For reasons not related to boxing, why is Mike Tyson loved and Mayweather hated?

[ace rawstein]

Think its pretty simple... Tyson was the better entertainer.

Its easier to like someone and look pass their transgressions if they are fulfilling a need you have. Tyson entertained us and his outside life interested us.

Floyd is great in his own right, but to the casual fan, the media, pop culture... he isnt entertaining enough so therefore its really no true connection.

When it comes to "Money" aspect, you can only entertain or interest ppl for so long with your spending habits.. after awhile that rubs off and no one cares.

 

[TURBO UNO]

I find it incredible how the domestic violence issue suddenly became a hot topic again. It happened 5 years ago.

Man, my favorite baller of all time is Allen Iverson ....they STILL bug him on the alleged DV and practice rant that was 13 years ago!

 

[DCAllAfrican]

Why have people forgiven Kobe?

Time. Time heals. After a while, folks won't give a damn about Floyd. Once he is no longer the best, retirement, he won't have to remind everyone how great he is. So he won't be in a position to piss folks off as often.

 

[mr marcus]

 

I find it incredible how the domestic violence issue suddenly became a hot topic again. It happened 5 years ago.

I doubt very seriously if the Steelers go to the Super Bowl in February...that you'll see the media pile up on Big Ben about rape.

The Big Ben rape issue was swept under the rug as soon as it happened.

I ain't never seen multiple rape allegations go so quietly.

boy you aint lying

I don't see Beadle lame *** calling him out 

 

[shotsrangout]

because hes a cocky black man who refuses to take L's and white america hates that. Simple as hell.

 

[sugafree]

 
because hes a cocky black man who refuses to take L's and white america hates that. Simple as hell.

/END THREAD

 

[airjordanjack]

because hes a cocky black man who refuses to take L's and white america hates that. Simple as hell.

Definitely a lot of truth to that.

I feel like if a white guy acted like this he would get a lot of hate too though. The domestic abuse might have been less of an issue in the media but throwing money at cameras and walking out to the ring with Justin Bieber is going to rub a lot of people the wrong way, no matter what race.

As for Tyson, he's trying to put out a totally different image now. His past may be unforgivable but people like what he's doing now. Mayweather is still arrogant and cocky.

 

[sugafree]

Definitely a lot of truth to that.

I feel like if a white guy acted like this he would get a lot of hate too though. The domestic abuse might have been less of an issue in the media but throwing money at cameras and walking out to the ring with Justin Bieber is going to rub a lot of people the wrong way, no matter what race.

White America hates Justin Bieber more than Mayweather

 

[Case]

White America hates Justin Bieber more than Mayweather

I'd let Mayweather be the best man at my 3rd wedding before I'd let Bieber shake my hand..

 

[tay1]

I mean Floyd just seems like a ****. I think it's as simple as that.

 

[nomadicsole21]

Another point I want to make is that race isn't as big as y'all make it sound. There are popular black athletes in every sport that America loves. Its mainly his character and how he holds himself.

Cocky, arrogant, racist and flaunting his riches. You give those characteristics to an athlete of any race and he won't be as loved. Its not just because he's black.

 

[tay1]

Another point I want to make is that race isn't as big as y'all make it sound. There are popular black athletes in every sport that America loves. Its mainly his character and how he holds himself.

Cocky, arrogant, racist and flaunting his riches. You give those characteristics to an athlete of any race and he won't be as loved. Its not just because he's black.

You'd be crazy if you don't think race doesn't play somewhat of a factor. Look at how the usage of the n word spiked on twitter when he won, and just all the hateful comments in general.

 

[sugafree]

Another point I want to make is that race isn't as big as y'all make it sound. There are popular black athletes in every sport that America loves. Its mainly his character and how he holds himself.

Cocky, arrogant, racist and flaunting his riches. You give those characteristics to an athlete of any race and he won't be as loved. Its not just because he's black.

True, but I actually respect Mayweather for just not giving a damn and doing him anyway.

 

[Kimchi Papi]

There are a lot of layers when comparing these two fighters & the different hate levels. First & foremost, I think the fighting styles have a big hand in the the perception Money is hated more. Money's style is more evasive. He's not going to stand in the middle of the ring & go toe to toe with someone. He's gotten his knock outs when a fool slips up or gets tired. A lot of fighters have come ill prepared or didn't train hard enough to beat money.

Tyson knocked fools out within a minutes time. He knocked out a lot of fools & was considered one of the most feared fighters ever. People respect that much more. That knock out ability is universally respected even by people that casually watch the sport. Only people that watch box regularly and/or know about the sport can appreciate what Money does.

I don't think it's accurate to say Mike Tyson is less hated because for a long time from the alleged rape issue through a couple of years after the biting issue(s), Tyson was hated. The presser below was the culmination of America, specifically white America hating Mike. I can't think of any fighter that white people hated more at the time.

I would see white people get really angry when discussing if Iron Mike was one of the greatest. I guess some of the younger dudes in here are too young to remember just how hard people (white people specifically) hated Iron Mike.






I understand why people hate Money though... He hasn't been beaten, he talks a lot of ish (which he backs up), & has stacks & stacks of cash... Having said that though, I don't think Money's hate levels reached the highest that Tyson's were.

Edit - Have to rewrite the sentence/thought above... I understand why people hate Money though. He's a black man that hasn't been beaten, he talks a lot of ish in which he has backed up, & has piles upon piles of money.

Also, I think Obama's election had a polarizing effect on America as it brought out the closet racist feelings & made them a little bit more out in the open. Money kinda got uber successful during this era which also coincided with the sky rocketing of social media (especially Twitter) where people got a chance to voice their hate which got heard easier.

Having said that though, I don't think Money's hate levels reached the highest that Tyson's reached.

People like Tyson more now in large part because he "fell back down to earth", losing all that money, etc. He comes across as a sympathetic persona. He had that hilarious scene in The Hangover, the Broadway one man show, etc. He's had these vehicles that's helped America love him again.

I could discuss more, but that's the gist of it IMO.

... I remember back in the day going to boxing PPVs on closed circuit at the "Pittsburgh Civic Arena" & the "Baltimore Civic Center" in the 80s to see the big fights. Tyson fights were an event back then man... Me, my older cousins, Uncle, & my father... We must've seen every fight back then like that. Then we say the fights on PPV with the cable boxes that had the remote connected to the cable box with a big ole dial to change channels... The good ole days...

 

[gamerg]

floyd is a women beater, 5 separate women/cases

i think that in itself pretty much explains why he's hated, remember when chris brown beat rihanna? people buying and then burning his cds and protesting outside the record company who distribute his stuff, and even to this day he is hated by the general public


i dont think it has to do with him being black, women beating is universally looked at as a heinous crime, and especially if youre a pro boxer

Same as NASCAR drivers non black athletes and women atlehes but no outrage with them

 

[gamerg]

The Big Ben rape issue was swept under the rug as soon as it happened.

I ain't never seen multiple rape allegations go so quietly.

mainly because big ben aint big and black.

 

[gamerg]

 
White America hates Justin Bieber more than Mayweather

but Beibe can change his image and get white acceptance again.. hey word.. white

 

[doublemesh96]

finished undefeated with no brain damage called his own shots and came away with all the bread. youre not supposed to do that. youre supposed to give your life to the sport and end up broke and struggling to pay your medical bills or die of a drug overdose or go to jail.

 

[blakep267]

The thing is, I think it's a bit of a cop out to say it's only because he's black. Don't get me wrong a lot of people don't like that he's black rich and cocky. No disputing that. But also he's an ******* and a woman beater

 

[gamerg]

 
finished undefeated with no brain damage called his own shots and came away with all the bread. youre not supposed to do that. youre supposed to give your life to the sport and end up broke and struggling to pay your medical bills or die of a drug overdose or go to jail.

This.. he's going to be wealthy healthy and can build a brand just off of his name.. something they never thought he could do.. 750K to Be Worth over 400M was wise

 

[bravo]

White folks hate to see a black person better off then them.  Especially when the brother is self made, outspoken and doesn't follow a white leader*. 

 

[chewie]

Mayweather is one of the greatest boxers to ever live. However, he's a pretty crappy person. He's arrogant, he's obnoxious, there isn't an ounce of humility/modesty in him, and he went to jail for hitting on a woman. If you separate the boxing from him and solely look at Floyd Mayweather the person, he's a Level 1, Grade A d-bag.

Some folks can accept that and not be bothered by him....and some folks can't stand him and lay in bed at night praying for his downfall.

I personally think Floyd is a jackass, but it's not that big a deal. I don't hate him or anything. I do roll my eyes most of the time when he talks, though lol

 

[doublemesh96]

The thing is, I think it's a bit of a cop out to say it's only because he's black. Don't get me wrong a lot of people don't like that he's black rich and cocky. No disputing that. But also he's an ******* and a woman beater

This is an example of one of the millions of ppl condemning Floyd for being a "woman beater" and it just makes you look bad.

You're judging and labeling this person based off of what evidence?

"He was convicted!"

Right no innocent ppl are ever convicted the system is full proof

"There are 5 incidences of domestic violence!"

I watched the fight with an LAPD officer and we had the DV convo. Basically if you and your wife get into a dispute and you lightly grab her by the arm and escort her out that's DV. Now I'm not saying that's right either but my point is you guys don't seem to understand the full spectrum of what can be considered domestic violence in the eyes of the law. So if we're gonna treat the situation fairly we have to take that into consideration.


"Oh but the police report said..."

right because police reports are never fabricated

Floyd clearly likes to be with multiple women, is that a crime? No, but how do you think his BM or main chick felt about this? We all know how women are crazy jealous about that type of ****

U catch ur man messin up on u on top of that he's rich and is probably talking to you like an *** hole so u think her anger is not on 10 at this point? Yeah she's gonna say allll kinds of **** on that police report to **** u over

Floyd is guilty of being sloppy with his relationships I can imagine how wreckless he was when he was younger so he had females calling 5o left and right. I'm not saying he's innocent but I am saying that y'all calling him a woman beater with no physical evidence,don't even know details, don't have a full account of events from both parties, don't even know the man personally, and beliving blindly in anything the media spews at you...y'all some group think hypocrites man. You never done no wrong in your life huh? Chances are you have but the difference between you and him is your not put under a microscope and your broke.

Let's make sure we got **** correct in our own lives before we decide to condemn others for **** we really have no clue about.

 

[sundoobie]

All that was fabricated including the the handwritten note written by his 10 year old son was a lie?

http://i.usatoday.net/sports/Investigations-and-enterprise/Mayweather-Documents_Part4.pdf

Come on man

 

[trelvis tha thrilla]

The better question is why are yall so quick to defend this dude?