Once again, a scientific theory is entirety different from a layman's theory.
And the two sides are NOT the same. One side says they don't know while the other side says God is responsible.
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Once again, a scientific theory is entirety different from a layman's theory.
And the two sides are NOT the same. One side says they don't know while the other side says God is responsible.
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Thats not accurate. Only jumping in for biblical the accuracy, not to address your actual point.
(rather have these types of discussion in person. I don't like to type the thorough responses some of these posts require)
"Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male and his female: and of beasts that are not clean by two, the male and his female. Of fowls also of the air by sevens, the male and the female; to keep seed alive upon the face of all the earth." - Gen 7:2-3
7 clean and 2 unclean animals ( as determined in Deuteronomy )
...carry on
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Yea most people don't even know God told Noah to get 7 of each animals but that's just a microcosm of how Christians don't even read the Bible and something so simple in the "most important book" in a Christian's life can go overlooked
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Nothing to explain honestly. I just think the universe has always been around. Hard to think about if we think about how WE think about what time is.
Really? So how many animals were even around? Do house cats and Tigers each have their own pairings? Polars and Grizzlies? Or were Polars not around
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Scientific theories are supported by evidence. In the case of the big bang we can measure that the universe is spreading outward. So one would reason that reversing that would bring you to a single point. Thus the big bang. You can make up whatever theories you want but unless you have some concrete evidence to support them no one is going to take them seriously.
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prove to me it didnt
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[quote name="Mister Friendly"]Now we get back to same circular argument. You cant prove it wasn't God
When its proved how something forms spontaneously...Goes from non-living to living get back to me[/quote]Nah. I'll get back to people who don't fill in the blanks with something that has zero proof. I'll get back to people who were wondering themselves, not wondering and hoping that their fairy tale being right is what I'm getting back to them on.
"Fairy tale? Prove it didn't happen, then."
In the absence of knowledge for some thing, it's counterproductive to interject more unproven guesses and demanding that others disprove them or put them on the same equal ground as possible because of lack of evidence.
When its proved how something forms spontaneously...Goes from non-living to living get back to me[/quote]Nah. I'll get back to people who don't fill in the blanks with something that has zero proof. I'll get back to people who were wondering themselves, not wondering and hoping that their fairy tale being right is what I'm getting back to them on.
"Fairy tale? Prove it didn't happen, then."
In the absence of knowledge for some thing, it's counterproductive to interject more unproven guesses and demanding that others disprove them or put them on the same equal ground as possible because of lack of evidence.
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A belief in God/creator/ intillegent design is no more of a fairy tale than thinking living organisms form spontaneously
By saying there's no God/ creator/ intillegent design, that is in essence filling in the blanks to something that is not known
By saying there's no God/ creator/ intillegent design, that is in essence filling in the blanks to something that is not known
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The combination of certain gases form amino acids.
Amino acids are the building blocks of life.
I don't want there to not be a god. I don't want there to be a god. I don't care.
You do.
Major difference. You want so badly for your team to win.
I'm not on a team*, and I don't view any of this as a battle for anyone to win or lose.
*I know you think this is a team, but as I pointed out before, you are speaking on something you've heard about, not experienced. Stick to talking about Christianity.
Amino acids are the building blocks of life.
I don't want there to not be a god. I don't want there to be a god. I don't care.
You do.
Major difference. You want so badly for your team to win.
I'm not on a team*, and I don't view any of this as a battle for anyone to win or lose.
*I know you think this is a team, but as I pointed out before, you are speaking on something you've heard about, not experienced. Stick to talking about Christianity.
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I just proved to you how "spontaneous" forms of creation, actions, and death happen EVERYDAY.
The "something from nothing" argument isn't valid. "Something" is always there. In essence "nothing" does not exist.
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All those things had a cause
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ALL things have a cause. Even at a molecular level reactions occur based on energy transfer.
Read the definition you posted. The key word is APPARENT.
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Yes we all know about amino acids
We still havent proven how life forms spontaneously
That is the atheists fairy tale, the best you can say you can't prove God exists but you can't prove he doesn't exist but that hasn't been the tenor I've seen in this discussion in regards to God
We still havent proven how life forms spontaneously
That is the atheists fairy tale, the best you can say you can't prove God exists but you can't prove he doesn't exist but that hasn't been the tenor I've seen in this discussion in regards to God
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Do you just cover your eyes and post without reading anything anyone posted? I've literally displayed evidence of how life TODAY spontaneously exits. You could philosophically argue that ALL things occur spontaneously. Gathering and observing things TODAY is how you produce conjectures for everything in the past. If I see a forest with half of it burned down I would assume a fire happened. I didn't see the fire but given present evidence I could reason out situations. That's how the scientific method works.
I think the answer you're looking for is "I looked back when time began and here's exactly what happened....".
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saying "i dont know, it might be this but i'm going to test it to see if I am right" is working towards filling the blanks with the correct answer
saying "i dont know, it was god" is not knowing anything and just throwing in a cop out answer because you are not willing to put in the work to find the right answer
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Yes I read your posts and those things aren't spontaneous.
All things those things had a cause.
Nobody knows how life begin. There's no known cause.
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but that's what they are working to find out
"i think life begun because of cause XYZ"
this is a hypothesis, it has a high chance of being wrong
but the scientist that came up with the hypothesis will replicate XYZ in a lab and see if it creates life
if it does, that proves that under conditions XYZ life can be created from non living elements/things
if it doesnt work then back to the drawing board
no one knows for sure how life begun, so why are you sure that god caused it?
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Without entering into this argument again I think the point hes trying to say that something doesn't go from not being existent in some form at one second and then existing the next. If the first life form was a single called organism it didn't go from not existing, to having mass, occupying space and existing. I think that's the point he's trying to make.
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yes, but they are currently working to recreate in lab the environments they think caused single celled organisms to come into existence "from nothing"
of course it was not from nothing, the chemicals and elements in the environment came together to form the organism but that is what they think is the process of creating life.
didnt god make eve out of dirt or something?
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And that point is 100% incorrect to begin with. NOTHING doesn't exist. Within ALL space holds SOMETHING. Thats a proven fact. So the fundamental idea that SOMETHING came from NOTHING is flawed.
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people need to understand that science has not figured out all the answers (far from it)
science is a method we use to figure out all the answers
saying "you cant prove that _______ causes _____" just shows that there is more work to be done
science is a method we use to figure out all the answers
saying "you cant prove that _______ causes _____" just shows that there is more work to be done
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Everything has "cause". Ultimately everything is a result of energy transfer. That's the "cause" for existence
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Working on something and doing it are different things
Yes everything has cause. What caused life to form spontaneously?
Nobody has all the answers that's why it's impossible to come to a informed conclusion
That's why it's a circular topic.
Yes everything has cause. What caused life to form spontaneously?
Nobody has all the answers that's why it's impossible to come to a informed conclusion
That's why it's a circular topic.
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