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[hand2handking]

Americans Are Totally Fine With Reparations, Just Not For Slavery

https://qz.com/1569005/has-america-paid-reparations/

Since the second half of last century, countries like Germany, Austria, France, South Africa, and Canada have amended past wrongs by paying reparations to their victims.

The US, too, has supported reparations as a form of restorative justice. After World War II, it supported Jewish victims of the Holocaust in their demands for reparations from Germany and Austria. As recently as 2016, the US Department of State helped Holocaust survivors access the payment owed to them by a French railways company that was an accomplice in deportations.

Yet the debate about reparations for slavery has remained at the fringes of the US political discourse. Ever since now retired Michigan representative John Conyers Jr. proposed to create a commission to study how to appropriately compensate the descendants of slaves in 1978, the idea has been dismissed as unattainable and utopian, too progressive even for progressive candidates.

But the conversation now seems to be budging. A New York Times columnist (paywall) recently explained how he went from reparations skeptic to a convinced supporter of the cause. Meanwhile, reparations are appearing in the platforms of aspiring Democratic candidates, including Julián Castro. He told CNN’s Jake Tapper that if elected, he would appoint a reparations commission along the lines of what Conyers Jr. proposed decades ago.

Reparations are a daring topic to bring up during a campaign. About 70% of Americans oppose them—white Americans are the least in favor of it. Reparation opponents point to practical concerns as a major impediment. Who would pay? Who has the right to be paid? Does everyone get the same amount?

But these are questions that could be answered if there was political will to do so. After all, reparations have been paid numerous times in the US, at the federal, state and city levels—just not to descendants of slaves. Though slavery reparations would surpass those previously paid in amount and scope, their goal would be exactly the same.

Here are several instances in which Americans admitted to acting wrongly, and atoned.

US to Japanese Americans
During World War II, the US had its own concentration camps. Starting in Feb. 19, 1942, by executive order of president Franklin Delano Roosevelt, 125,000 people of Japanese descent were interned due to the unfunded suspicion that they would conspire against the US. Many of them were American citizens, but were nevertheless forced to relocate from their west coast homes to inland camps. The estimated losses for the community were estimated to be several billion, both in lost productivity and property income losses. In 1948, Congress issued a reparation fund of $38 million, and then awarded each survivor $20,000 in in 1990. About 80,000 people claimed reparations, for a total of about $1.6 billion.

US to Aleuts of Alaska
The Japanese weren’t the only ones who were displaced during WWII. While it was fighting against the Japanese, the US occupied the islands of Kiska and Attu, in the Alaskan Aleutian Chain, and deported 881 Aleuts to camps in Juneau, Alaska, about 2,000 miles from the islands. In 1988, about 450 living survivors of the camps were awarded $12,000 each. When the reparation act was signed, the US admitted that it had kept Aleuts in captivity for much longer than required for their safety, and failed to provide sufficient care of them. In 1995, further compensation was given to the communities for the loss and damage to churches during the war.

North Carolina to eugenics victims
In 2013, North Carolina became the first state to pay reparations to victims of forced sterilization and eugenic programs through a $10 million agreement. Eugenic programs—aimed at preventing reproduction of people who were incarcerated or believed to have physical and mental deficiencies—were common in most US states from the early 1900s. In 2015, Virginia, too, started a compensation program for victims of eugenic sterilization.

US to the Victims of the Tuskegee Experiment
In 1932, the US government left 399 black men with syphilis untreated in order to study the development of the disease. The study, called “Tuskegee Study of Untreated Syphilis in the Negro Male,” went on for 40 years. Overall, it involved 600 black men—201 of them were in the control group, and the rest had syphilis. They were not offered treatment even after successful cures had been widely adopted. After an Associated Press exposé led to the closure of the study, the victims filed a class action suit, settling for $10 millions’ worth of reparations for the survivors of the study, their widows, and their offspring. In 1995, a guarantee of free lifetime medical care for the victims, their children, and spouses, was added to the reparation sum.

Florida to the Survivors of the Rosewood Massacre
In January 1923, the black town of Rosewood in Florida was destroyed in a racist massacre. After the lynching of an innocent black man in response to an alleged rape attempt, a white mob attacked and destroyed Rosewood, burning homes and churches. At the time, the official death toll was eight, yet at least 26 victims have now been confirmed and the toll might be even higher.

In 1994, the state of Florida issued $2.1 million in compensation to be split amongst the massacre survivors.

City of Chicago to Victims of Police Torture
In 2015, the City of Chicago acknowledged that more than a hundred black prisoners had been subject to torture by the police, which pushed some to confess to crimes they hadn’t committed. The city awarded 57 survivors a payment in cash, together with free college and social services. The total sum of $5.5 million was officially labeled as “reparations,” and Chicago mayor Rahm Emanuel also issued an official apology and mandated that torture be studied in public school curricula.

Acknowledging Wrongs
In all of these cases, reparations were given out not just as financial compensation, but as a tangible recognition that a wrong had been done, and that the US—or its states and cities—held a debt towards a specific group.

Opposition to reparations for slavery suggests many Americans are not ready to accept that there is a debt to be paid to the descendants of those who endured the horrors of slavery and segregation under Jim Crow laws. But the budding debate could finally pave the way for acknowledgement, especially if presidential candidates keep talking about it.

 

[hand2handking]

@2:30

 

[sugafree]

Non ADOS folks should really just shut the **** up
How can ADOS blacks not get offended???
Every little bull**** rhetoric you all spew is always inaccurate because you can’t speak from personal experience therefore you could never be sincere towards the feelings of ADOS you simply can not relate to us mentally.
Most folks aren’t asking for sympathy or reparations...we just want non black american descendants of slavery to have enough consideration and respect to zip them ****in lips when it comes to OUR damaged dysfunctional mental health in AmeriKKKa.
Everybody and they mama always tryna dictate how we should feel when we quite frankly didn’t ask a damn.
Yes ADOS are special people...no we are not the same people as other people with black skin.

We are brothas and sistas....being in black skin alone doesn’t make you either.

 

[wr]

Part of being ADOS is the realization that the world wants everything from you and feels you deserve nothing at the same time. That's the only way to truly understand being black in America.

 

[gry60]

Non ADOS folks should really just shut the **** up

We will when you stop confusing who oppresses you.

 

[sugafree]

We will when you stop confusing who oppresses you.

No you will shut up and look at the ground when we are in your presence..as usual because yall know better.

 

[hand2handking]

Part of being ADOS is the realization that the world wants everything from you and feels you deserve nothing at the same time. That's the only way to truly understand being black in America.

this is why i asked if ados is the new term for black or not

like are ados now are the only black people?

 

[gry60]

No you will shut up and look at the ground when we are in your presence..as usual because yall know better.

Didn't expect anything else.

The irony of being disrespectful while asking for respect.

**** off.

You may have a legit claim towards the US, but that doesn't entitle you to say who should or shouldn't speak about it.

So you're gonna have to deal with the reality that you will have to make your case in front of other US citizens.

If the above is how you behave with those who agree with your position, good luck getting anything from people who don't even know what the **** you are talking about.

 

[lamekilla]

Non ADOS folks should really just shut the **** up
How can ADOS blacks not get offended???
Every little bull**** rhetoric you all spew is always inaccurate because you can’t speak from personal experience therefore you could never be sincere towards the feelings of ADOS you simply can not relate to us mentally.

can’t speak from personal experience?? Lmfao what have you experienced in this country that a non ADOS black person in this country hasn’t experienced?? Just the thought of green got you ready to turn and sell out your own brothers.....

 

[lamekilla]

this is why i asked if ados is the new term for black or not

like are ados now are the only black people?

They can’t answer those questions because they know the ridiculous moral soap box they would have to stand on to justify answering that would lead right to my point that a lump some payment in our community would be too divisive. We’re the same mother****as who pick on each other for skin tone. The systemic engineering the white world has done to us is way deeper than anything money can fix

 

[tay1]

His questions have been answered time and time again. And that question you quotes is phrased funny. No offense but I don't understand what he's asking.

Also, reparations being divisive to those who won't receive them isn't our problem.

 

[hand2handking]

actually they havent but iscool

 

[tay1]

actually they havent but iscool

I've answered PLENTY of the questions you've asked in the beginning of the thread. What happened after is a cluster**** of **** barely related to ADOS and the goals of the movement. Thread got out of hand and off the topic quickly

To answer the first question, ADOS is not a new term for black. ADOS is to categorize individuals who have a long lasting tenure within this country who have suffered from the effects of slavery, Jim crow, redlining, and so forth. It's truly as simple as that. Any further detailed questions are to be answered by Yvette Carnell and Antonio Moore. They created the movement . Anybody else answering certain specifics are doing so off the merit of their own views of politics, immigrants and so forth and aren't representative of what they want ADOS to stand for. Some folks want the movement to be anti immigrant when that isn't the case. Some want it to be anti voting when that isn't the case. Carnell has mentioned it plenty of times that she doesn't want the movement to suppress the black vote. ADOS simply is a category like how everybody else categorizes themselves. Simple.

 

[hand2handking]

so you spoke in here about how ados relates to africa?

about how the history of america (colonies to independance) plays into the identity of ados?

i posted the tweet about the us killing the somalians nobody responded to that?

if ados wants recompense for the spoils of slavery then do they also share in the atrocities used that money to commit around the world?

 

[tay1]

so you spoke in here about how ados relates to africa?

about how the history of america (colonies to independance) plays into the identity of ados?

i posted the tweet about the us killing the somalians nobody responded to that?

if ados wants recompense for the spoils of slavery then do they also share in the atrocities used that money to commit around the world?

No I didn't. This isn't a Pan African movement so they're not focusing on the relationship with Africa. That isn't to say those who rock the ados banner can't have pan africanist views. They can if they want but the movement is strictly American hence the first letter in the acronym

I left the thread for a while so I didn't see any tweet about the Somalian issue and fail to see how it relates to the matter at hand. Our being owed money and resources have nothing to do with the crimes committed by the US. Our issue is simply to write a wrong that impacts us to this day. Nothing more. Any international consequences and issues are not of relevance to the goals.

 

[hand2handking]

its not pan africanist bit claiming sovereignty over the term "black"

are ados the only people to suffer at the hands of the us?

should reparations be paid to the third world for all the destruction caused by the us?

 

[tay1]

its not pan africanist bit claiming sovereignty over the term "black"

are ados the only people to suffer at the hands of the us?

should reparations be paid to the third world for all the destruction caused by the us?

Who says it claims sovereignty over the word black? Part of the creation of ADOS is to uniquely identify those who have a long history in the country. Black is simply a phenotypical creation and that term to describe people can and will still be used. Probably forever.

Of course ados aren't the only people to suffer. The US has been invading, overthrowing governments and so forth.

I'm not against any other country seeking reparations from the US from the wrongs that has been committed. That's not our fight tho.

 

[lamekilla]

reparations being divisive to those who won't receive them isn't our problem.

Not just any reparations though, a cash pay out as a form of reparation would be divisive in the black community. It would be divisive amongst those who receive them as well because you’ll have an upper class sector of blacks who made their wealth without government intervention sharing access to amenities with those who did. The world, particularly the U.S. is operated off of the “Have’s and the Have Not’s”. You think over 75% of the America’s Black population becoming over night multi-millionaires is something that wouldn’t have ramifications??

 

[tay1]

Not just any reparations though, a cash pay out as a form of reparation would be divisive in the black community. It would be divisive amongst those who receive them as well because you’ll have an upper class sector of blacks who made their wealth without government intervention sharing access to amenities with those who did. The world, particularly the U.S. is operated off of the “Have’s and the Have Not’s”. You think over 75% of the America’s Black population becoming over night multi-millionaires is something that wouldn’t have ramifications??

A cash payment isn't the primary focus. Programs and policy are. Programs such as baby bonds

 

[lamekilla]

A cash payment isn't the primary focus. Programs and policy change are. Programs such as baby bonds

And I’m 101% for that but some of the other ADOS in here are diluting the message and spewing nonsensical rhetoric such as “no black agenda, no vote”. The irony of expecting the US government to care about you by threatening to do nothing to stop White America’s tyranny

 

[hand2handking]

Who says it claims sovereignty over the word black? Part of the creation of ADOS is to uniquely identify those who have a long history in the country. Black is simply a phenotypical creation and that term to describe people can and will still be used. Probably forever.

Of course ados aren't the only people to suffer. The US has been invading, overthrowing governments and so forth.

I'm not against any other country seeking reparations from the US from the wrongs that has been committed. That's not our fight tho.

i didnt mean its not descriptive of ados but when ppl say the black struggle is an ados issue in america it makes it seem like ados are the only blacks if that makes sense

what i mean by us committing atrocities is if the revenue made from slavery funded efforts in other countries is ados complicit in that if they seek recompense from the value those efforts created?

like once reparations are paid out the grievances are canceled and america starts out with the score 0-0 in essence?

 

[tay1]

And I’m 101% for that but some of the other ADOS in here are diluting the message and spewing nonsensical rhetoric such as “no black agenda, no vote”. The irony of expecting the US government to care about you by threatening to do nothing to stop White America’s tyranny

Aye man the thoughts of some don't represent the movement as a whole. Nothing can be done about that

 

[tay1]

i didnt mean its not descriptive of ados but when ppl say the black struggle is an ados issue in america it makes it seem like ados are the only blacks if that makes sense

what i mean by us committing atrocities is if the revenue made from slavery funded efforts in other countries is ados complicit in that if they seek recompense from the value those efforts created?

like once reparations are paid out the grievances are canceled and america starts out with the score 0-0 in essence?

Never. That stain will never be wiped away. And even if reparations, many of us will still feel the effect of White supremacy

Also. It's nothing more than a apology in action form. To right a wrong. Just because you apologize, it doesn't mean you're in the right now. You just apologized as far as I'm concerned.

 

[lamekilla]

Aye man the thoughts of some don't represent the movement as a whole. Nothing can be done about that

You gotta be in here more often than and keep the brothas in line trying to create the divide. They’re in here being REAL ignorant

 

[hand2handking]

i just dont see how one can align with the a in ados given the subject were talking about

like i dont see how one can rectify the a without establishing that bridge back to africa

like i get it is what it is now but it seems like rather than identify with the a it would come with the recognition that ados arent originally american by design

like in essence w ados should be calling white people immigrants and argue to send them all back to their countries of origin

like ados built it so the entire country is theirs by right not just reparation