the revival of targeting domestic terrorists at the start of the war on terror. In 2011, Jon Stewart and Bill O'Reilly had an argument over her, as Obama invited an artist to the white house who supported Assata Shakur. Fox was trying to make that out that by default the president supports her too. Tupac comes from a very serious committed family, and as a teenager he was the national chairman of the new african panthers, so he was on route to be the next leader of the movement.

Lets look at Tupacs life.

Spent his childhood running from the FBI due to the actions of the Shakurs.

At 16 became the youngest national Chairman of the New African panthers, himself then getting FBI attention. His FBI file, only 104 pages out of 4000 are released to the public, the rest 3896 pages are censored for "National Security".

Quit the New African Panthers when he believed the Nation of Islam infiltrated it, the next leader after Shakur was surprise surprise, a member of the NOI.

Got into a constant war of words with the Nation of Islam throughout his rap career. They would follow him everywhere, trying to make it look like they where associated with him. To get his approval, because he was a Shakur. Tupac hated the Nation of Islam because his family where connected to Malcolm X, and his family blame the Nation for his assassination.

Became famous to the general public when released 2pacalyspe now, becoming the legendary rapper. Immediately denounced by the Vice President Dan Quayle due to its anti-american political content. It was obvious they knew who he was by his second name, even if the average rap fan didn't.

Gets mentioned by name at the Republican Nation Convention

From the help of Mutulu Shakur from prison, starts a movement entitled "Thug Life". Tupac helps enforce truces between rival gangs, including the bloods and the crips under "Thug Life". The plan was to get them to stop killing each other, unite, police their communities, and eventually fight the government. He was seducing gang bangers and trying to turn them into soldiers. After that his life turns to **** and seems to be getting arrested and targeted by police on a weekly basis, most of which is was baseless, but people only remember him getting arrested, not acquitted. His "out of control" image increases.

Two Police officers are beating a black motorist. Tupac approaches them and they fire shots at him. Tupac goes back to his car and gets his gun and returns fire, hitting both officers, one in the thigh and one in the buttocks. The charges are dropped against Tupac when it turns out both officers are intoxicated, and the gun they used to fire against Tupac was stolen from an evidence locker. Everyone else just remembers "Tupac shot two cops".

From the help of Dan Quayle and other Republicans, they persuade family members of slain cops to sue Tupac over his music, stating that his music causes the violence. Seriously, here is even a court video of one of the cases against him in 1995

The republicans convince Time Warner to drop interscope records due to Tupac being one of their artists.

Two criminals, Haitian Jack and James "Henchman" Rosemand try to extort Tupac. He tells them to **** off and ends up on their hit list. Both later turn out to be working for the FBI since the late 80s until the late 90s.

Haitian Jack (The FBI Agent) introduces Tupac to a woman, the same woman accuses Tupac of rape and sexual assault.

Tupac gets shot by the orders of James Rosemand (another FBI Agent) 5 times in 1994, survives.

Goes to prison for sexual assault, but found innocent of rape. Released after 11 months when new evidence helping prove his innocence is found. The prosecution states they "lost it" and it was not deliberate.

The Jewish Defense League (JDL) threaten to kill Tupac due to his familys politics. He tells them to **** off. This is in Tupacs (released) FBI files.

Tupac refuses to remain silent about Jimmy Henchman and Haitian Jack, announces them as FBI informers, and publicly humiliates any other rappers being extorted by them, or associated with them (Biggie, Puffy, etc).
The causes many eastcoast rappers and street gangsters to dislike Tupac.

Just some of the main frictions in his life, only scratching the surface. Between Political Parties, Terrorist groups, gangsters, FBI, police officers, gang bangers, Tupac had a lot of enemies.

Dare I say it, he was born to die. And he knew it.


click the link everything is cited with sources.

and heres another article/interview from the LA times on tupac in his own words denying he was a "gangster."

http://www.latimes.com/local/la-me-tupac-qa-story.html#page=1

The cops were off duty walking from a bar with their wives when Pac car almost hit them bruh get ya facts str8

 

[king of erv]

The cops were off duty walking from a bar with their wives when Pac car almost hit them bruh get ya facts str8

that's true but facts about what actually went down are sketchy from both sides. witnesses say the off duty cops started harassing a person in one of the cars after almost running them over and shot first, tupac then returned fire and struck the off duty cops.

other witnesses said tupac fired first after arguing with the off duty cops.

 

[comptonprince]

that's true but facts about what actually went down are sketchy from both sides. witnesses say the off duty cops started harassing a person in one of the cars after almost running them over and shot first, tupac then returned fire and struck the off duty cops.

other witnesses said tupac fired first after arguing with the off duty cops.

So where the story about the cops beating a motorist come from?

 

[king of erv]

most likely just the official story being misinterpreted over time. chargers were dropped on both tupac and the off duty cops.

point is tupac was more than a rapper and the image the media portrayed of him couldn't be further from what he was trying to accomplish with his music.

 

[untouchable jc]

Pac was THAT dude. Sure he was volatile and would contradict himself at times but he was realer than 99% of rappers today. I honestly think he would've been an activist and great role model had he lived long enough to grow up. Who on this planet is mature enough and found their way in their 20's?

 

[danikerhino]

Pac is a legend, he just got influenced by the wrong people. Felt he wanted to leave Death Row and I think he would've been more focused. I remember he said in a documentary that he needed to do a better job on what he put out there since kids listen to his music. He also was outspoken because of his family and upbringing, which goes against street code so I'm sure that bothered a lot of people. Rather have some speak on issues rather than someone reciting negativity all the damn time.

 

[Sir San Diego]

king of erv

And THAT is my problem with Tupac. He went from "Brenda's got a baby" and "Trapped" to all that MOB ****.

Dude had the knowledge and chose not to use it and instead became a cheerleader instead of a leader. It's like he took the opposite of Malcolm X's journey. Instead of going from hustler to scholar, Pac went from scholar to "Thug" and he influenced an entire generation to hustle backwards.

He commanded an army before he became a character. Why was he so easily influenced? Just comes off as weak in that regard.

 

[dathbgboy]

king of erv

And THAT is my problem with Tupac. He went from "Brenda's got a baby" and "Trapped" to all that MOB ****.

Dude had the knowledge and chose not to use it and instead became a cheerleader instead of a leader. It's like he took the opposite of Malcolm X's journey. Instead of going from hustler to scholar, Pac went from scholar to "Thug" and he influenced an entire generation to hustle backwards.

He commanded an army before he became a character. Why was he so easily influenced? Just comes off as weak in that regard.

I think he might have thought he could persuade cats to rise up and what not if they could relate to him. Street cats ain't gon listen to a dude who drop songs like "Brenda's Got a Baby". That may have been a plan of his to drop songs so they'll listen and then switch it up on em but then getting involved/on the bad side of cats like Jimmy Henchmen, Suge, etc. put him in way over his head.

Still eerie how they dropped the "I Aint Mad At Cha" video around the time of his death, even w/ the opening scene of him getting killed.

 

[friscostylez]

 

[friscostylez]

Man you are too much. I don't even really care but Pac must have ****** your girl back in the day. Or ya auntie or something.

compton prince and this stihl dude coming in here like they know what tupac was really about.

fbi chasing you and fam around as kid and collecting over 4000 pages of intel on you > any street cred your favorite rapper has

post taken from from reddit:


He always thought he was going to die young, and his paranoid (but very real) mindset obviously is a factor on how much he recorded.

His music developed a very paranoid tone. In July of 1996 a home movie was shot of Tupac in the studio, and his paranoia was on its way to its highest point. "We don't have the time or the luxury to spend all this time on one track. We Don't!" Tupac said frantically, his arms waving around as the orange glow of his cigarette followed.

Source

He wasn't wrong, two months later he would be dead.

Gloria Cox, one of his first managers said that he sad/happy on his 21st birthday, because he made it to 21, and never thought he would. She begged him to stop thinking like that as it was like "death was his twin".

Source Video

Tupac was ****** from the begging though. He had too many enemies and came from too much of a volatile political family. He spent most of his childhood on the run from the FBI as they where tracking his step father Mutulu Shakur who was on the ten most wanted list for domestic terrorism. His own mother, spent time in prison on a trial for plotting to blow up New York police departments with the infamous panther 21. His God father was geronimo pratt who was targeted by the FBI illegal Cointelpro. And his god mother is Assata Shakur who is also wanted for domestic terrorism, that Tupacs step-dad broke her out of prison and is now living in Cuba. Bush in 2003 put a $1 million reward on her head during the revival of targeting domestic terrorists at the start of the war on terror. In 2011, Jon Stewart and Bill O'Reilly had an argument over her, as Obama invited an artist to the white house who supported Assata Shakur. Fox was trying to make that out that by default the president supports her too. Tupac comes from a very serious committed family, and as a teenager he was the national chairman of the new african panthers, so he was on route to be the next leader of the movement.

Lets look at Tupacs life.

Spent his childhood running from the FBI due to the actions of the Shakurs.

At 16 became the youngest national Chairman of the New African panthers, himself then getting FBI attention. His FBI file, only 104 pages out of 4000 are released to the public, the rest 3896 pages are censored for "National Security".

Quit the New African Panthers when he believed the Nation of Islam infiltrated it, the next leader after Shakur was surprise surprise, a member of the NOI.

Got into a constant war of words with the Nation of Islam throughout his rap career. They would follow him everywhere, trying to make it look like they where associated with him. To get his approval, because he was a Shakur. Tupac hated the Nation of Islam because his family where connected to Malcolm X, and his family blame the Nation for his assassination.

Became famous to the general public when released 2pacalyspe now, becoming the legendary rapper. Immediately denounced by the Vice President Dan Quayle due to its anti-american political content. It was obvious they knew who he was by his second name, even if the average rap fan didn't.

Gets mentioned by name at the Republican Nation Convention

From the help of Mutulu Shakur from prison, starts a movement entitled "Thug Life". Tupac helps enforce truces between rival gangs, including the bloods and the crips under "Thug Life". The plan was to get them to stop killing each other, unite, police their communities, and eventually fight the government. He was seducing gang bangers and trying to turn them into soldiers. After that his life turns to **** and seems to be getting arrested and targeted by police on a weekly basis, most of which is was baseless, but people only remember him getting arrested, not acquitted. His "out of control" image increases.

Two Police officers are beating a black motorist. Tupac approaches them and they fire shots at him. Tupac goes back to his car and gets his gun and returns fire, hitting both officers, one in the thigh and one in the buttocks. The charges are dropped against Tupac when it turns out both officers are intoxicated, and the gun they used to fire against Tupac was stolen from an evidence locker. Everyone else just remembers "Tupac shot two cops".

From the help of Dan Quayle and other Republicans, they persuade family members of slain cops to sue Tupac over his music, stating that his music causes the violence. Seriously, here is even a court video of one of the cases against him in 1995

The republicans convince Time Warner to drop interscope records due to Tupac being one of their artists.

Two criminals, Haitian Jack and James "Henchman" Rosemand try to extort Tupac. He tells them to **** off and ends up on their hit list. Both later turn out to be working for the FBI since the late 80s until the late 90s.

Haitian Jack (The FBI Agent) introduces Tupac to a woman, the same woman accuses Tupac of rape and sexual assault.

Tupac gets shot by the orders of James Rosemand (another FBI Agent) 5 times in 1994, survives.

Goes to prison for sexual assault, but found innocent of rape. Released after 11 months when new evidence helping prove his innocence is found. The prosecution states they "lost it" and it was not deliberate.

The Jewish Defense League (JDL) threaten to kill Tupac due to his familys politics. He tells them to **** off. This is in Tupacs (released) FBI files.

Tupac refuses to remain silent about Jimmy Henchman and Haitian Jack, announces them as FBI informers, and publicly humiliates any other rappers being extorted by them, or associated with them (Biggie, Puffy, etc).
The causes many eastcoast rappers and street gangsters to dislike Tupac.

Just some of the main frictions in his life, only scratching the surface. Between Political Parties, Terrorist groups, gangsters, FBI, police officers, gang bangers, Tupac had a lot of enemies.

Dare I say it, he was born to die. And he knew it.


click the link everything is cited with sources.

and heres another article/interview from the LA times on tupac in his own words denying he was a "gangster."

http://www.latimes.com/local/la-me-tupac-qa-story.html#page=1

repped. i think pac stated the reason why he started the "East Coast and West Coast war" because he wanted to take Haitian Jack's power. Haitian Jack extorted dudes in the music industry such as Puffy and Biggie and he had way too much power and money to be messed with. Pac wanted war with Bad Boys so he could destroy them and not have anybody support them which takes money away from Jack.

 

[comptonprince]

repped. i think pac stated the reason why he started the "East Coast and West Coast war" because he wanted to take Haitian Jack's power. Haitian Jack extorted dudes in the music industry such as Puffy and Biggie and he had way too much power and money to be messed with. Pac wanted war with Bad Boys so he could destroy them and not have anybody support them which takes money away from Jack.

 

[friscostylez]

this thread takes me back


Interesting posts going both ways on this. I'm curious how yall view biggie in this regard?


I was always a fan of east coast hip hop and especially thought biggie was way more real than pac

BIG was a lyrical beast I didn't really care for the East vs West bs  I knew what it was it was all Instigated by Suge over his hate for Puff he just used Pac as his mouthpiece
BIG would have tore Pac up tho..

Man you are too much. I don't even really care but Pac must have ****** your girl back in the day. Or ya auntie or something.

okay, imma cosign on this now. pac def smashed someone close to dude

 

[send one]

most likely just the official story being misinterpreted over time. chargers were dropped on both tupac and the off duty cops.

point is tupac was more than a rapper and the image the media portrayed of him couldn't be further from what he was trying to accomplish with his music.

I wouldn't put all the blame on the media. Duke would act a fool every time the cameras were on him. Spitting at and flicking off reporters, acting all rah-rah every chance he got. My man hung around some real street cats to research the role of Bishop but continued to play that role years after the director yelled cut.

Surprised no one has posted the Treach interview.

 

[Olympus]

Treach interview was classic. One part he was talking about women and getting caught up or whatever. Had me rollin

 

[ritchdad]

Frank mathews does this post like once a year toget a rise out of folks....trollin man

 

[seasoned vet]

I was telling my friend the other day Pac's thug image was Knight's work to sell records.

.....but Death Row created his image and knew how to sell him to the masses to profit off of him.

#excusemesaywhat?

Pac was screaming THUG LIFE a whole 2 albums before Death Row Records
- Strictly 4 My N.I.G.G.A.Z. (1993)
- Thug Life Vol. 1 (1994)

where are you guys getting these 'facts' from?

he joined Death Row in 1995
All Eyez On Me came out in 1996

 

[comptonprince]

#excusemesaywhat?

Pac was screaming THUG LIFE a whole 2 albums before Death Row Records
- Strictly 4 My N.I.G.G.A.Z. (1993)
- Thug Life Vol. 1 (1994)

where are you guys getting these 'facts' from?

he joined Death Row in 1995
All Eyez On Me came out in 1996

ThugLife and West Coast Gangsta were 2 different Pacs nobody cared for ThugLife Pac compared to WS Pac 

 

[seasoned vet]

ThugLife and West Coast Gangsta were 2 different Pacs nobody cared for ThugLife Pac compared to WS Pac 

and yet not one word i said had anything to do with which Pac people cared for

my comments were addressed to the idea that the THUG LIFE image was some brainchild of Suge Knight to sell records
and that he changed Pac overnight
when THUG LIFE came years before Suge


and to address your lies
people LOVED Pac before West Coast Gangsta Pac

as stated, where are you dudes getting your facts from

you had to be in the hood and a teen at that time to understand the love people had for Pac back then BEFORE Death Row

now Death Row put him in the stratosphere but dont think he didnt have a following already

im no big Pac fan
but i remember how it all happened
i was there

 

[seasoned vet]

Juice (1992)
A Different World (1993)
Poetic Justice (1993)
Above the Rim (1994)

Pac had a BIG following in the hood before Death Row

 

[comptonprince]

and yet not one word i said had anything to do with which Pac people cared for

my comments were addressed to the idea that the THUG LIFE image was some brainchild of Suge Knight to sell records
and that he changed Pac overnight
when THUG LIFE came years before Suge


and to address your lies
people LOVED Pac before West Coast Gangsta Pac

as stated, where are you dudes getting your facts from

you had to be in the hood and a teen at that time to understand the love people had for Pac back then BEFORE Death Row

now Death Row put him in the stratosphere but dont think he didnt have a following already

im no big Pac fan
but i remember how it all happened
i was there

People loved Pac for DeaR Mama and Keep ya head up those type songs but them songs got him nowhere 

Even he realized that while sitting in jail 

Juice (1992)
A Different World (1993)
Poetic Justice (1993)
Above the Rim (1994)

Pac had a BIG following in the hood before Death Row

Yea ok N's in the hood was checking for all this u right 

Really A Different World tho my G?

 

[seasoned vet]

you gotta be a young dude to not know how big that was back then

its expected though

go ahead tho
tell us how no one cared about Pac til Death Row

 

[comptonprince]

you gotta be a young dude to not know how big that was back then

its expected though

go ahead tho
tell us how no one cared about Pac til Death Row

I aint gotta tell you Pac said it 20 years ago...

 

[eracism]

I'm officially convinced...

ComptonPrince = CalabasasTeenager

 

[sharpshooter718]

Pac was that dude... If your over 30 and you think 2pac is lame, your a ****boy...