Blueprint Appreciation.

[illphillip]

You too close mon!

 

[illscan]

That's cute, but you not answering the question duke.
It's the BEST album 93-97 era?

 

[n3ff 3000]

Listen duke, you know how many great albums dropped in that time period? THERE IS NO CERTIFIED BEST ALBUM OF A 4 YEAR TIME SPAN. You trying to say he cant bethe goat (which he isn't) just because he didnt drop THE best album of 93-97? ++$* sounds ******ed.

 

[harlem on the rise]

Both of BIGs albums are 2 of the BEST from that time period, I remember BIG being THAT dude...

Where the !%#$ were you from 94-97??

 

[liquidcream]

Originally Posted by Harlem On The Rise

Both of BIGs albums are 2 of the BEST from that time period, I remember BIG being THAT dude...

Where the !%#$ were you from 94-97??

 

[mfdoom]

My favorite Jay album.

 

[illscan]

Where the !%#$ were you from 94-97??
You been around here long enough to know the deal. Don't do that NAY.
First, I had no idea Big stans were as blindly faithful as those who worship at the shrine of Pac. That's a shame. I thought the East had students of thisthing.
Second, being "that dude" means nothing as far as musical output. Yet, Big fans keep clinging to this notion.
And for the record, there are plenty of people who see LAD as Big's lame crossover attempt & a catalyst for the mind frame that prevailed afterword(yes, there are good tracks on this album, but it also has a gang of that BS that furthered the downturn). He made it acceptable to be straight pop.
Big was never my messiah.................. If he's yours, cool.
Flame on ladies.

 

[harlem on the rise]

Originally Posted by iLLscan

Where the !%#$ were you from 94-97??

You been around here long enough to know the deal. Don't do that NAY.
First, I had no idea Big stans were as blindly faithful as those who worship at the shrine of Pac. That's a shame. I thought the East had students of this thing.
Second, being "that dude" means nothing as far as musical output. Yet, Big fans keep clinging to this notion.
And for the record, there are plenty of people who see LAD as Big's lame crossover attempt & a catalyst for the mind frame that prevailed afterword (yes, there are good tracks on this album, but it also has a gang of that BS that furthered the downturn). He made it acceptable to be straight pop.
Big was never my messiah.................. If he's yours, cool.
Flame on ladies.

So why would a guy who wasn't the best have THAT much influence on a whole coast?? Help me understand this logic...

You can't be serious...

Welcome back by the way...

 

[purpheartgrapes]

Originally Posted by iLLscan

Where the !%#$ were you from 94-97??

You been around here long enough to know the deal. Don't do that NAY.
First, I had no idea Big stans were as blindly faithful as those who worship at the shrine of Pac. That's a shame. I thought the East had students of this thing.
Second, being "that dude" means nothing as far as musical output. Yet, Big fans keep clinging to this notion.
And for the record, there are plenty of people who see LAD as Big's lame crossover attempt & a catalyst for the mind frame that prevailed afterword (yes, there are good tracks on this album, but it also has a gang of that BS that furthered the downturn). He made it acceptable to be straight pop.
Big was never my messiah.................. If he's yours, cool.
Flame on ladies.



I have no desire to participate in this argument but I can't let that blatant jab at the West go unnoticed. Students of hip hop? I presume that's whatyou're talking about. Dudes worshipping Pac's shrine? @@+ NY/East is home to some of the most loyal legions of *%+* suckers on the net. %%$% outa here,the stan was born and raised in NY, acting like Pac fans/West coast heads are are the forefront of the nut hugging lineage. FOH.

 

[eye see soles]

Classic is a subjective term.

 

[illscan]

So why would a guy who wasn't the best have THAT much influence on a whole coast?? Help me understand this logic...
There is no doubt he had influence................... But was it a good influence? Big's "be all things to all people" blueprint ispart of why NY & the East is in last place & still talking about the good 'ol days when we were the I SH.
The East is the old man on the corner drinking Miller High Life & telling all the young bucks about how "he used to do it different". No onegives a I SH. Especially in the crabs in a bucket Hip Hop game.
It worked for Big, but not so much for everyone else from Philly to Mt. Vernon (except for Jay, of course). And these big dummies are still trying to followthat BS format (see Jada).
Big was Big, he was cool & all that, but not the example for NY to follow.
He defined the era because he was the easiest to define, you understand? Lowest common denominator with great lyrical skills.

 

[djryan614]

Originally Posted by M16

I'ma just stop entering Jay-Z threads in general, I'll admit, I hate dude with a passion. Makes me disgusted to be from BK.

You can go back to discussing how great the Blueprint is now..

**Jay**You don't even know me and you mad, how it feel to be a hater?**Jay**

 

[m16]

at BIG "defining NY hip hop"

F outta here with that nonsense. Classic new jack talk right there. Dudes have no comprehension of NY music and just revert to the names they hear most.

Hewasn't even the best from his OWN BOROUGH at this time period.

 

[abeautifulhaze]

Wooow...now BIG's musical influence has been more negative than positive to the art form.

WOW.

I've heard it all.

 

[illscan]

Wooow...now BIG's musical influence has been more negative than positive to the art form.

WOW.

I've heard it all.
You heard it all then, I guess.
I can't believe NY dudes would be so flippant about his. Is the "BIG" blueprint not one of the reasons why the East is the equivalent of an agingpimp? Talking wild I SH, but not really doing anything. That half street/ half pop for the radio I SH is see through & the fans don't emotionallyconnect to it (check any FAB album).
You have to hold your heroes to a higher standard. Letting him slide is a travesty & a testament as to why most emcees in the original 13 colonies arestuck on straight mixtape status.
But hey, yall seem good with that movement.

 

[abeautifulhaze]

Straight up and down....if you don't think BIG has been the most influential NY MC since he dropped...you don't know Hip-Hop.

Point Blank.

The East is the equivalent of an " old pimp " because he was the last true innovator and everyone is still riding his wave. He did him and he did himdamn well....its not his fault that everyone is still trying to catch up to his level and stagnating the art form in the process. How you sound?

You blaming a dead man because people are emulating his style? How is that his fault?

LAD was a HUGE evolutionary leap in Hip-Hop. Thats the real Blueprint to the modern era of Hip-Hop. Not Illmatic, Not De La, Not Muddy Waters, not none of thats_.

 

[abeautifulhaze]

This dude is blaming Fab making mediocre albums on Biggie Smalls

....do y'all "real hip-hop heads" think about the s_ y'alltype before y'all type it?

 

[bigmo1002]

Originally Posted by eye see soles

Classic is a subjective term.

 

[illscan]

Straight up and down....if you don't think BIG has been the most influential NY MC since he dropped...you don't know Hip-Hop.

Point Blank.

The East is the equivalent of an " old pimp " because he was the last true innovator and everyone is still riding his wave. He did him and he did him damn well....its not his fault that everyone is still trying to catch up to his level and stagnating the art form in the process. How you sound?

You blaming a dead man because people are emulating his style? How is that his fault?

LAD was a HUGE evolutionary leap in Hip-Hop. Thats the real Blueprint to the modern era of Hip-Hop. Not Illmatic, Not De La, Not Muddy Waters, not none of that s_.

You should reread my posts, reread your posts & then get at me.
I never said he was not influential. But what's good with that influence? How's his influence working out for us in the East in 2009? I mean, wedominating the game, no? From West Phil 2 Yonkers dudes got this thing on smash.
It's his fault because he made it acceptable to get on that BS. Puff made Big his puppet & further corrupted the game.
And LAD being the "evolution in hip hop" is the problem.For real, that album is the epitome of trying to pander to the radio & the"streets". That has worked out well for us, right?

 

[illscan]

do y'all "real hip-hop heads" think about the s_ y'all type before y'all type it?

Don't try & pull the "backpack" card on me. I guarantee we like most of the same albums from '87 to '02.
That's a particular move I'm calling you out on. Stop that.
We can disagree all day, but don't try & discredit me on some real weak I SH. What are you doing?
*shakes my head, sucks my teeth*

 

[abeautifulhaze]

How are you gonna blame BIG for the state of East Coast Hip-Hop today though?

Logically and realistically that makes no sense.

Its like blaming Jordan for the young players after him trying to emulate his crowd pleasing style at the expense of the team game. The finger pointing inBIG's case is even more unjustified because he died after hissecond album...an unfinished product, still maturing. If Nasgot killed after IWW...would he be a sellout MC, responsible for the resurgence of fake mafioso rap, West Coast pandering and betraying the musical roots thathe created on Illmatic? And Nas' change from Illmatic to It Was Written was far greater than BIG's shift from Ready To Die to Life AfterDeath.

Its not Jordan or Biggies fault that they transcended their art form and it left an indelible impression on those that come after them. Its those artists faultfor not being true to themselves and their art...which should be form a personal expression..not a platform to mimic your favorite MC.

Personally, I loved LAD. I loved the direction it took and I love good party and female songs just as much as I love good hardcore street s_. I guess thatswhere the difference is between us.

No "Still a Player" (heavily BIG influenced track BTW) and Puns platform and reach is shrunken significantly.

No "You're all that I need" and Method Man is not the same artist.

No "Hey Lover" and LL's experiences no rebirth.

No "Hard Knock Life" and Jay-Z might be AZ.

Aside from those being great songs....those tracks were the bait to draw listeners into "The Long Kiss Goodnight"s, the "You'reNobody"s and the "Kick in the Door"s. Not to mention those tracks are the songs that literally fed dozens of people families and will do so fordecades to come. How you gonna be mad at that? Good music is good music period. Life is multifaceted and thats how I like my music personally.

LAD was presented every type of Hip-Hop on a major motion picture type stage and with that came an evolution of flow, lyricism, production and concepts, thatis yet to be matched. BIG did his part and other MC were supposed to pick up the baton and keep the evolution going. Not mimic his style for the next decade.In the 4 short years that he was alive, only a handful of MCs have had an equal impact in the History of our music and if he was still alive...he would be at awhole different plane, taking Hip-Hop along with him.

I can't hold his murder against him. The man was a prodigy, whose life was cut short.

 

[DVMNXK]

LAD was a HUGE evolutionary leap in Hip-Hop. Thats the real Blueprint to the modern era of Hip-Hop.


A lot of truth in that statement.

 

[illscan]

A lot of truth in that statement.

you say that like it's a good thing..........

 

[jomitm]

i swear some of y'all just don't know how to ENJOY music. like every damn thing to come out has to be like Shook Ones or something, and if it ain'tit has to automatically be wack / soft / gay what have you. life is more than that..

i'm not gonna lie, my first reaction to reading iLLscan's claims were on some "get the !+%+ outta here" steez.

but i guess he does have a point with regards to how it affected rappers' status a generation after...

BUT

Its not Jordan or Biggies fault that they transcended their art form and it left an indelible impression on those that come after them. Its those artists fault for not being true to themselves and their art...which should be form a personal expression..not a platform to mimic your favorite MC.
abh pretty much summed it up.

you can't blame the idol for being who he was and creating an impression and influence as big as they had.

i mean, who wouldn't want to be an influnece, an inspiration, because of your innovation that no one else had done before you?

but on the real, i see where you're coming from and i can respect it, but it's just not logical to blame BIG.

he ain't force no one to follow his style. he was just that guy that most of these rappers now are compelled to imitate, because of his success andappealing sound.

.....................

as for the Blueprint...i got the same sentiments that it doesn't do it for me on that level, but i can never knock its influence and that at the end of theday, it's still a great body of work.

AG on the other hand though...i just wish people can see how ill it actually is...i'll be waiting on the day people consider it as top-tier in hiscatalog...i just don't see how it's not.

but i digress...matter fact, we all did lol.

 

[DVMNXK]

Originally Posted by iLLscan

A lot of truth in that statement.

you say that like it's a good thing..........



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