Doesn’t feel like they are angled down towards the tip of the toe box in the shoe like the 9’s felt. And the tongue on the 17’s is very similar to the 8’s except a bit more sturdy and actually provides some padding and support with the laces inter weaved through it.
I don't know man, might be a while. Honestly not real excited about these.
My good buddy hit on that white/silver pair and he told me the tongue is awful, got me concerned for hooping.
Only really like the "ash" (black/grey) colorway so far, but I'll come back in and post if I end up...