Belichick has been taping since 2000, Goodell tells Specter

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WASHINGTON (AP)-Bill Belichick has been illegally taping opponents' defensive signals since he became the New England Patriots' coach in 2000, according to Sen. Arlen Specter, who said NFL commissioner Roger Goodell told him that during a meeting Wednesday.

"There was confirmation that there has been taping since 2000, when Coach Belichick took over," Specter said.

Specter said Goodell gave him that information during the 1-hour, 40-minute meeting, which was requested by Specter so the commissioner could explain his reasons for destroying the Spygate tapes and notes.

"There were a great many questions answered by Commissioner Goodell," Specter, the senior Republican on the Senate Judiciary Committee, told reporters after the meeting. "I found a lot of questions unanswerable because of the tapes and notes had been destroyed."

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Goodell said Belichick told him he believed the taping was legal; Goodell said he did not concur.

"He said that's always been his interpretation since he's been the head coach," the commissioner said. "We are going to agree to disagree on the facts."

Specter, from Pennsylvania, wants to talk to other league officials about what exactly was taped and which games may have been compromised.

"We have a right to have honest football games," he said.

Goodell noted that "we were the ones that disclosed" the Patriots' illegal taping of the New York Jets' defensive signals in Week 1 of last season. Further, Goodell said, they had an admission by Belichick.

"I have nothing to hide," Goodell said.

Goodell also told Specter that that he doesn't regret destroying the Spygate tapes or the notes.

"I think it was the right thing to do," Goodell said.

Still, Specter wants to know why penalties were imposed on Belichick before the full extent of the wrongdoing was known and the tapes destroyed in a two-week span. Asked if he thinks there was a coverup, Specter demurred.

"There was an enormous amount of haste," Specter said.

He scoffed at the reasons Goodell gave for destroying the tapes and notes, particularly about trying to keep them out of competitors' hands and because Belichick had admitted to the taping.

"What's that got to do with it? There's an admission of guilt, you preserve the evidence," Specter said. As for keeping the tapes out of the hands of others: "All you have to do is lock up the tapes."

Belichick was fined $500,000 and the team was fined $250,000 because of the Spygate incident. The Patriots also forfeited a first-round draft pick.

Specter has questioned the quality of the NFL's investigation into the matter and raised the possibility of congressional hearings if he wasn't satisfied with Goodell's answers. Specter also raised the threat of Congress canceling the league's antitrust exemption and reiterated that in the meeting with Goodell.

Goodell also said he has not heard from Matt Walsh, the former Patriots employee who performed some videotaping duties for the team.

Walsh told The Associated Press last week during the Pro Bowl in Hawaii that he couldn't talk about allegations that he taped a walkthrough practice by the St. Louis Rams before the 2002 Super Bowl. New England, a two-touchdown underdog, won that game 20-17.

Goodell said he has offered Walsh a deal whereby "he has to tell the truth and he has to return anything he took improperly" in return for indemnity. Specter said he, too, wanted to talk to Walsh and perhaps offer a different deal.

Goodell also said he reserves the right to reopen the investigation if more information is uncovered.



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I still don't get how this involves Senators and such, but everyone was doing it anyhow.
 
Originally Posted by dreClark

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What ya gonna do Goodell????

This ought to be interesting....
this news isnt new.
Goodell has known this since he met with Bellichek.

What's gonna end up being the breaking point is if, the allegations of the Pats taping the Rams walk thru ends up being true. If so,
[biggie] better kiss yo +$@ goodbyeeeeeeeee[/biggie]

because Bill would have lied and not divulged other instances where he used his film technique.
I can see Mike Ditka now, having a field day with this, it if ends up being true
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But I thought that this was legal and that every team did it up until last year...so this shouldn't be an issue....but maybe I'm wrong
 
yeah, because the Pats are the ONLY organization to do this. get real people and wake up from your little dream world.
You think Belicheck just stumbled upon this since he was a head coach.
This goes way deeper than that. He learned it from somebody (Parcells) who learned it from somebody.
And not to mention, how many Pats assistants have been plucked to go to other teams and how many teams have been influenced by Parcells (and that includeeverybody's new favorite team, the Giants).
I really don't think people wanna open this can of worms.
It's gonna be like the steroids thing in baseball. nobody admitted to anything until that Mitchell Report came out and then people who got caught said"yeah, I did it."
people need to give it a rest. But I guess when you are pretty much the best at what you do, people will take any shots they can at you.

-J-
 
Originally Posted by JBug88

yeah, because the Pats are the ONLY organization to do this. get real people and wake up from your little dream world.
You think Belicheck just stumbled upon this since he was a head coach.
This goes way deeper than that. He learned it from somebody (Parcells) who learned it from somebody.
And not to mention, how many Pats assistants have been plucked to go to other teams and how many teams have been influenced by Parcells (and that include everybody's new favorite team, the Giants).
I really don't think people wanna open this can of worms.
It's gonna be like the steroids thing in baseball. nobody admitted to anything until that Mitchell Report came out and then people who got caught said "yeah, I did it."
people need to give it a rest. But I guess when you are pretty much the best at what you do, people will take any shots they can at you.

-J-

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Originally Posted by dreClark

Originally Posted by JBug88

yeah, because the Pats are the ONLY organization to do this. get real people and wake up from your little dream world.
You think Belicheck just stumbled upon this since he was a head coach.
This goes way deeper than that. He learned it from somebody (Parcells) who learned it from somebody.
And not to mention, how many Pats assistants have been plucked to go to other teams and how many teams have been influenced by Parcells (and that include everybody's new favorite team, the Giants).
I really don't think people wanna open this can of worms.
It's gonna be like the steroids thing in baseball. nobody admitted to anything until that Mitchell Report came out and then people who got caught said "yeah, I did it."
people need to give it a rest. But I guess when you are pretty much the best at what you do, people will take any shots they can at you.

-J-

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seriously..tell me what is funny. I need a good laugh.
I even got the rolling laughing smiley. must be something good.
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-J-
 
Originally Posted by JBug88

yeah, because the Pats are the ONLY organization to do this. get real people and wake up from your little dream world.
You think Belicheck just stumbled upon this since he was a head coach.
This goes way deeper than that. He learned it from somebody (Parcells) who learned it from somebody.
And not to mention, how many Pats assistants have been plucked to go to other teams and how many teams have been influenced by Parcells (and that include everybody's new favorite team, the Giants).
I really don't think people wanna open this can of worms.
It's gonna be like the steroids thing in baseball. nobody admitted to anything until that Mitchell Report came out and then people who got caught said "yeah, I did it."
people need to give it a rest. But I guess when you are pretty much the best at what you do, people will take any shots they can at you.

-J-
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Originally Posted by JBug88

yeah, because the Pats are the ONLY organization to do this. get real people and wake up from your little dream world.
You think Belicheck just stumbled upon this since he was a head coach.
This goes way deeper than that. He learned it from somebody (Parcells) who learned it from somebody.
And not to mention, how many Pats assistants have been plucked to go to other teams and how many teams have been influenced by Parcells (and that include everybody's new favorite team, the Giants).
I really don't think people wanna open this can of worms.
It's gonna be like the steroids thing in baseball. nobody admitted to anything until that Mitchell Report came out and then people who got caught said "yeah, I did it."
people need to give it a rest. But I guess when you are pretty much the best at what you do, people will take any shots they can at you.

-J-
yea right, and let me guess.... you were one of the people saying leave Barry Bonds alone, huh? Barry Bonds>>>>>Billicheat
 
Originally Posted by GUNNA GET IT

What's gonna end up being the breaking point is if, the allegations of the Pats taping the Rams walk thru ends up being true. If so,
[biggie] better kiss yo +$@ goodbyeeeeeeeee[/biggie]

Yep.
Him taping back all the way since 2000 is terrible, but not shocking IMO. And not to make ANY excuses for this franchise, but him taping in 2000didn't help at all (the team went 5-11). 2001 came the SB win (if they cheated vs. Rams, like Gunna said....they're done)....2002 they didn't makethe playoffs.

Taping other teams signals or w/e the hell they do is a disgrace to the game and is certainly cheating. But I guess what I was trying to say was it doesn'tmake or break a game...you still have to go out there and perform. The reason I could say this is even if, let's say, they used tape in EVERY game since2000....you would have thought they would have had more "perfect" regular seasons like the one that passed, no? The fact that they went 5-11 thefirst season, won the SB but could have been easily been ousted in the divisional playoffs due to the tuck rule and proceeded not to make the playoffs thefollowing season shows me that the taping is an unfair advantage but it can only help you for so much. Look at the year that just passed...they got caughtduring the first game of the year, were forced to hand over all evidence they still had and was destroyed and proceeded to go 18...and 1
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. Obviously, the tapes had a minimal impact on their "success" beforethe SB so at the end of the day, the players still have to play and perform.

Again, don't get me wrong. Ever since this thing was blown up, I've always been level-headed and criticized them for doing what they did and IMO thefranchise will be ruined if its proven they cheated during the SB. But taping can only get you so far...
 
Originally Posted by JBug88

yeah, because the Pats are the ONLY organization to do this. get real people and wake up from your little dream world.
You think Belicheck just stumbled upon this since he was a head coach.
This goes way deeper than that. He learned it from somebody (Parcells) who learned it from somebody.
And not to mention, how many Pats assistants have been plucked to go to other teams and how many teams have been influenced by Parcells (and that include everybody's new favorite team, the Giants).
I really don't think people wanna open this can of worms.
It's gonna be like the steroids thing in baseball. nobody admitted to anything until that Mitchell Report came out and then people who got caught said "yeah, I did it."
people need to give it a rest. But I guess when you are pretty much the best at what you do, people will take any shots they can at you.

-J-
 
Originally Posted by DSK aka iLLoQuent

Originally Posted by GUNNA GET IT

What's gonna end up being the breaking point is if, the allegations of the Pats taping the Rams walk thru ends up being true. If so,
[biggie] better kiss yo +$@ goodbyeeeeeeeee[/biggie]

Yep.
Him taping back all the way since 2000 is terrible, but not shocking IMO. And not to make ANY excuses for this franchise, but him taping in 2000 didn't help at all (the team went 5-11). 2001 came the SB win (if they cheated vs. Rams, like Gunna said....they're done)....2002 they didn't make the playoffs.

Taping other teams signals or w/e the hell they do is a disgrace to the game and is certainly cheating. But I guess what I was trying to say was it doesn't make or break a game...you still have to go out there and perform. The reason I could say this is even if, let's say, they used tape in EVERY game since 2000....you would have thought they would have had more "perfect" regular seasons like the one that passed, no? The fact that they went 5-11 the first season, won the SB but could have been easily been ousted in the divisional playoffs due to the tuck rule and proceeded not to make the playoffs the following season shows me that the taping is an unfair advantage but it can only help you for so much. Look at the year that just passed...they got caught during the first game of the year, were forced to hand over all evidence they still had and was destroyed and proceeded to go 18...and 1
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. Obviously, the tapes had a minimal impact on their "success" before the SB so at the end of the day, the players still have to play and perform.

Again, don't get me wrong. Ever since this thing was blown up, I've always been level-headed and criticized them for doing what they did and IMO the franchise will be ruined if its proven they cheated during the SB. But taping can only get you so far...
you're right, taping can only let you know exactly know what the other team is going to run on a particular play. You know the team is going to runa sweep to the right, and after they stack the box to the right one of them has to make the tackle!!!!!!!!!
 
Originally Posted by DSK aka iLLoQuent

Originally Posted by GUNNA GET IT

What's gonna end up being the breaking point is if, the allegations of the Pats taping the Rams walk thru ends up being true. If so,
[biggie] better kiss yo +$@ goodbyeeeeeeeee[/biggie]

Yep.
Him taping back all the way since 2000 is terrible, but not shocking IMO. And not to make ANY excuses for this franchise, but him taping in 2000 didn't help at all (the team went 5-11). 2001 came the SB win (if they cheated vs. Rams, like Gunna said....they're done)....2002 they didn't make the playoffs.

Taping other teams signals or w/e the hell they do is a disgrace to the game and is certainly cheating. But I guess what I was trying to say was it doesn't make or break a game...you still have to go out there and perform. The reason I could say this is even if, let's say, they used tape in EVERY game since 2000....you would have thought they would have had more "perfect" regular seasons like the one that passed, no? The fact that they went 5-11 the first season, won the SB but could have been easily been ousted in the divisional playoffs due to the tuck rule and proceeded not to make the playoffs the following season shows me that the taping is an unfair advantage but it can only help you for so much. Look at the year that just passed...they got caught during the first game of the year, were forced to hand over all evidence they still had and was destroyed and proceeded to go 18...and 1
frown.gif
. Obviously, the tapes had a minimal impact on their "success" before the SB so at the end of the day, the players still have to play and perform.

Again, don't get me wrong. Ever since this thing was blown up, I've always been level-headed and criticized them for doing what they did and IMO the franchise will be ruined if its proven they cheated during the SB. But taping can only get you so far...

Come on dude didn't the Patriots win 21-22 straight games spanning part of two seasons and the playoffs..

is that really "minimal"? Plus all that winning gave the Pats really good players for cheap. Rosy Colvin (A Midway monster)

played for peanuts just to get a ring

and Moss just up and quit in Oakland yet as a Pat...
 
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