NT Are You A Patriotic American?

You brought it up to prove why the U.S. is number one, I countered by telling you that the U.S. is not the only country people want to go to so that statement doesn't make them number 1. There are parts of this country that are literally like a third world country. There are places in this country with HIV rates that rival subsaharan Africa, so miss me with the US is number 1 nonsense. You sound like you just came back from a Trump rally.

No I didn't. I responded to the post saying we are hated around the world, and I said we can't be that hated bc people are dying to get in here.

No doubt we have issues, look who's been in charge the past 8 years. And those places in terrible shape like Detroit, Baltimore, New Orleans, crime ridden parts of Chicago, have all been run by leftists for decades.

I was speaking more historically, the US has not been perfect but we have been a force for good overall. You'd all be speaking German or Japanese and living under a dictatorship right now if it wasn't for the US.


People like you are why America is where it's at. Willfully ignorant under the guise of political ideology to actually fix the problems in this country.


Vast swaths of the South has been Right Wing run for decades and are festering pools of poverty and poorly educated people but all he hear about is Detroit, Baltmore, New Orleans and Chicago.

Wanna guess why?
 
What is patriotism? Is it love of one's birthplace, the place of childhood's recollections and hopes, dreams and aspirations? Is it the place where, in childlike naivete, we would watch the passing clouds, and wonder why we, too, could not float so swiftly? The place where we would count the milliard glittering stars, terror-stricken lest each one "an eye should be," piercing the very depths of our little souls? Is it the place where we would listen to the music of the birds and long to have wings to fly, even as they, to distant lands? Or is it the place where we would sit on Mother's knee, enraptured by tales of great deeds and conquests? In short, is it love for the spot, every inch representing dear and precious recollections of a happy, joyous and playful childhood?

If that were patriotism, few American men of today would be called upon to be patriotic, since the place of play has been turned into factory, mill, and mine, while deepening sounds of machinery have replaced the music of the birds. No longer can we hear the tales of great deeds, for the stories our mothers tell today are but those of sorrow, tears and grief.

What, then, is patriotism? "Patriotism, sir, is the last resort of scoundrels," said Dr. [Samuel] Johnson. Leo Tolstoy, the greatest anti-patriot of our time, defines patriotism as the principle that will justify the training of wholesale murderers; a trade that requires better equipment in the exercise of man-killing than the making of such necessities as shoes, clothing, and houses; a trade that guarantees better returns and greater glory than that of the honest workingman...

Indeed, conceit, arrogance and egotism are the essentials of patriotism. Let me illustrate. Patriotism assumes that our globe is divided into little spots, each one surrounded by an iron gate. Those who have had the fortune of being born on some particular spot consider themselves nobler, better, grander, more intelligent than those living beings inhabiting any other spot. It is, therefore, the duty of everyone living on that chosen spot to fight, kill and die in the attempt to impose his superiority upon all the others. The inhabitants of the other spots reason in like manner, of course, with the result that from early infancy the mind of the child is provided with blood-curdling stories about the Germans, the French, the Italians, Russians, etc. When the child has reached manhood he is thoroughly saturated with the belief that he is chosen by the Lord himself to defend his country against the attack or invasion of any foreigner. It is for that purpose that we are clamoring for a greater army and navy, more battleships and ammunition...

An army and navy represent the people's toys. To make them more attractive and acceptable, hundreds and thousands of dollars are being spent for the display of toys. That was the purpose of the American government in equipping a fleet and sending it along the Pacific coast, that every American citizen should be made to feel the pride and glory of the United States.

The city of San Francisco spent one hundred thousand dollars for the entertainment of the fleet; Los Angeles, sixty thousand; Seattle and Tacoma, about one hundred thousand... Yes, two hundred and sixty thousand dollars were spent on fireworks, theater parties, and revelries, at a time when men, women, and children through the breadth and length of the country were starving in the streets; when thousands of unemployed were ready to sell their labor at any price.

What could not have been accomplished with such an enormous sum? But instead of bread and shelter, the children of those cities were taken to see the fleet, that it may remain, as one newspaper said, "a lasting memory for the child."

A wonderful thing to remember, is it not? The implements of civilized slaughter. If the mind of the child is poisoned with such memories, what hope is there for a true realization of human brotherhood?

We Americans claim to be a peace-loving people. We hate bloodshed; we are opposed to violence. Yet we go into spasms of joy over the possibility of projecting dynamite bombs from flying machines upon helpless citizens. We are ready to hang, electrocute, or lynch anyone, who, from economic necessity, will risk his own life in the attempt upon that of some industrial magnate. Yet our hearts swell with pride at the thought that America is becoming the most powerful nation on earth, and that she will eventually plant her iron foot on the necks of all other nations.

Such is the logic of patriotism.

...Thinking men and women the world over are beginning to realize that patriotism is too narrow and limited a conception to meet the necessities of our time. The centralization of power has brought into being an international feeling of solidarity among the oppressed nations of the world; a solidarity which represents a greater harmony of interests between the workingman of America and his brothers abroad than between the American miner and his exploiting compatriot; a solidarity which fears not foreign invasion, because it is bringing all the workers to the point when they will say to their masters, "Go and do your own killing. We have done it long enough for you."

...The proletariat of Europe has realized the great force of that solidarity and has, as a result, inaugurated a war against patriotism and its bloody specter, militarism. Thousands of men fill the prisons of France, Germany, Russia and the Scandinavian countries because they dared to defy the ancient superstition...

America will have to follow suit. The spirit of militarism has already permeated all walks of life. Indeed, I am convinced that militarism is a greater danger here than anywhere else, because of the many bribes capitalism holds out to those whom it wishes to destroy...

The beginning has already been made in the schools... Children are trained in military tactics, the glory of military achievements extolled in the curriculum, and the youthful mind perverted to suit the government. Further, the youth of the country is appealed to in glaring posters to join the Army and the Navy. "A fine chance to see the world!" cries the governmental huckster. Thus innocent boys are morally shanghaied into patriotism, and the military Moloch strides conquering through the nation...

When we have undermined the patriotic lie, we shall have cleared the path for the great structure where all shall be united into a universal brotherhood -- a truly free society.

I read this a while back after a teacher told me about her. Made me change the way I thought about things. I still love my country, but I acknowledge there's problems that need to be fixed.
 

Obviously not, you have to go there with a good plan in motion and funds to back up your own plan, with money you'll flourish.
 
Obviously not, you have to go there with a good plan in motion and funds to back up your own plan, with money you'll flourish.
Are you saying that if me and you lived next door to each other, like we could in NY, I would not be subjected to life threatening violence and discrimination?

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/02/magazine/the-dominican-time-bomb.html?_r=0
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...nican-republics-ethnic-cleansing-of-haitians/
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/opal-...ism-in-the-dominican-republic-_b_7746042.html
http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/23/opinions/black-deportation-dominican-republic-haitians/
http://thegrio.com/2015/06/19/black-lives-haiti-dominican-republic/
 
I love how the same clowns blame "failing" cities on Dem. Mayors, but ignore entire failing STATES led by Republican governors.

Gotta love that logic.
 

What? You as an American black man residing in DR?...no you won't....in assuming if you migrated there is with some type of capital, you eill be ok.

I see where you dudes trying to take this thread now....you guys bored or something?...
 
This whole country was built on what you guys would call "conservative" or "right wing" economic policies, meanwhile socialist utopias like the USSR are disasters.
 
I see where you dudes trying to take this thread now....
All I asked was would I have the same opportunity to thrive safely in the Dominican Republic as I do in the United States. I just want to know why you think the Dominican Republic is better than the United States.
 
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This whole country was built on what you guys would call "conservative" or "right wing" economic policies, meanwhile socialist utopias like the USSR are disasters.

Yup and those same ideals are what shipped American jobs overseas which is why no matter what political party has been in office the middle class has been destroyed.

But hey lowering their taxes without conditions will get them to give jobs to Americans when they can pay foreigners a 10th of what they would pay Americans.
 
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All I asked was would I have the same opportunity to thrive safely in the Dominican Republic as I do in the United States. I just want to know why you think the Dominican Republic is better than the United States.

You trying to skew it somehow into a race thing, don't play dumb bro...

I've answered this before, as an American the color of your skin don't matter in DR the only thing that matters is your money....so yes if you and a white person step foot in DR both with a plan and money, you will both have the same opportunities.
 
Care to elaborate? Is there an issue with me taking an exception to the humanitarian crisis in D.R.?

The crisis that Dominicans/Haitians have dealt with for over a century?...tell me again how much you actually care?...or is this another tactic to turn this into a race debate and derail this thread since Meth put a stop to the other thread.

All I had to say was I would like to settle there and yes I find it for entrepreneurs DR is booming over what opportunities I might have to start up here in NY....specially in my field of photography and somehow we find ourselves talking about a race crisis you don't really care about but just want to argue about anyways. :stoneface:
 
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No, not a patriot for the simple fact this country has showed on multiple occasions it doesn't care very much about people who look like me. I love my family and friends, but I have no specific ties to this place or it's ideals.

What I will say is I recognize it's better than a LOT of other countries. However, a lot of improvement needs to be made before I would consider myself patriotic.
 
The crisis that Dominicans/Haitians have dealt with for over a century?...tell me again how much you actually care?...or is this another tactic to turn this into a race debate and derail this thread since Meth put a stop to the other thread.

All I had to say was I would like to settle there and yes I find it for entrepreneurs DR is booming over what opportunities I might have to start up here in NY....specially in my field of photography and somehow we find ourselves talking about a race crisis you don't really care about but just want to argue about anyways. :stoneface:


So because it's an ongoing issue I shouldn't care?


I see. Lets ignore the fact that this has been going on for generations and turn a blind eye.



I said nothing to you, I quoted someone else. You said you blocked me so stop worrying about my opinion b.
 
You do realize that America is a republic right? We're the government, we elect our own officials.

Maybe if we were a direct democracy. This is a representative democracy. They delegate on your behalf. Not the same as people's choice.
 
This whole country was built on what you guys would call "conservative" or "right wing" economic policies, meanwhile socialist utopias like the USSR are disasters.
The idea of founding America is about as liberal as they come....USSR doesn't exist
 
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So because it's an ongoing issue I shouldn't care?


I see. Lets ignore the fact that this has been going on for generations and turn a blind eye.



I said nothing to you, I quoted someone else. You said you blocked me so stop worrying about my opinion b.

I didn't block you, I blocked Timid...

I didn't say ignore it, but what exactly are you doing to bring change in the DR/Haitian conflict?

Let's be real here, you know exactly what you were doing by bringing this up for no apparent reason whatsoever.
 
I didn't block you, I blocked Timid...

I didn't say ignore it, but what exactly are you doing to bring change in the DR/Haitian conflict?

Let's be real here, you know exactly what you were doing by bringing this up for no apparent reason whatsoever.


Why do I have to do something about it? I'm simply informed. I'm focused on changing what's in front of me.


I simply stated that I wouldn't live there because of the ongoing ethnic cleansing. That's all. I didn't even see your posts above b. World doesn't revolve around you. I quoted someone else.
 
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