ADOS

[gry60]

I missed the point because it was poorly made. You asserted that our passports, borders and institutions are no different, ignoring the fact that those of your homeland are inaccessible to ados. I’m a male sir, I don’t throw shade, I make statements. All blacks are living in a system of white supremacy, that has never been denied.

You missed the point because you are so hung up on that "us vs them" perspective that you didn't realize that everything I have said only makes sense within an American context.

And LOL at you invoking your manhood when all you've been doing is appeals to emotion instead of addressing the logical counterpoints to the strategy.

Throwing shade fits just right.

 

[largofool]

Pretty sure the State Department made me take an oath denouncing all loyalty to any foreign country, and pledge complete loyalty to the United States even to the point of promising to go to war for them.

I swear some dudes operate under the conservative frame that immigrants are just here to leech.

All that stated doesn't negate the fact that you have access to resources and opportunities in your native country that ados don't. You can always take your ball and go home. We are home. That’s why our ways of fighting to right the wrongs of this country are different, despite your insistence that our goals are the same.

who's operating under the assumption that immigrants are here to leach? be careful, I think you may be projecting some insecurities. Oops.

 

[largofool]

You missed the point because you are so hung up on that "us vs them" perspective that you didn't realize that everything I have said only makes sense within an American context.

And LOL at you invoking your manhood when all you've been doing is appeals to emotion instead of addressing the logical counterpoints to the strategy.

Throwing shade fits just right.

if you not with us, goal and/or methods, you are naturally against us. does my manhood offend you? Do you find it toxic? my apologies for 'throwing shade' being absent in my everyday vernacular.
but you know what isn't.....
#ados. no tangibles, no vote

 

[ggarvinxx3]

Theres non-ASOS dudes in this the coli thread that's with reparations for ADOS

https://www.thecoli.com/threads/“no...how-you-gon-act-when-them-checks-drop.697768/

 

[RustyShackleford]

Non-ADOS supporting reparations for ADOS, so just like this thread.

 

[hand2handking]

Democrats Aren't Serious About Reparations



https://theweek.com/articles/828600/democrats-arent-serious-about-reparations

Since Ta-Nehisi Coates published his landmark article "The Case for Reparations," the idea of paying the descendants of slaves some sort of compensation has been a regular area of discussion. It has come up in the 2020 Democratic primary contest, with numerous candidates expressing at least rhetorical support. Three candidates so far have come out in favor. Elizabeth Warren says: "We must confront the dark history of slavery and government-sanctioned discrimination in this country." Kamala Harris says: "I'm serious about taking an approach that would change policies and structures and make real investments in black communities." Julian Castro endorsed the policy more recently, saying, "I have long thought that this country would be better off if we did find a way to do that."

But there is reason to doubt the seriousness of these sentiments. There is a huge need for something like reparations, but so far none of these candidates has evinced anything like the ferocious radicalism that would require.

At a basic level, the case for some kind of reparations is strong. It is simply inarguable that black Americans have faced systematic economic looting throughout American history. Slave labor created enormous profits for white businesses across the antebellum U.S., not just the South — indeed, Wall Street ran a huge trade in slave-backed securities and other instruments. Under Jim Crow, blacks were basically enserfed, with similar extractive results. Blacks were frozen out of many key New Deal economic structures, especially government-insured home loans — the key route to middle-class wealth after the Second World War.

Even when blacks got some access to mortgage finance after the Civil Rights Movement, they still faced discrimination up to this day — indeed, they suffered worst of all major race groups from the botched response to the post-2008 foreclosure crisis, which devastated black wealth. While Wall Street was bailed out, the fraction of black homeowners underwater on their mortgages increased by 20-fold from 2007-2013, and average black home equity is still down $16,700 from its 2007 peak as of 2016.

Those inequalities transmit themselves down the generations, through inheritance and ongoing racism. That history and reality is why there is such an enormous wealth gap between white and black Americans — $146,200 (or a 9.8-fold difference) measured at the median, or $760,700 (or a 6.4-fold difference) measured as an average.

So if we take one primary goal of reparations as closing the black-white wealth gap (as some advocates have proposed), the amounts involved would be very, very large. For instance, one estimate of Cory Booker's "baby bond" proposal — which would build up a social wealth fund of about $700 billion, and then pay out a means-tested lump sum to people turning 18 — found it would nearly close the median wealth gap.

That is a big policy. But even if that analysis is true, it would still miss the bulk of the wealth gap, because the median of any race group holds only a small fraction of its total wealth. If we want to adjust total wealth such that blacks would own a white-equivalent share relative to their fraction of the population, we would need to move $15.2 trillion (or 17.5 percent of total wealth) — either by giving blacks that much directly, or taking $7.6 trillion from whites. On the other hand, if you try to calculate the current worth of stolen slave labor, the result is roughly between $1.75 trillion and $12.5 quadrillion.

Those are fantastically huge sums, which probably accounts for why every Democrat expressing rhetorical support for reparations have not come out for anything close to a program of that scale. Warren supports a bill to give means-tested support to first-time minority home buyers — perhaps a worthy effort, but tiny compared to the wealth gap. Castro didn't even endorse compensation as an idea, saying instead he would appoint a commission to study the issue. Harris says that her LIFT Act — a race-neutral expansion of the Earned Income Tax Credit — would sort of count as reparations.

This reluctance is probably also motivated by the fact that reparations poll extremely badly. A 2016 Marist poll found 68 percent of American adults are against the idea, while Data Progress found it 21 points underwater. Even working-class people of color only supported it by 15 points in the latter poll. It's likely a safe bet than any actual worked-out $15 trillion bill would be a lot more unpopular than that.

But if that's the case, then why are these candidates even bothering with rhetorical support? If you're trying to move the public with forthright advocacy of a bold policy, that's one thing, but endorsing the idea only to retreat when the scale of the problem becomes clear is quite another. Far better to be straight with the public and simply admit that it's not within the realm of political possibility as you see it. Casting facially race-neutral egalitarian policy like the EITC as reparations is perhaps worst of all, as it doesn't actually achieve the goals in question while associating it with a very unpopular idea.

If Democrats think reparations need to happen, then let's have that debate. But don't give us penny-ante moderation cloaked in radical symbolism.

 

[Maximus Meridius]

The fact that all these democrats get worked up and mad when asked questions about reparations or specifics to black americans says a lot. They just duck and dodge or use that "we're all americans" nonsense or the "us as minorities". That kinda talk is played out and some folks ain't fallen for it no more.

 

[All Ready]

Australia Aboriginals win right to sue for colonial land loss

None of which was accomplished by worshipping democrats or republicans nor do I feel left out or entitled to their potential money and def don’t feel like they’re alienating themselves from other groups...something yall seem to struggle with or purposely misdiagnose

Spoiler

Sydney, Australia- The High Court of Australia has handed down the biggest "native title" ruling affecting Aboriginal ownership of the land in decades, amid claims that billions of dollars in compensation will need to be paid by governments to indigenous groups.

"Native title" refers to the rights of Australia's indigenous people to their traditional land and water recognised by Australian common law.

Lawyers, including those representing mining companies, said the ruling in favour of the Ngaliwurru and Nungali Aboriginal groups - from a remote part of the Northern Territory - paved the way for billions of dollars in compensation nationally.

"The High Court's decision will likely to trigger compensation applications from many of the hundreds of native title holder groups around Australia," said Tony Denholder, in the wake of a case that a federal court ruled on in 2016 - before the High Court became involved.

The Native Title Act came about after the landmark "Mabo" decision in 1993 overturned the British claim that Australia was "terra nullius" - nobody's land. It found that Aboriginal rights to some, but by no means all land, survived colonisation and were not "extinguished".


Since then, Aboriginal groups have been able to file native title claims over large parts of the country.

Now, the High Court has handed down another landmark ruling on the matter of paying compensation for the loss of those rights - the loss of economic income related to the land and the loss of a spiritual connection to the land. Or in other words, putting a financial price on the severing of cultural ties.

In 2016, the Ngaliwurru and Nungali Aboriginal groups awarded $2.3m in damages because the federal court found that their native title rights were "extinguished" by the Northern Territory government when it built roads and infrastructure through their country near Timber Creek in the 1980s and 90s.

About $1m of that was for "spiritual harm", which the Northern Territory and Federal governments argued was excessive. But the High Court this week disagreed.

Megan Brayne, a native title lawyer and director of the Comhar Group, told Al Jazeera it was the most important native title ruling in more than 20 years.

"This is a very important case because it is the first time the High Court has set out the principles for compensation. State lawyers will be particularly interested in analysing their compensation liabilities," she said.

"Where companies are operating on land post-1975 there will be lawyers looking at this."

Racial discrimination act

Spoiler

That 1975 date is key because it is the year Australia brought in the Racial Discrimination Act - 18 years before the Native Title Act, but just as important.

"Only then did governments have to treat the property rights of Aboriginal Australians the same as other Australians," explained James Walkley, a native title lawyer with Chalk and Behrendt.

"Since the first colonisation of Australia, Aboriginal people have been dispossessed of property and culture, but only since 1975 has the loss of native title become compensable."

Unwittingly, state and territory governments, or mining and pastoral companies working with the blessing of the government, continued to "extinguish" native title by their activities, right up until that landmark Mabo ruling and the Native Title Act in 1993.

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The Ngaliwurru and Nungali groups were assisted in their fight for compensation by the Northern Land Council - the major Aboriginal representative group on land matters in the Northern Territory - which took the case to court.

Interim CEO Jak Ah Kit confirmed other groups were in the works waiting to take advantage of the ruling.

"Already I've been notified of other groups," he told Al Jazeera.

"This is a ruling that brings a different light on native title and the cultural and spiritual loss, let alone the inability to take any economic opportunities [from the land]. We need to revisit those cases where they were unjustly compulsorily acquired by governments, and we'll then need to take instructions from them," he said.

"The whole board game changes."

Brayne said while the ruling provides "significant guidance" in looming court cases, there were still many matters left open by the case, not least how to determine the appropriate amounts of compensation.

She remained hopeful agreements could be found before the more costly path of litigation.


"If not, we can expect there'll be more matters before the courts," said Brayne.

I only used one spoiler but it keeps breaking the article into 2 spoilers and the text size changed cause the copy


https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019/03/australia-aboriginals-win-sue-colonial-land-loss-190315062311052.html&psig=AOvVaw3KW4o6r-5X6ma_cDbOGpXj&ust=1552859913268907

 

[largofool]

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/4901613_The_Economics_of_Reparations

 

[largofool]

Exactly. You can’t even discuss a proper form of reparation with your brothers without playing some weird *** you don’t have a say card. You’re more invested in a handout from the white man then investment in a community finding its sense of self. Keep waiting for that lump some

 

[gry60]

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/4901613_The_Economics_of_Reparations

Page 336: Economics and Reparations.

Read the part about the potential disadvantages of lump sum payments.

The scenario described is exactly how African countries (poor countries in general) stay in a seemingly neverending cycle of debt: borrow money from rich country to build roads in order to increase economic activity, but because the expertise to build roads within the poor country doesn't exist, they hire companies from rich country to build roads. And so, the money that was injected in poor country by rich country returns to rich country through its road-building companies, and poor country is left without the expertise to build more roads, the money that was supposed to circulate within poor country's economy, and on top of that the interest they have to pay on the original loan.

But what do I know? I'm just an immigrant staying in the way of your money...

 

[largofool]

 

[largofool]

 

[hand2handking]

 

[lamekilla]

But I 101% support reparations for ADOS so what are you insinuating here? That black people deserve money because other persecuted minorities from the US got money as well? That’s fair...if you think what Africans suffered with slavery is even remotely comparable to what other races suffered at the hand of the US. The African slave trade is the most vile thing to happen in the history of the world. I personally don’t think throwing money at the situation is a suitable option because the problems in the Black community are deeper than disparity of wealth. That’s not to say that money won’t help many situations but it doesn’t even begin to scratch the surface. And shouldn’t this be about helping blacks as a whole? Even if you want to single out only the ADOS contingency what does a lump some do for someone who is financially illiterate? You want them to put money back in white peoples pockets? You’ve been crying for ADOS to receive monetary reparations but you haven’t once given a suitable plan of action with said money. Bring your thoughts into the table instead of perpetuating the victim mentality we’re so famously known for.

 

[sugafree]

More patronizing behavior. Black immigrant enters thread titled ados and wants to police the posting, thoughts, and behavior of ados while telling them what they deserve to receive for America’s greatest sin and the best way to receive it all while crying xenophobia and telling you you’re stupid for valuing your vote....

I would never even acknowledge a non ADOS..when it comes to this issue..can give a **** less what they have to say

 

[Rootin4EverybodyBlack]

In what form do y'all want reparations tho?
Because I fully support something that would properly fun majority black public schools and HBCUs, create scholarship funds, more research grants, community development, etc.

But if we just talking about writing MFs a check, no thanks. That's honestly a waste of everybody's time.

 

[hand2handking]

 

[solesupreme93]

In what form do y'all want reparations tho?
Because I fully support something that would properly fun majority black public schools and HBCUs, create scholarship funds, more research grants, community development, etc.

But if we just talking about writing MFs a check, no thanks. That's honestly a waste of everybody's time.

why is that? Jews got a check, Japanese got a check, "native americans" got a check. Why can't we? lets close that economic gap

 

[Nouss]

why is that? Jews got a check, Japanese got a check, "native americans" got a check. Why can't we? lets close that economic gap

How much?

 

[hand2handking]

 

[hand2handking]

Slave Heritage is Big Business, Tainting the Diaspora’s Bonds With Africa

Ghana’s Elmina Castle was has been declared a World Heritage Site and renovated as a tourism destination. Reuters/Luc Gnago

https://theconversation.com/slave-h...ainting-the-diasporas-bonds-with-africa-70062

Ghana’s meandering coast is dotted with numerous forts and castles. These monuments were built between the 15th and 17th centuries by early modern European chartered companies. They were initially used for trading gold and other commodities. After Ghana became enmeshed in the trans-Atlantic slave trade in 1650 they were used as spaces to buy, torture and hold captured people before shipping them away from Africa.

Over the past three decades these landmark monuments have taken on another role. Ghana has developed a significant heritage tourism industry and the monuments have become tourist attractions. They particularly draw people of the original historic African diaspora.

The descendants of Africans who were captured and enslaved in the western Atlantic World return to the continent – and to the monuments – for a number of reasons. For many, it is a way to reconnect with their ancestry and find a sense of belonging in the African world. The memory of Africa can also be a source of strength, pride and identity.

Heritage tourism in Ghana provides an important opportunity for diasporic Africans to connect with their history and identity. But in the context of global neoliberal capitalism it also creates an uncomfortable continuity. Today the forts and castles of Ghana’s coast continue to fulfil one of the key purposes for which they were first built – making money. This trend has distorted the relationship between the historic African diaspora and the continent.

From Independence to Neoliberalism

The rise of Ghana’s heritage tourism industry coincided with a shift in its economic policy orientation. From independence in 1957 well into the 1980s the economy was largely state controlled. Its policies included government interventions aimed at easing the people’s hardships. But by the end of the 1990s Ghana’s economic, social and political policies had, by and large, become aligned with the global neoliberal agenda.

The economic and ideological system of neoliberalism is centred on the primacy of private property and private enterprise. Government intervention in the economy is discouraged. Neoliberalism operates on principles such as subsidy removal, social spending cuts and the privatisation of social services.

These free market and pro-business principles were imposed on developing countries desperate to secure loans to salvage and stabilise their erratic economies. Powerful international agencies made loans conditional on countries adopting neoliberal reforms. The Bretton Woods twin financial institutions of the World Bank and the International Monetary Fund did the same. In this way they were able to reshape the economies of many African countries, including Ghana’s.

The ultimate objective was to make developing countries toe the line of profit maximisation in both public and private sectors.

Tourism Potential and Profit

Tourism was identified and bolstered by the government as a viable, reliable and productive source of revenue within the framework of global neoliberalism.

Ghana boasts an irresistible package of celebrated cultural heritage. In addition to its extant European castles and forts, it also has a number of old slave markets, slave routes and slave cemeteries.

In 1993 Ghana boosted its tourism attractiveness with a US$10m investment project. This was planned and implemented by the Ghanaian authorities in conjunction with the United Nations Development Programme and the United States Agency for International Development.

It involved, among other things, the development of the Kakum National Park as well as the preservation and renovation of the Cape Coast and Elmina Castles. As if to glorify these sites, Unesco declared the castles and forts World Heritage sites. They were furnished with new museums and other tourist facilities.

The new policy targeted the massive patronage of the historic African diaspora, particularly those from the US, as effective partners in development.

Within the neoliberal framework, both the ideology of Pan-Africanismand the legacy of the trans-Atlantic slave trade became marketable commodities.

Tourists, Customers and Investors

African Americans were invited to come back to their “roots”. But increasingly they became aware that they were regarded as tourists and customers in Ghana. Some were also encouraged to become stakeholders in the broader project of capitalist development. Land grants and other business incentives were promised to the diaspora. The objective was to encourage foreign direct investment in the economy’s various sectors.

The travel and tourism sector was one where some of the historic African diaspora entered and did brisk business. Those with the necessary resources and expertise competed with their Ghanaian counterparts. By forming tour companies, they facilitated travel to the country in appreciable numbers. Others also invested in hotels and beach resorts.

In 2015 tourism and travel directly contributed a total of around GHC4.5 million (more than US $1 million) to Ghana’s GDP. This amounts to about 3.3% of national GDP.

This is good for business. But what does it mean for relations between the continent and the diaspora? Ghana’s forts and castles, among other things, were once used to make profit off African bodies. Today they continue to exist as money-making facilities. The legacy of slavery has been turned into a commodity and diasporic Africans are cast as tourists, investors, customers and foreigners – rather than members of the African family to which they belong.

 

[solesupreme93]

How much?

this is just recent payments that are still on going. https://www.washingtonpost.com/loca...ory.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.4c4f4b144f56

 

[hand2handking]

 

[lamekilla]

Somebody throw out a figure that is suitable for 230 years of slavery and another 160 years of oppression in this country. I want to laugh at you real quick.