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Its like they give half of what you want, with cheaper material, and they up the price on you....... Nike Air is just as much of a feature as the colorway itself. Why should I settle for less?
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I really like this guy, I believe he is my...Originally Posted by sickickz23
Originally Posted by 23collector1985
Hey sickkickz22,
You forgot one group of people that will be buying this pack... people like me...
34 year old collectors who have been obsessed with J's since 1985, who still have their OG IV's (beaters) and DS '99 retros, but want to have something that looks that looks extremely similar to the afore mentioned OG's and '99 retros so he can finally wear a pair guilt-free.
Extremely similar? Do you need your eyes checked? Are you seeing what everyone else is seeing? Are you sure you're 34?it's sickickz23 BTW.Well good for you. Apparently you have no shame in rocking a pair that has fake attributes on the shoes along with the quality issues. But hey, do you man. Ima do me.(hate that saying btw). I'm fine with my 99's even though they aren't DS. But totally wearable. And I might be just one person, but this person will choose not to put those CD IV's on my feet. I'd rather wear a worn pair of 99's instead of a DS CD IV's. So do you bro. Keep fighting the good fight. Like that message on the CD box says, "never compromise."
Never compromise.If you can't see the hypocrisy, then you must be a real Jordan enthusist to settle or not compromise with this pair.
And I'm younger, if you're wondering.
Originally Posted by sickickz23
Originally Posted by 23collector1985
Hey sickkickz22,
You forgot one group of people that will be buying this pack... people like me...
34 year old collectors who have been obsessed with J's since 1985, who still have their OG IV's (beaters) and DS '99 retros, but want to have something that looks that looks extremely similar to the afore mentioned OG's and '99 retros so he can finally wear a pair guilt-free.
Extremely similar? Do you need your eyes checked? Are you seeing what everyone else is seeing? Are you sure you're 34?it's sickickz23 BTW.Well good for you. Apparently you have no shame in rocking a pair that has fake attributes on the shoes along with the quality issues. But hey, do you man. Ima do me.(hate that saying btw). I'm fine with my 99's even though they aren't DS. But totally wearable. And I might be just one person, but this person will choose not to put those CD IV's on my feet. I'd rather wear a worn pair of 99's instead of a DS CD IV's. So do you bro. Keep fighting the good fight. Like that message on the CD box says, "never compromise."
Never compromise.If you can't see the hypocrisy, then you must be a real Jordan enthusist to settle or not compromise with this pair.
And I'm younger, if you're wondering.
^^Mmmm... actually you couldn't be more wrong in your analogy. Coke has changed their recipe at least twice since they originally releasedOriginally Posted by AIR J XIII
solezprogression wrote:
AirUpHere23 wrote:
I agree with you on the "stop buying" procedures which is why I'm not gonna get this package. But as an analogy, a product is a product
regardless of what type of industry it comes from. Does Coca-Cola stop using their cola recipe from generations ago because it's 2008? NO! Have they
made some alterations to their labeling and such? Absolutely! But the integrity of the product is still there. You don't hear people maaannn...Coke
tastes a helluva lot different than it did 15 years ago.The point
I'm making is that smart companies may make some alterations along the way but it shouldn't be to the extent that it starts to compromise the
integrity of what the company used to stand for which is why you have so many disappointed people with the way these shoes came out. But again...it is JB
here.
Originally Posted by sickickz23
Originally Posted by 23collector1985
Hey sickkickz22,
You forgot one group of people that will be buying this pack... people like me...
34 year old collectors who have been obsessed with J's since 1985, who still have their OG IV's (beaters) and DS '99 retros, but want to have something that looks that looks extremely similar to the afore mentioned OG's and '99 retros so he can finally wear a pair guilt-free.
Extremely similar? Do you need your eyes checked? Are you seeing what everyone else is seeing? Are you sure you're 34?it's sickickz23 BTW.Well good for you. Apparently you have no shame in rocking a pair that has fake attributes on the shoes along with the quality issues. But hey, do you man. Ima do me.(hate that saying btw). I'm fine with my 99's even though they aren't DS. But totally wearable. And I might be just one person, but this person will choose not to put those CD IV's on my feet. I'd rather wear a worn pair of 99's instead of a DS CD IV's. So do you bro. Keep fighting the good fight. Like that message on the CD box says, "never compromise."
Never compromise.If you can't see the hypocrisy, then you must be a real Jordan enthusist to settle or not compromise with this pair.
And I'm younger, if you're wondering.
Originally Posted by Tr1ll
Why do you guys want the exact same shoe as the OG?
If I paid $400 plus for some IV only to find out that they were going to be retored again I'd be pissed. If you want OG kicks get OG money and stop complaing.
Originally Posted by AIR J XIII
Originally Posted by solezprogression
^^Mmmm... actually you couldn't be more wrong in your analogy. Coke has changed their recipe at least twice since they originally released the product. And you will often hear older coke drinkers (from your parents' and grandparents' generations) talk about how it doesn't taste quite the same as when they were growing up. Look it up.Originally Posted by AirUpHere23
I agree with you on the "stop buying" procedures which is why I'm not gonna get this package. But as an analogy, a product is a product regardless of what type of industry it comes from. Does Coca-Cola stop using their cola recipe from generations ago because it's 2008? NO! Have they made some alterations to their labeling and such? Absolutely! But the integrity of the product is still there. You don't hear people maaannn...Coke tastes a helluva lot different than it did 15 years ago.The point I'm making is that smart companies may make some alterations along the way but it shouldn't be to the extent that it starts to compromise the integrity of what the company used to stand for which is why you have so many disappointed people with the way these shoes came out. But again...it is JB here.
When Coca-Cola introduced the "new coke" some time ago, it got a negative response and they went back to the old formula, which we now know as Coca-Cola Classic. Because JB has such large base of ignorant consumers who won't know the difference, and a following of sheep that respond to any release with "baahaahaaaaha," and then go line up to buy, they are getting away with their "new formula."
Dude, grow up. Put a pair of og's and these retro's in front of any person on the street and point out the differences that you see, andthen ask them if, knowing about the differences, do the two shoes look "extremely similar." I guarantee that you will get a yes out of 99% of peopleyou ask. A few minute differences does not negate the fact that the retros are extremely similar to the OG's. Hell, even most fakes look extremelysimilar to the real thing. Its only us shoe collectors who make a hobby out of knitpicking at the details.Originally Posted by sickickz23
Originally Posted by 23collector1985
Hey sickkickz22,
You forgot one group of people that will be buying this pack... people like me...
34 year old collectors who have been obsessed with J's since 1985, who still have their OG IV's (beaters) and DS '99 retros, but want to have something that looks that looks extremely similar to the afore mentioned OG's and '99 retros so he can finally wear a pair guilt-free.
Extremely similar? Do you need your eyes checked? Are you seeing what everyone else is seeing? Are you sure you're 34?it's sickickz23 BTW.Well good for you. Apparently you have no shame in rocking a pair that has fake attributes on the shoes along with the quality issues. But hey, do you man. Ima do me.(hate that saying btw). I'm fine with my 99's even though they aren't DS. But totally wearable. And I might be just one person, but this person will choose not to put those CD IV's on my feet. I'd rather wear a worn pair of 99's instead of a DS CD IV's. So do you bro. Keep fighting the good fight. Like that message on the CD box says, "never compromise."
Never compromise.If you can't see the hypocrisy, then you must be a real Jordan enthusist to settle or not compromise with this pair.
And I'm younger, if you're wondering.
Dude, grow up. Put a pair of og's and these retro's in front of any person on the street and point out the differences that you see, and then ask them if, knowing about the differences, do the two shoes look "extremely similar." I guarantee that you will get a yes out of 99% of people you ask. A few minute differences does not negate the fact that the retros are extremely similar to the OG's. Hell, even most fakes look extremely similar to the real thing. Its only us shoe collectors who make a hobby out of knitpicking at the details.
And by your standards, then that means everyone who has ever bought a pair of Jordan retros (especially in the past 4 years) has comprimised b/c none of them have ever been exactly like the OG. Therefore, I take it that since you're up on your high horse that means you only have OG's in your collection? If not, then you're a hypocrite and you need to stop judging people for wanting a shoe that is extremely similar (yes I said it) to the shoe they've always wanted, and which happens to be authentic despite your assertion that it has "fake attributes" (whatever that means).
First of all, a jumpman replacing Nike Air does not mean they're both extremely similar.I can't ask people the difference btw the two, because I won't bebuying the CD IV's for the comparison. You can do that, and tell me what the responses will be. And don't cover the heel tabs.
The whole compromise statement got you a little confused. There was no statement regarding "never compromise" on the retroes before the CD packagesexisted.
It's not compromising when there's virtually no wearable pair that looks like the original. It is however, a compromise when you SETTLE for the CDIV's, when there's plenty of wearable 99 black cement IV's out there.
(this whole "oh I'm afraid to buy 99 IV's because they might crack," is a little blown out of proportion too. I'll say it again there areplenty of wearable pairs from 99, you just have to search, and be patient. Now being afraid to buy 1989 IV's because they will crack, so I will settle forthe retro mars/militaries, is a different story however. Because that statement tends to be more factual.)
and which happens to be authentic despite your assertion that it has "fake attributes" (whatever that means).
I give up. If you don't know by now, you'll never know. You might be 27 and claimed to have been a fan of the Jordan legacy since day one,but you're still a sheep of JB. To only make matters worse, you're 27 too. I'd expect that from a 17 year old.
Why do you guys want the exact same shoe as the OG?
why not?
If I paid $400 plus for some IV only to find out that they were going to be retored again I'd be pissed.
I wouldn't, id be be glad for the opportunity to get some more pairs for retail.
The only bad thing would be that everyone and their mammy would have a pair...oh wait...nevermind... that doesn't apply to me because im a true sneakerheadand I could care less about what anyone else has.
nah i dont believe it cause the release date can come and pass and i still wont copOriginally Posted by SEND ONE
Originally Posted by Poofyo101
everyone that is saying they will pass will change there mind closer to release day
Believe that.
Originally Posted by 23collector1985
Hey sickickz23 (that better?)...
I love people like you who think YOUR OPINION is the only correct opinion.
I described MYSELF for you because you seemed to have omitted people like me in your "ever-so-wise"list of people that YOU believe will be purchasing the pack. I just wanted to let you know that there are others, like me, whom you had forgotten about. You then proceed to basically tell me my opinion was wrong and even debated my age. That's just straight up arrogant, my man.
I respect everyone's right to buy or not buy the pack and their reasons for each. I was simply stating my opinion. You cannot tell me, or even suggest, that I am wrong. You can DISAGREE with me, but you cannot suggest that I am wrong. It is MY OPINION.
Once again, I have my OG IVs and my DS '99 retros, and I want the CDP IVs to kick around in. You sure that is that OK with you??
Like another member posted, the average person on the street is not going to stop me and say, "Hey! Those are the CDP IV's... they look fake!" They are just going to see Jordans. The average person is NOT as analytical about J's as people like you. But beyond that... I don't care what other people think. I buy what I like... period. I PERSONALLY don't care that much about the shape of the shoe, the slant of the mesh or the jumpman. To me, they are not SO off that I am disgusted by the sight of them like some others are. Again, maybe that's because I have my OGs and '99 retros already, either way... you can disagree with my opinion, but just remember... your opinion is not the RIGHT opinion, it's just YOUR opinion... and I respect that.
PS: Don't ever question whether or not I am a Jordan enthusiast, you don't know me. I wore my OG IVs to play varsity ball back in '89 ... were you even born then?
Originally Posted by SHORTYtwo3
Originally Posted by 23collector1985
Hey sickickz23 (that better?)...
I love people like you who think YOUR OPINION is the only correct opinion.
I described MYSELF for you because you seemed to have omitted people like me in your "ever-so-wise"list of people that YOU believe will be purchasing the pack. I just wanted to let you know that there are others, like me, whom you had forgotten about. You then proceed to basically tell me my opinion was wrong and even debated my age. That's just straight up arrogant, my man.
I respect everyone's right to buy or not buy the pack and their reasons for each. I was simply stating my opinion. You cannot tell me, or even suggest, that I am wrong. You can DISAGREE with me, but you cannot suggest that I am wrong. It is MY OPINION.
Once again, I have my OG IVs and my DS '99 retros, and I want the CDP IVs to kick around in. You sure that is that OK with you??
Like another member posted, the average person on the street is not going to stop me and say, "Hey! Those are the CDP IV's... they look fake!" They are just going to see Jordans. The average person is NOT as analytical about J's as people like you. But beyond that... I don't care what other people think. I buy what I like... period. I PERSONALLY don't care that much about the shape of the shoe, the slant of the mesh or the jumpman. To me, they are not SO off that I am disgusted by the sight of them like some others are. Again, maybe that's because I have my OGs and '99 retros already, either way... you can disagree with my opinion, but just remember... your opinion is not the RIGHT opinion, it's just YOUR opinion... and I respect that.
PS: Don't ever question whether or not I am a Jordan enthusiast, you don't know me. I wore my OG IVs to play varsity ball back in '89 ... were you even born then?
Well said man. Being an old head too, I totally understand how you feel. To say we shouldn't buy this shoe because it's not an exact retro of the OG is ridiculous. And to call us sheep when we do is just plain hilarious. People like us buy the shoes because we have an actual history with the shoe. Not like the younger guys who buy for hype and only know this shoe as the one he wore when he made "the shot". We were the ones buying them in '89 because we loved the shoe and was a fan of the man behind the shoe. Not because it was cool to rock Jordans. I remember rushing to the mall to buy them so I can wear them while I watched the All Star gameand silly teenage stuff like that. I remember how Phil Jackson wore them during the playoffs when he was the Bulls assistant coach under Doug Collins. I doubt many if any of these young cats know that. I remember wearing them that whole summer like it was yesterday. THAT IS WHY I BUY THEM. Because of the memories. I was fortunate enough to be around then and have the OG's so I'm not going to complain that almost 20 years later I can't have the same exact shoe. So you guys go ahead and get frustrated over the differences and quality while I wear mine and reminisce about '89 when the neighbors babysitter gave me oral pleasures while I was wearing them and then we watched Tales from the Crypt on HBO.
Originally Posted by sickickz23
Dude, grow up. Put a pair of og's and these retro's in front of any person on the street and point out the differences that you see, and then ask them if, knowing about the differences, do the two shoes look "extremely similar." I guarantee that you will get a yes out of 99% of people you ask. A few minute differences does not negate the fact that the retros are extremely similar to the OG's. Hell, even most fakes look extremely similar to the real thing. Its only us shoe collectors who make a hobby out of knitpicking at the details.
And by your standards, then that means everyone who has ever bought a pair of Jordan retros (especially in the past 4 years) has comprimised b/c none of them have ever been exactly like the OG. Therefore, I take it that since you're up on your high horse that means you only have OG's in your collection? If not, then you're a hypocrite and you need to stop judging people for wanting a shoe that is extremely similar (yes I said it) to the shoe they've always wanted, and which happens to be authentic despite your assertion that it has "fake attributes" (whatever that means).
and which happens to be authentic despite your assertion that it has "fake attributes" (whatever that means).
I give up. If you don't know by now, you'll never know. You might be 27 and claimed to have been a fan of the Jordan legacy since day one, but you're still a sheep of JB. To only make matters worse, you're 27 too. I'd expect that from a 17 year old.
First of all, a jumpman replacing "Nike Air" does not mean that they are not extremely similar either. So what's your point? What I'm saying is that the shoe, taken as a whole, is extremely similar to both the '99 retro and the OG. Any lay person would agree with thatstatement. The only difference that a lay person would even notice is the replacement of "Nike Air" with a Jumpman. And like I said, even if youpoint that out, the average person would still agree that they're extremely similar (i.e., the differences are MINOR). And my point about "fakeattributes" is that it is a nonsensical term. Fakes have shoe laces too, does that mean that any shoe with laces has fake attributes? Or if I show you afake that is (even to your highly trained eye) indistinguishable froman authentic jordan, then that means that the authentic jordan has fake attributes? B/c that's basically what you're saying here.
And nobody is "settling" for the CD IV's. Maybe people want shoes that will last them longer than a pair of '99's. Maybe people havethe '99's already, but want these anyway to beat around in. And MAYBE people actually like the look of these (the shape and the jumpman) better thanthe '99's. See your problem is that you're starting with the %@#-umption that the '99's are aesthetically superior to these. That's avalid OPINION, but that doesn't make it true for everyone.
And like I said, by your own standards if you've ever bought a pair of retro's in the past 4-5 years then you too have "settled," so shutyour hypocritical mouth and quit judging people for wanting a pair of fresh kicks.