Economist predict the end of Capitalism and the Fall of America...

4,404
11
Joined
Sep 30, 2008
Death of 'Soul of Capitalism:' Bogle, Faber, Moore 20reasons America has lost its soul and collapse is inevitable

By Paul B. Farrell, MarketWatch

ARROYO GRANDE, Calif. (MarketWatch) -- Jack Bogle published "The Battle for the Soul of Capitalism" four years ago. The battle's over. The sequel should be titled: "Capitalism Died a Lost Soul." Worse, we've lost "America's Soul." And worldwide the consequences will be catastrophic.

That's why a man like Hong Kong's contrarian economist Marc Faber warns in his Doom, Boom & Gloom Report: "The future will be a total disaster, with a collapse of our capitalistic system as we know it today."

No, not just another meltdown, another bear market recession like the one recently triggered by Wall Street's "too-greedy-to-fail" banks. Faber is warning that the entire system of capitalism will collapse. Get it? The engine driving the great "American Economic Empire" for 233 years will collapse, a total disaster, a destiny we created.

OK, deny it. But I'll bet you have a nagging feeling maybe he's right, the end may be near. I have for a long time: I wrote a column back in 1997: "Battling for the Soul of Wall Street." My interest in "The Soul" -- what Jung called the "collective unconscious" -- dates back to my Ph.D. dissertation: "Modern Man in Search of His Soul," a title borrowed from Jung's 1933 book, "Modern Man in Search of a Soul." This battle has been on my mind since my days at Morgan Stanley 30 years ago, witnessing the decline.

Has capitalism lost its soul? Guys like Bogle and Faber sense it. Read more about the soul in physicist Gary Zukav's "The Seat of the Soul," Thomas Moore's "Care of the Soul" and sacred texts.

But for Wall Street and American capitalism, use your gut. You know something's very wrong: A year ago "too-greedy-to-fail" banks were insolvent, in a near-death experience. Now, magically they're back to business as usual, arrogant, pocketing outrageous bonuses while Main Street sacrifices, and unemployment and foreclosures continue rising as tight credit, inflation and skyrocketing Federal debt are killing taxpayers.

Yes, Wall Street has lost its moral compass. They created the mess, now, like vultures, they're capitalizing on the carcass. They have lost all sense of fiduciary duty, ethical responsibility and public obligation.

Here are the Top 20 reasons American capitalism has lost its soul:
[h3]1. Collapse is now inevitable[/h3]
Capitalism has been the engine driving America and the global economies for over two centuries. Faber predicts its collapse will trigger global "wars, massive government-debt defaults, and the impoverishment of large segments of Western society." Faber knows that capitalism is not working, capitalism has peaked, and the collapse of capitalism is "inevitable."

When? He hesitates: "But what I don't know is whether this final collapse, which is inevitable, will occur tomorrow, or in five or 10 years, and whether it will occur with the Dow at 100,000 and gold at $50,000 per ounce or even confiscated, or with the Dow at 3,000 and gold at $1,000." But the end is inevitable, a historical imperative.
[h3]2. Nobody's planning for a 'Black Swan'[/h3]
While the timing may be uncertain, the trigger is certain. Societies collapse because they fail to plan ahead, cannot act fast enough when a catastrophic crisis hits. Think "Black Swan" and read evolutionary biologist Jared Diamond's "Collapse: How Societies Choose to Fail or Succeed."

A crisis hits. We act surprised. Shouldn't. But it's too late: "Civilizations share a sharp curve of decline. Indeed, a society's demise may begin only a decade or two after it reaches its peak population, wealth and power."

Warnings are everywhere. Why not prepare? Why sabotage our power, our future? Why set up an entire nation to fail? Diamond says: Unfortunately "one of the choices has depended on the courage to practice long-term thinking, and to make bold, courageous, anticipatory decisions at a time when problems have become perceptible but before they reach crisis proportions."

Sound familiar? "This type of decision-making is the opposite of the short-term reactive decision-making that too often characterizes our elected politicians," thus setting up the "inevitable" collapse. Remember, Greenspan, Bernanke, Bush, Paulson all missed the 2007-8 meltdown: It will happen again, in a bigger crisis.
[h3]3. Wall Street sacked Washington[/h3]
Bogle warned of a growing three-part threat -- a "happy conspiracy" -- in "The Battle for the Soul of Capitalism:" "The business and ethical standards of corporate America, of investment America, and of mutual fund America have been gravely compromised."

But since his book, "Wall Street America" went over to the dark side, got mega-greedy and took control of "Washington America." Their spoils of war included bailouts, bankruptcies, stimulus, nationalizations and $23.7 trillion new debt off-loaded to the Treasury, Fed and American people.

Who's in power? Irrelevant. The "happy conspiracy" controls both parties, writes the laws to suit its needs, with absolute control of America's fiscal and monetary policies. Sorry Jack, but the "Battle for the Soul of Capitalism" really was lost.
[h3]4. When greed was legalized[/h3]
Go see Michael Moore's documentary, "Capitalism: A Love Story." "Disaster Capitalism" author Naomi Klein recently interviewed Moore in The Nation magazine: "Capitalism is the legalization of this greed. Greed has been with human beings forever. We have a number of things in our species that you would call the dark side, and greed is one of them. If you don't put certain structures in place or restrictions on those parts of our being that come from that dark place, then it gets out of control."

Greed's OK, within limits, like the 10 Commandments. Yes, the soul can thrive around greed, if there are structures and restrictions to keep it from going out of control. But Moore warns: "Capitalism does the opposite of that. It not only doesn't really put any structure or restrictions on it. It encourages it, it rewards" greed, creating bigger, more frequent bubble/bust cycles.

It happens because capitalism is now in "the hands of people whose only concern is their fiduciary responsibility to their shareholders or to their own pockets." Yes, greed was legalized in America, with Wall Street running Washington.
[h3]5. Triggering the end of our 'life cycle'[/h3]
Like Diamond, Faber also sees the historical imperative: "Every successful society" grows "out of some kind of challenge." Today, the "life cycle" of capitalism is on the decline.

He asks himself: "How are you so sure about this final collapse?" The answer: "Of all the questions I have about the future, this is the easiest one to answer. Once a society becomes successful it becomes arrogant, righteous, overconfident, corrupt, and decadent ... overspends ... costly wars ... wealth inequity and social tensions increase; and society enters a secular decline." Success makes us our own worst enemy.

Quoting 18th century Scottish historian Alexander Fraser Tytler: "The average life span of the world's greatest civilizations has been 200 years" progressing from "bondage to spiritual faith ... to great courage ... to liberty ... to abundance ... to selfishness ... to complacency ... to apathy ... to dependence and ... back into bondage!"

Where is America in the cycle? "It is most unlikely that Western societies, and especially the U.S., will be an exception to this typical 'society cycle.' ... The U.S. is somewhere between the phase where it moves 'from complacency to apathy' and 'from apathy to dependence.'"

In short, America is a grumpy old man with hardening of the arteries. Our capitalism is near the tipping point, unprepared for a catastrophe, set up for collapse and rapid decline.
[h3]15 more clues capitalism lost its soul ... is a disaster waiting to happen[/h3]
Much more evidence litters the battlefield:

  1. Wall Street wealth now calls the shots in Congress, the White House

  2. America's top 1% own more than 90% of America's wealth

  3. The average worker's income has declined in three decades while CEO compensation exploded over ten times

  4. The Fed is now the 'fourth branch of government' operating autonomously, secretly printing money at will

  5. Since Goldman and Morgan became bank holding companies, all banks are back gambling with taxpayer bailout money plus retail customer deposits

  6. Bill Gross warns of a "new normal" with slow growth, low earnings and stock prices

  7. While the White House's chief economist retorts with hype of a recovery unimpeded by the "new normal"

  8. Wall Street's high-frequency junkies make billions trading zombie stocks like AIG, FNMA, FMAC that have no fundamental value beyond a Treasury guarantee

  9. 401(k)s have lost 26.7% of their value in the past decade

  10. Oil and energy costs will skyrocket

  11. Foreign nations and sovereign funds have started dumping dollars, signaling the end of the dollar as the world's reserve currency

  12. In two years federal debt exploded from $11.2 to $23.7 trillion

  13. New financial reforms will do little to prevent the next meltdown

  14. The "forever war" between Western and Islamic fundamentalists will widen

  15. As will environmental threats and unfunded entitlements
"America Capitalism" is a "Lost Soul" ... we've lost our moral compass ... the coming collapse is the end of an "inevitable" historical cycle stalking all great empires to their graves. Downsize your lifestyle expectations, trust no one, not even media.

Faber is uncertain about timing, we are not. There is a high probability of a crisis and collapse by 2012. The "Great Depression 2" is dead ahead. Unfortunately, there's absolutely nothing you can do to hide from this unfolding reality or prevent the rush of the historical imperative.


Cliffnotes: Its a wrap for this Republic and its modern application of Capitalism.

I've been making these same points for some time now...
 
Capitalism in one sense will die, but it will be re-birthed as something else and called capitalism to the next generation.

True capitalism has been dead, for a long time.
 
if u believe in Christ, then u already know America (the new babylon) is the 1st place that will be destroyed upon His return.
 
Originally Posted by HueyP in LouieV

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/americas-soul-is-lost-and-collapse-is-inevitable-2009-10-20
[h3]15 more clues capitalism lost its soul ... is a disaster waiting to happen[/h3]
Much more evidence litters the battlefield:

  1. Wall Street wealth now calls the shots in Congress, the White House

  2. America's top 1% own more than 90% of America's wealth

  3. The average worker's income has declined in three decades while CEO compensation exploded over ten times

  4. The Fed is now the 'fourth branch of government' operating autonomously, secretly printing money at will

  5. Since Goldman and Morgan became bank holding companies, all banks are back gambling with taxpayer bailout money plus retail customer deposits

  6. Bill Gross warns of a "new normal" with slow growth, low earnings and stock prices

  7. While the White House's chief economist retorts with hype of a recovery unimpeded by the "new normal"

  8. Wall Street's high-frequency junkies make billions trading zombie stocks like AIG, FNMA, FMAC that have no fundamental value beyond a Treasury guarantee

  9. 401(k)s have lost 26.7% of their value in the past decade

  10. Oil and energy costs will skyrocket

  11. Foreign nations and sovereign funds have started dumping dollars, signaling the end of the dollar as the world's reserve currency

  12. In two years federal debt exploded from $11.2 to $23.7 trillion

  13. New financial reforms will do little to prevent the next meltdown

  14. The "forever war" between Western and Islamic fundamentalists will widen

  15. As will environmental threats and unfunded entitlements

ohwell.gif


Damn, what the hell happened?
 
lol another doomsday prediction.

pointing out all of whats wrong without ever giving any solution.

it simply states "Downsize your lifestyle expectations, trust no one, not even media." umm ok why should i trust you
 
Obama will fix this
smokin.gif


Oh, my bad....he actually takes money from these horrible Wall Street execs when fundraising........

Obama will SAY he'll fix this and win a prize for fixing it before he does.
smokin.gif
 
Originally Posted by CharmCityKid

if u believe in Christ, then u already know America (the new babylon) is the 1st place that will be destroyed upon His return.

Destroyed in a Armageddon sense or a "the US will crumbled due to its crappy way" destroyed?
 
Originally Posted by HOVKid

Obama will fix this
smokin.gif


Oh, my bad....he actually takes money from these horrible Wall Street execs when fundraising........

Obama will SAY he'll fix this and win a prize for fixing it before he does.
smokin.gif
roll.gif
roll.gif
roll.gif
roll.gif


oreilly_u_mad1243621879.jpg
 
newsflash: capitalism died a long time ago in America. doesn't take an "economist" to figure that much out, although I did major in it
laugh.gif
 
Originally Posted by JCH3

HueyP in LouieV wrote:

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/americas-soul-is-lost-and-collapse-is-inevitable-2009-10-20

[h3]15 more clues capitalism lost its soul ... is a disaster waiting to happen[/h3]


Much more evidence litters the battlefield:




  1. Wall Street wealth now calls the shots in Congress, the White House




  2. America's top 1% own more than 90% of America's wealth




  3. The average worker's income has declined in three decades while CEO compensation exploded over ten times




  4. The Fed is now the 'fourth branch of government' operating autonomously, secretly printing money at will




  5. Since Goldman and Morgan became bank holding companies, all banks are back gambling with taxpayer bailout money plus retail customer deposits




  6. Bill Gross warns of a "new normal" with slow growth, low earnings and stock prices




  7. While the White House's chief economist retorts with hype of a recovery unimpeded by the "new normal"




  8. Wall Street's high-frequency junkies make billions trading zombie stocks like AIG, FNMA, FMAC that have no fundamental value beyond a Treasury
    guarantee




  9. 401(k)s have lost 26.7% of their value in the past decade




  10. Oil and energy costs will skyrocket




  11. Foreign nations and sovereign funds have started dumping dollars, signaling the end of the dollar as the world's reserve currency




  12. In two years federal debt exploded from $11.2 to $23.7 trillion




  13. New financial reforms will do little to prevent the next meltdown




  14. The "forever war" between Western and Islamic fundamentalists will widen




  15. As will environmental threats and unfunded entitlements



ohwell.gif





Damn, what the hell happened?








nothing "happened" it was actually designed to be this way, contrary to popular belief
 
Good read, however the government deserve most/if not all of the blame as they no longer represent the people.
 
Originally Posted by Craftsy21

newsflash: capitalism died a long time ago in America. doesn't take an "economist" to figure that much out, although I did major in it
laugh.gif
So did I.


Capitalism's last moments of hope...



[font=Times New Roman,Times]Presidential Executive Order 11,110[/font]
 
Originally Posted by HOVKid

Obama will fix this
smokin.gif


Oh, my bad....he actually takes money from these horrible Wall Street execs when fundraising........

Obama will SAY he'll fix this and win a prize for fixing it before he does.
smokin.gif


Brilliant post. As like anything balance is needed. Capitalism has a role in all economic systems it's just the supporting guidelines which made it bad.The problem is we have idiots on both sides of the argument like the aforementioned poster who shape policy..
 
I am all for Capitalism to end.

No more Niketalk/video games/movies/internet/Jordans/NBA/NFL/MLB/BCS standings/Porn, etc... I hope at that point we'll have nuclear wars and a good 80-90%of the world's population will die. Strongest will survive and I have been stocking up on guns/ammo/rations for a reason!!!!
 
I never been into much of this but I always thought it was obvious that this country was never complete in Capitalism. I always felt this country used a lot ofideals to keep the ball moving for so long.


No "Empire" last forever everyday we move closer to a power shift. I think the end of this country will be totally self inflicted...as it is startingto be seen now. If there is anybody to blame its many due to the many years of mismanagement.
 
hmm ... I lost my whole post .... Either way The Life Cycle of World's Greatest Nations is something that has been on my mind for some time .. and now alot of singularities are starting to fall into place and stack like dominoes ......... ready to fall ... The blueprints and structure of history always seem torepeat itself without fail .. and a lot of times I wonder why
 
Originally Posted by CharmCityKid

if u believe in Christ, then u already know America (the new babylon) is the 1st place that will be destroyed upon His return.

roll.gif
 
401(k)s have lost 26.7% of their value in the past decade


Been thinking about not contributing to my 401k anymore and just taking whatever post-tax $ and putting it elsewhere. Any suggestions, tips, etc.?
 
A lot of those "clues capitalism lost its soul", are biproducts of capitalism anyway. We're right on track
 
Back
Top Bottom