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Jill Stein is raising money to launch a recount.

The nerve of this woman :rofl:

She asking for 2.5 million, she is up to 350K already. Friday is the deadline
 
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-And no one is using this just to complain about Clinton losing. 
That is literally, exactly what is happening. That is THE reason people are even bringing up her popular vote lead. 
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And on that note, there's a very high chance that if they ever did switch to the popular vote, there'd be standard ID regulations for voters all across the board, as the states would have little to no power, because they wouldn't matter in said scenario. And you can kinda guess where that would go, which would only lead to more complaints about suppression, photo ID laws, status of immigrants, etc. There is almost no way this would ever pass without the apparent "Democrat Advantage" being handicapped.
 
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-And no one is using this just to complain about Clinton losing. 
That is literally, exactly what is happening. That is THE reason people are even bringing up her popular vote lead. :lol:

And on that note, there's a very high chance that if they ever did switch to the popular vote, there'd be standard ID regulations for voters all across the board, as the states would have little to no power, because they wouldn't matter in said scenario. And you can kinda guess where that would go, which would only lead to more complaints about suppression, photo ID laws, stats of immigrants, etc. There is almost no way this would ever pass without the apparent "Democrat Advantage" being handicapped.

No it is not. Miss me with this strawman

It was brought up before to argue against Trump having a mandate, or his presidency reflects the will of the people.

I have even given you alternative reasons why it is bad, ones you seemed to have completely ignored out of convenience

Moving to popular vote, if it every happening, doesn't guarantee or make more likely any of the things you listed.

Holding onto a strawman after strawman seems to be your only tactic in this debate.
 
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Just give corporations more money. This has been a proven winner for the last few decades!!
According to Ninja, the more money the big dogs have, the more leftovers us peasants will get....makes all the sense in the world...lmao

Naive can't even begin to describe this mindset.
oh look, people who wanted da status quo to continue.....zzzzz.....zzzzz.....worst recovery since da great deppression........
 
 
you talking to me like i care what you got to say...that's da funniest thing so far  :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


go kick rocks b.


Trump gon' have that fossil fuel energy sector jumpin like da trap at da first of da month.


Trump ain't gonna do **** but line his pockets with money through corruption while our economy goes to **** and pollution takes over our breathable air.
sure he is b.....

day one all those coal power regulations, and drilling bans, fracking,  keystone pipeline, etc from Obama's executive actions go down da drain..

then TPP gets tossed in da basura.

next, tax reform is gonna pass,

and you can pretty much sit on your *** and have double da GDP growth Obama's ever had in 8 years.

then when NAFTA gets either redone in our favor or scrapped and all that overseas repatriated money comes back after da corporate taxes

go to one of da lowest in da world, we reallllly get to da money. :nthat:  

Let me break this down one by one.

In regards to the energy bans and such. Oil is below 50 per barrel and will probably stay there even with OPEC limiting production. So at that level coal is inefficient. We still produce plenty of natural gas as is and same with oil. Some potential projects will be on hold but that is because the markets are showing the energy prices are low meaning these projects are inefficient. Meaning nothing is going to change much.

The TPP is a mixed bag. We have free trade or extremely low tariffs already with some of these countries. It wouldn't have changed all that much. But by leaving we are allowing China to influence the region which hurts us from a power play stand point. These trade pacts are generally good for people like me who work in consulting and such because we can maximize the benefits for companies. People could have cheaper products. It wouldn't affect jobs much.

In regards to NAFTA, trust me this won't do much. Even if they bring the factories back many will be maned by robots and people like me, meaning the educated like engineers, IT specialists, and consultants. Sorry buddy but the day of blue collar work is done. Get ready to be unemployed by 2022 when all trucking will be automated.

And lastly in regards to taxes. So fine there probably will be a 1 time inflow of 250 billion in tax revenue with repatriations. But when those company bring back that money you know where it'll go to? Stock buy-backs and dividends meaning again people like me with large stock portfolios and 401ks will reap the benefits. Blue collar worker, ehh not so much.

And by my estimates with what you said you were making you maybe will see an extra 2-4K in your pocket. If that amount of money is going to change your life then you have really low standards. Here's he problem tho with your assessment, he's focusing first on tax cuts for business with changes to individuals being on the back burner for now so you really won't see anything until 2018 the earliest. By then we'll probably be in the midst of a mild recession and tax cuts will be off the table because tax revenue will be down again. Automation of work won't change though so guess who gets the short end of the stick again as they look to cut low skilled work again?

You really just don't get it how this works do you.
 
 
you talking to me like i care what you got to say...that's da funniest thing so far  :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


go kick rocks b.


Trump gon' have that fossil fuel energy sector jumpin like da trap at da first of da month.


Trump ain't gonna do **** but line his pockets with money through corruption while our economy goes to **** and pollution takes over our breathable air.
sure he is b.....

day one all those coal power regulations, and drilling bans, fracking,  keystone pipeline, etc from Obama's executive actions go down da drain..

then TPP gets tossed in da basura.

next, tax reform is gonna pass,

and you can pretty much sit on your *** and have double da GDP growth Obama's ever had in 8 years.

then when NAFTA gets either redone in our favor or scrapped and all that overseas repatriated money comes back after da corporate taxes

go to one of da lowest in da world, we reallllly get to da money. :nthat:  
well if trump doesn't deliver the miracles he has promised and you're feeling poor and betrayed in a couple years, i'll buy you a drink.

we can hop in our automatically driven solar-powered zip cars and meet somewhere in the middle. maybe i can even get you out of NYC.
 
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you talking to me like i care what you got to say...that's da funniest thing so far  :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


go kick rocks b.


Trump gon' have that fossil fuel energy sector jumpin like da trap at da first of da month.


Trump ain't gonna do **** but line his pockets with money through corruption while our economy goes to **** and pollution takes over our breathable air.
sure he is b.....

day one all those coal power regulations, and drilling bans, fracking,  keystone pipeline, etc from Obama's executive actions go down da drain..

then TPP gets tossed in da basura.

next, tax reform is gonna pass,

and you can pretty much sit on your *** and have double da GDP growth Obama's ever had in 8 years.

then when NAFTA gets either redone in our favor or scrapped and all that overseas repatriated money comes back after da corporate taxes

go to one of da lowest in da world, we reallllly get to da money. :nthat:  

Let me break this down one by one.

In regards to the energy bans and such. Oil is below 50 per barrel and will probably stay there even with OPEC limiting production. So at that level coal is inefficient. We still produce plenty of natural gas as is and same with oil. Some potential projects will be on hold but that is because the markets are showing the energy prices are low meaning these projects are inefficient. Meaning nothing is going to change much.

The TPP is a mixed bag. We have free trade or extremely low tariffs already with some of these countries. It wouldn't have changed all that much. But by leaving we are allowing China to influence the region which hurts us from a power play stand point. These trade pacts are generally good for people like me who work in consulting and such because we can maximize the benefits for companies. People could have cheaper products. It wouldn't affect jobs much.

In regards to NAFTA, trust me this won't do much. Even if they bring the factories back many will be maned by robots and people like me, meaning the educated like engineers, IT specialists, and consultants. Sorry buddy but the day of blue collar work is done. Get ready to be unemployed by 2022 when all trucking will be automated.

And lastly in regards to taxes. So fine there probably will be a 1 time inflow of 250 billion in tax revenue with repatriations. But when those company bring back that money you know where it'll go to? Stock buy-backs and dividends meaning again people like me with large stock portfolios and 401ks will reap the benefits. Blue collar worker, ehh not so much.

And by my estimates with what you said you were making you maybe will see an extra 2-4K in your pocket. If that amount of money is going to change your life then you have really low standards. Here's he problem tho with your assessment, he's focusing first on tax cuts for business with changes to individuals being on the back burner for now so you really won't see anything until 2018 the earliest. By then we'll probably be in the midst of a mild recession and tax cuts will be off the table because tax revenue will be down again. Automation of work won't change though so guess who gets the short end of the stick again as they look to cut low skilled work again?

You really just don't get it how this works do you.
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He's going to keep caping and deflecting but well done
 
w/e b....

oil is under 50 a gallon because OPEC is over producing because Iran and Saudi Arabia fighting for market share...once that's resolved and they figure to try to cut production we wont care because we'll be busying drilling our own oil.

and its all about reinvesting into OUR country, if that takes companies getting paid, and bringing back their earnings to do it..so be it.

da bottomline is Trump is gonna have da GDP popping off da jump.
 
No it is not. Miss me with this strawman

It was brought up before to argue against Trump having a mandate, or his presidency reflects the will of the people.

I have even given you alternative reasons why it is bad, ones you seemed to have completely ignored out of convenience

Moving to popular vote, if it every happening, doesn't guarantee or make more likely any of the things you listed.

Holding onto a strawman after strawman seems to be your only tactic in this debate.
He DOES have the will of the people, by the system that determines the presidency. What are you talking about a strawman? The popular vote in the 2016 election is meaningless. Fact. Thats NOT the current system. Fact.

The "2 million lead" some of you want to talk about has no relevancy. Thats not to say that there can't be discussion about its merits, but it is completely and utterly irrelevant to the 2016 election, and a good chunk of the discussion is certainly happening because we don't like that Trump won.

Any changes to the current method wouldn't be straightforward. States have inconsistent laws regarding voting that would have to get changed, things would get more standardized, probably a bit tighter overall. The Electoral College allows for the inconsistency and puts more powers in the states hands, but it wouldn't work in a direct vote. It would get way more federal, and considering who's in charge there, I'd argue they could easily make it worse off than you'd want.
 
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ninja, if the automated driving things puts you out of a job, you should be a motivational speaker. even if not, you should consider it.
 
Let me break this down one by one.

In regards to the energy bans and such. Oil is below 50 per barrel and will probably stay there even with OPEC limiting production. So at that level coal is inefficient. We still produce plenty of natural gas as is and same with oil. Some potential projects will be on hold but that is because the markets are showing the energy prices are low meaning these projects are inefficient. Meaning nothing is going to change much.

The TPP is a mixed bag. We have free trade or extremely low tariffs already with some of these countries. It wouldn't have changed all that much. But by leaving we are allowing China to influence the region which hurts us from a power play stand point. These trade pacts are generally good for people like me who work in consulting and such because we can maximize the benefits for companies. People could have cheaper products. It wouldn't affect jobs much.

In regards to NAFTA, trust me this won't do much. Even if they bring the factories back many will be maned by robots and people like me, meaning the educated like engineers, IT specialists, and consultants. Sorry buddy but the day of blue collar work is done. Get ready to be unemployed by 2022 when all trucking will be automated.

And lastly in regards to taxes. So fine there probably will be a 1 time inflow of 250 billion in tax revenue with repatriations. But when those company bring back that money you know where it'll go to? Stock buy-backs and dividends meaning again people like me with large stock portfolios and 401ks will reap the benefits. Blue collar worker, ehh not so much.

And by my estimates with what you said you were making you maybe will see an extra 2-4K in your pocket. If that amount of money is going to change your life then you have really low standards. Here's he problem tho with your assessment, he's focusing first on tax cuts for business with changes to individuals being on the back burner for now so you really won't see anything until 2018 the earliest. By then we'll probably be in the midst of a mild recession and tax cuts will be off the table because tax revenue will be down again. Automation of work won't change though so guess who gets the short end of the stick again as they look to cut low skilled work again?

You really just don't get it how this works do you.

I'd be surprised if he even reads this...deflection game too skrong with Ninja.

I'm quoting this on every page from this point forth...my dude on his 34947473 victory lap since the election, completely oblivious to the idea that Trump is gonna **** him with no lube :lol:
 
When has trickle down economics ever worked in the long run :lol:
Why we got to repeat history again? :lol:
 
Companies don't give a **** about reinvesting into this country. The only thing they care about are return on investments. It's why tech companies moved their patents and such to Ireland where they pay less than 1% taxes on those revenues. If there is an opportunity to run freely and can attract top talent while doing it they'll move to Somalia.

Before arguing the economy and business at least have an intermediate level of understanding. You are throwing stuff at the wall hoping it sticks but you are only detailing part of the truth. You were right about the election and I gave you props for that a few pages back. However, when it comes to this you have too many people that consult these firms that work and post on these forums. Challenging us is making you look like a fool. This is our job and livelihood so we know and understand it thoroughly.
 
My son really thinks these big industries gonna reopen factories in Detroit and get the conveyer belts rolling again...my son is 2016!!!! This isn't the 1970's b those jobs are gone and never coming back

Reminds me of that GE commercial where this grandfather gets his Millenial grandson a hammer or something along those lines and he tells him he works for GE but not doing any manual labor...and the grandad is completely lost :lol:
 
No it is not. Miss me with this strawman


It was brought up before to argue against Trump having a mandate, or his presidency reflects the will of the people.


I have even given you alternative reasons why it is bad, ones you seemed to have completely ignored out of convenience


Moving to popular vote, if it every happening, doesn't guarantee or make more likely any of the things you listed.


Holding onto a strawman after strawman seems to be your only tactic in this debate.
He DOES have the will of the people, by the system that determines the presidency. What are you talking about a strawman? The popular vote in the 2016 election is meaningless. Fact. Thats NOT the current system. Fact.

The "2 million lead" some of you want to talk about has no relevancy. Thats not to say that there can't be discussion about its merits, but it is completely and utterly irrelevant to the 2016 election, and a good chunk of the discussion is certainly happening because we don't like that Trump won.

Any changes to the current method wouldn't be straightforward. States have inconsistent laws regarding voting that would have to get changed, things would get more standardized, probably a bit tighter overall. The Electoral College allows for the inconsistency and puts more powers in the states hands, but it wouldn't work in a direct vote. It would get way more federal, and considering who's in charge there, I'd argue they could easily make it worse off than you'd want.

i agree with you that changing the system would be difficult and wouldn't necessarily come out better in the end.

but i do think the popular vote count is still relevant. to use a ninja sports analogy, it's like if you get dominated and blown out in round 1 of the playoffs, you can't say anything. but if you lose in the last second of the championship on a technicality, it probably means you were just as good as the winner.

no one is arguing that Trump's victory wasn't a surprise. but what we are saying is that we expected a severe blowout and instead he was able to win because of the way the electoral college is set up. those are significant nuances.
 
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My son really thinks these big industries gonna reopen factories in Detroit and get the conveyer belts rolling again...my son is 2016!!!! This isn't the 1970's b those jobs are gone and never coming back

Reminds me of that GE commercial where this grandfather gets his Millenial grandson a hammer or something along those lines and he tells him he works for GE but not doing any manual labor...and the grandad is completely lost :lol:

There's a reason why I posted those factory videos a few pages back. Ninja needs to see what modern manufacturing really is like. There aren't thousands of people manning the assembly lines like 4 decades ago.
 
There's a reason why I posted those factory videos a few pages back. Ninja needs to see what modern manufacturing really is like. There aren't thousands of people manning the assembly lines like 4 decades ago.

Son think dudes gonna be dusting off their hard hats and welding cars together by hand :rofl:
 
Y'all taking ninja too seriously :lol:
He's a guy that talks about hemis and investing in coal stocks in the stock market, but he hasnt invested in either.
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Anyway, enjoy life guys.
 
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