Blueprint Appreciation.

[cb94]

Originally Posted by Harlem On The Rise

Both of BIGs albums are 2 of the BEST from that time period, I remember BIG being THAT dude...

Where the !%#$ were you from 94-97??

In Indiana, so I was affected much less by east coast bias

. B.I.G. ain't never been the Alpha and Omega of rap, ever, IMO. But, it's no use trying toexplain that now is it?

 

[seymore cake]

Originally Posted by jomitm

AG on the other hand though...i just wish people can see how ill it actually is...i'll be waiting on the day people consider it as top-tier in his catalog...i just don't see how it's not.

but i digress...matter fact, we all did lol.

My Sentiments exactly... I rock with that album more than the blueprint any given day.

Haze you OC for that statement about LAD being the blueprint for rap and not Illmatic... Don't downtalk that album in order to make a point G, you'regoing too far and thats not what it is fam

 

[harlem on the rise]

Originally Posted by abeautifulhaze

How are you gonna blame BIG for the state of East Coast Hip-Hop today though?

Logically and realistically that makes no sense.

Its like blaming Jordan for the young players after him trying to emulate his crowd pleasing style at the expense of the team game. The finger pointing in BIG's case is even more unjustified because he died after his second album...an unfinished product, still maturing. If Nas got killed after IWW...would he be a sellout MC, responsible for the resurgence of fake mafioso rap, West Coast pandering and betraying the musical roots that he created on Illmatic? And Nas' change from Illmatic to It Was Written was far greater than BIG's shift from Ready To Die to Life After Death.

Its not Jordan or Biggies fault that they transcended their art form and it left an indelible impression on those that come after them. Its those artists fault for not being true to themselves and their art...which should be form a personal expression..not a platform to mimic your favorite MC.

Personally, I loved LAD. I loved the direction it took and I love good party and female songs just as much as I love good hardcore street s_. I guess thats where the difference is between us.

No "Still a Player" (heavily BIG influenced track BTW) and Puns platform and reach is shrunken significantly.

No "You're all that I need" and Method Man is not the same artist.

No "Hey Lover" and LL's experiences no rebirth.

No "Hard Knock Life" and Jay-Z might be AZ.

Aside from those being great songs....those tracks were the bait to draw listeners into "The Long Kiss Goodnight"s, the "You're Nobody"s and the "Kick in the Door"s. Not to mention those tracks are the songs that literally fed dozens of people families and will do so for decades to come. How you gonna be mad at that? Good music is good music period. Life is multifaceted and thats how I like my music personally.

LAD was presented every type of Hip-Hop on a major motion picture type stage and with that came an evolution of flow, lyricism, production and concepts, that is yet to be matched. BIG did his part and other MC were supposed to pick up the baton and keep the evolution going. Not mimic his style for the next decade. In the 4 short years that he was alive, only a handful of MCs have had an equal impact in the History of our music and if he was still alive...he would be at a whole different plane, taking Hip-Hop along with him.

I can't hold his murder against him. The man was a prodigy, whose life was cut short.

 

[DVMNXK]

Originally Posted by Seymore CAKE

jomitm wrote:

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AG on the other hand though...i just wish people can see how ill it actually is...i'll be waiting on the day people consider it as top-tier in his catalog...i just don't see how it's not.

but i digress...matter fact, we all did lol.

My Sentiments exactly... I rock with that album more than the blueprint any given day.

Haze you OC for that statement about LAD being the blueprint for rap and not Illmatic... Don't downtalk that album in order to make a point G, you're going too far and thats not what it is fam

I'll say it again...


AG > Blueprint

 

[nostrandave68]

I wouldn't go so far as to say The Blueprint > American Gangster

but i will say AG as an album flows way better than The Blueprint and i guess that's impart to do with AG following a theme.

 

[dapper d]

Yall dudes are bugging wit that American Gangster talk...
@!%@ is good...No where near Blueprint...

 

[harlem on the rise]

Originally Posted by Dapper D

Yall dudes are bugging wit that American Gangster talk...
@!%@ is good...No where near Blueprint...

 

[blade br0wn]

Originally Posted by Harlem On The Rise

Originally Posted by Dapper D

Yall dudes are bugging wit that American Gangster talk...
@!%@ is good...No where near Blueprint...

 

[yungmatt]

Originally Posted by Dapper D

Yall dudes are bugging wit that American Gangster talk...
@!%@ is good...No where near Blueprint...

Not even close

 

[cb94]

AG is dope as hell, but it's no BP. It's close. It has a similar feel and all --- shoulda been the REAL BP2 instead of that BP2 mix tape Jay released-- but it's no BP.

 

[gone in 60 seconds]

All I need & Never Change

 

[abeautifulhaze]

Originally Posted by Seymore CAKE

Originally Posted by jomitm

AG on the other hand though...i just wish people can see how ill it actually is...i'll be waiting on the day people consider it as top-tier in his catalog...i just don't see how it's not.

but i digress...matter fact, we all did lol.

My Sentiments exactly... I rock with that album more than the blueprint any given day.

Haze you OC for that statement about LAD being the blueprint for rap and not Illmatic... Don't downtalk that album in order to make a point G, you're going too far and thats not what it is fam

Nah Cake. You got me twisted on that one G...You know I got major love for Illmatic.

Thats the Holy Grail of Hip-Hop, the undisputed GOAT album and the closest thing you can get to a perfect album in any genre of music. Its so good that greatalbums like Reasonable Doubt, Ready to Die/LAD, The Infamous etc. are even really comparable.

The thing with Illmatic is....that s_ was a moment. That was some out of body s_. The best MC to pick up a mic, spit his pent up lifestory to perfection in aGolden Age of Hip-Hop. That s_ was so once in a lifetime, not even Nas himself could come close to replicating that album, much less someone else. You try tomimic that album and you gonna quit rapping. Illmatic is like Kobe's 81 or Wilt's 100...you sit back and look at it in awe, admire it and watch it overand over again...but you ain't gonna go out every game and try to emulate that performance.

LAD and it commercial success was something to imitate and you can hear it in the production, concepts and lyricism of a large percentage of albums after that.Check Jay's "In My Lifetime" series, "The Carters", Nas "I Am", The Clipse albums, Ghostface more recent albums. Those aremuch more LAD than Illmatic. Thats what i'm saying. Hypnotize, "Loving" you tonight, Notorious Thugs, Missing You, Story To Tell, Somebodys GottaDie....those tracks have been immitated to death...still till this day. Halftime, Represent, NY State of Mind....those were the norm for thattimeperiod....just not at that level that Nas came with. BIGs concepts were not completely original either but the combination of songs on those discs, thelevel of epicness of the presentation, the unique yet effortless delivery and twist that BIG put on those tracks...for some reason it struck a chorddifferently. It was more immitatable, I guess.

Jay for instance...he sampled Illmatic on Reasonable Doubt....but the music sounded nothing like Illmatic. But an Excuse Me Miss or a Still Not aPlayer....thats all BIG right there.

 

[seymore cake]

Originally Posted by abeautifulhaze

LAD and it commercial success was something to imitate and you can hear it in the production, concepts and lyricism of a large percentage of albums after that. Check Jay's "In My Lifetime" series, "The Carters", Nas "I Am", The Clipse albums, Ghostface more recent albums. Those are much more LAD than Illmatic. Thats what i'm saying. Hypnotize, "Loving" you tonight, Notorious Thugs, Missing You, Story To Tell, Somebodys Gotta Die....those tracks have been immitated to death...still till this day. Halftime, Represent, NY State of Mind....those were the norm for that timeperiod....just not at that level that Nas came with. BIGs concepts were not completely original either but the combination of songs on those discs, the level of epicness of the presentation, the unique yet effortless delivery and twist that BIG put on those tracks...for some reason it struck a chord differently. It was more immitatable, I guess.

Jay for instance...he sampled Illmatic on Reasonable Doubt....but the music sounded nothing like Illmatic. But an Excuse Me Miss or a Still Not a Player....thats all BIG right there.

Oh iight... We're on the same page now

 

[m16]

Originally Posted by abeautifulhaze

Straight up and down....if you don't think BIG has been the most influential NY MC since he dropped...you don't know Hip-Hop.

Point Blank.

The East is the equivalent of an " old pimp " because he was the last true innovator and everyone is still riding his wave. He did him and he did him damn well....its not his fault that everyone is still trying to catch up to his level and stagnating the art form in the process. How you sound?

You blaming a dead man because people are emulating his style? How is that his fault?

LAD was a HUGE evolutionary leap in Hip-Hop. Thats the real Blueprint to the modern era of Hip-Hop. Not Illmatic, Not De La, Not Muddy Waters, not none of that s_.

 

[abeautifulhaze]

^ I wish I knew who you were while my brother was still at Tech.

 

[m16]

Originally Posted by abeautifulhaze

^ I wish I knew who you were while my brother was still at Tech.

Cool, I would have had a chance to smack your jaw straight off your face. This isn't fat joe street cred part 2, you a lame.

 

[abeautifulhaze]

Originally Posted by M16

Originally Posted by abeautifulhaze

^ I wish I knew who you were while my brother was still at Tech.

Cool, I would have had a chance to smack your jaw straight off your face. This isn't fat joe street cred part 2, you a lame.

Sounds about right...

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[ThaxbyChamblis]

Originally Posted by M16

Originally Posted by abeautifulhaze

^ I wish I knew who you were while my brother was still at Tech.

Cool, I would have had a chance to smack your jaw straight off your face. This isn't fat joe street cred part 2, you a lame.

Come on fam, You got herbed by Simply. And I'm about 89% sure that SHE can put [Maino]The hands of god [/Maino] on you.

 

[m16]

We gonna go through this story again ?

 

[abeautifulhaze]

Originally Posted by M16

We gonna go through this story again ?

Nobody asked for no story.

You got it G.

I wouldn't want to get mowed down by your M16, while you black out to conscious rap.

 

[seymore cake]

@ _'s always trying my guy Haze's G...


They think you sweet fam

 

[m16]

Corny.

 

[illphillip]

%%%! got WILD in here!

 

[true 3 blue]

I knew this thread was going in the wrong direction when I saw the amount of pgs for a Jay-z album appreciation.

And Haze is right in the middle of it

All I know is (even though yall are probably waaaaaay off topic right now), this album is 4.5/5. Jigga That * takes away from this album. An all around badsong.

 

[m16]

Originally Posted by true 3 blue

I knew this thread was going in the wrong direction when I saw the amount of pgs for a Jay-z album appreciation.

And Haze is right in the middle of it

All I know is (even though yall are probably waaaaaay off topic right now), this album is 4.5/5. Jigga That * takes away from this album. An all around bad song.

It's NT..
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