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Originally Posted by Chris316
Originally Posted by Brandon3000
Originally Posted by blacklion23
since the cleveland days he's hated bron
its good though he's a solid competitor.
It will b more personal soon.
Heat Vs Pacers East Semi-Finals. Good Series Folks, Now Time To Destroy Boston.
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At least Lebron never shoots Miami out of games like Kobe. He just passes them out of them...
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Stern & Co weren't going to do anything to wade. Hater or not, that was a malicious foul by wade. There was no possible play on the ball what so ever. If they suspended wade, they'd run the risk of having one of their premiere teams bounced out of the playoffs & further exposing the mental ******. They'd have that poor man suffer a nervous breakdown trying to do things on his own.
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While your clearly wrong on the whole 2 minute timeframe. That is too big of a timeframe to say Kobe hasnt made a shot in 6 years that either tied or took the lead. As well as the fact that the table im about to post has him hitting a game winner in 08'. You are Semi correct stating Kobe isnt as clutch in Playoff game winning/tying LAST SHOTS as a lot of people think.Originally Posted by Simba King
[color= rgb(255, 0, 0)]Look at you....Kobe hasn't made a go-ahead/tie shot in the last 2 minutes of a playoff game since 2006....u ol 3.14 type %+*+#[/color]
Below is a breakdown of game winning/game tying shot attempt throughout Kobe Bryant’s 15 year career:[table][tr][td]1996[/td][td]Utah Jazz[/td][td]Game 5[/td][td]Miss[/td][td]Bryant misses a game tying shot with 4 seconds left.[/td][/tr][tr][td]1999[/td][td]San Antonio Spurs[/td][td]Game 2[/td][td]Miss[/td][td]Bryant misses a game tying shot at the end of regulation[/td][/tr][tr][td]2000[/td][td]Phoenix Suns[/td][td]Game 2[/td][td]Make[/td][td]Bryant makes a game winning shot with 2 seconds left[/td][/tr][tr][td]2001[/td][td]Philidephia 76ers[/td][td]Game 1[/td][td]Miss[/td][td]Bryant misses a game winning shot with 20 seconds left.[/td][/tr][tr][td]2002[/td][td]San Antonio Spurs[/td][td]Game 2[/td][td]Miss[/td][td]Bryant misses a game tying shot at regulation[/td][/tr][tr][td]2002[/td][td]San Antonio Spurs[/td][td]Game 4[/td][td]Make[/td][td]Bryant makes a game winning shot with 5 seconds left[/td][/tr][tr][td]2002[/td][td]Sacramento Kings[/td][td]Game 4[/td][td]Miss[/td][td]Bryant misses a game winning shot with 4 seconds left[/td][/tr][tr][td]2002[/td][td]Sacramento Kings[/td][td]Game 5[/td][td]Miss[/td][td]Bryant misses a game winning shot with 8 seconds left[/td][/tr][tr][td]2002[/td][td]Sacramento Kings[/td][td]Game 7[/td][td]Miss[/td][td]Bryant misses a game winning tip shot with 8 seconds left[/td][/tr][tr][td]2003[/td][td]Minnesota Timberwolves[/td][td]Game 3[/td][td]Miss[/td][td]Bryant misses a game winning shot in OT with 13 seconds left.[/td][/tr][tr][td]2003[/td][td]Minnesota Timberwolves[/td][td]Game 3[/td][td]Miss[/td][td]Bryant misses a game tying shot in OT with 2 seconds left[/td][/tr][tr][td]2003[/td][td]San Antonio Spurs[/td][td]Game 1[/td][td]Miss[/td][td]Bryant misses a game winning shot with 13 seconds left.[/td][/tr][tr][td]2004[/td][td]Houston Rockets[/td][td]Game 1[/td][td]Miss[/td][td]Bryant misses a game winning shot with 17 seconds left.[/td][/tr][tr][td]2004[/td][td]Houston Rockets[/td][td]Game 4[/td][td]Miss[/td][td]Bryant misses a game winning shot with 3 seconds left.[/td][/tr][tr][td]2004[/td][td]San Antonio Spurs[/td][td]Game 5[/td][td]Make[/td][td]Bryant makes a game winning shot attempt with 12 seconds left.[/td][/tr][tr][td]2004[/td][td]Detroit Pistons[/td][td]Game 2[/td][td]Make[/td][td]Bryant makes a game tying shot at the buzzer.[/td][/tr][tr][td]2006[/td][td]Phoenix Suns[/td][td]Game 4[/td][td]Make[/td][td]Bryant makes a game tying shot with one second left.[/td][/tr][tr][td]2006[/td][td]Phoenix Suns[/td][td]Game 4[/td][td]Make[/td][td]Bryant makes a game winning shot at the buzzer.[/td][/tr][tr][td]2006[/td][td]Phoenix Suns[/td][td]Game 6[/td][td]Miss[/td][td]Bryant misses a game winning shot with 6 seconds left.[/td][/tr][tr][td]2008[/td][td]San Antonio Spurs[/td][td]Game 1[/td][td]Make[/td][td]Bryant makes the game winning shot with 23 seconds left.[/td][/tr][tr][td]2009[/td][td]Utah Jazz[/td][td]Game 3[/td][td]Miss[/td][td]Bryant misses a game winning shot with 2 seconds left.[/td][/tr][tr][td]2009[/td][td]Orlando Magic[/td][td]Game 2[/td][td]Miss[/td][td]Bryant has his game winning shot blocked with 8 sec left.[/td][/tr][tr][td]2010[/td][td]Oklahoma City Thunder[/td][td]Game 6[/td][td]Miss[/td][td]Bryant misses game winning shot with .5 seconds left.[/td][/tr][tr][td]2010[/td][td]Phoenix Suns[/td][td]Game 5[/td][td]Miss[/td][td]Bryant misses a game winning shot with 3 seconds left.[/td][/tr][tr][td]2011[/td][td]Dallas Mavericks[/td][td]Game 1[/td][td]Miss[/td][td]Bryant misses a game winning shot at the end of regulation[/td][/tr][/table]
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But again. Those are just stats. That doesnt account for games that he brought the team back from being down big or other things that factor into why people believe Kobe is a clutch player. Which is why I dont like going off strictly stats. But I mean they were going to get posted eventually. So might as well put them out there and people can take them for what they are worth.
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The play looked like it was not even designed for Lebron but dude was giving the ball away Wade or some shooter a few possession before that. With his size and speed he can just take 2 steps and throw in one of those floaters he was putting up earlier. Makes no sense.
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Pacers need to get this win tonight, weather the storm and git-r-done.
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edit thanks Animal_Thug
How did I not know that
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^ It's 2 at home, than back to MIA for 1 - than back to Indy for another, than MIA again if needed.
Indy technically has the home-court advantage right now, though.
Indy technically has the home-court advantage right now, though.
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This should be an exciting game to watch...Looking for big things from both teams...
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Sure, you can say he should wave off his coach and Wade and call his own play there. I agree. But all he did was ran a play that was designed for Wade to post up on Hill, who can't guard him, and on the 2nd post up was deep in the paint. Wade just missed a wide open layup.
But on the last play, Lebron didn't even touch the ball.
The point is, Lebron has to start demanding the ball from his coach and Wade. It's his team now bar none. Wade shouldn't interfere. If people who criticize Bron for not voicing his opinion on that, I agree.
Didn't they just not see what he did in game 1. 16 of the team's 25 points. 8 of the team's last 9 points. Spo is stupid.
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Should be a good game today, can't wait.
Whenever I watch the Heat play I always feel like at any moment, Lebron can will that team to one of those demoralizing runs and steal the game (happened like three times against the Knicks). It's like even when the Pacers have a cushion in the second half, I'm still glued to the TV expecting it to happen.
Whenever I watch the Heat play I always feel like at any moment, Lebron can will that team to one of those demoralizing runs and steal the game (happened like three times against the Knicks). It's like even when the Pacers have a cushion in the second half, I'm still glued to the TV expecting it to happen.
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Just stop bruh, Lebron had his opportunity prior on an iso top of the key and passed it twice....and then sets a screen for Chalmers. If anything Wade should be taking those last shots, both were awful final 2 minutes.
Its pretty obvious he wants no part of the final shot, and if that's what it is that's what it is....no need to make excuses it just makes you look foolish. Lebron is scared to even drive because he wants to part of shooting free throws.
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Damn that NYG super bowl ring is cold as ice!
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Can certainly be hesitant to take a final shot or be assertive but actually walking to the line is not an issue. He's deliberately held onto the ball in tight games this year knowing he'd get fouled (Chicago for one example and he missed.) He's never been a great FT shooter so I even hate it when he does that.
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Originally Posted by AllenIversonFan01
While your clearly wrong on the whole 2 minute timeframe. That is too big of a timeframe to say Kobe hasnt made a shot in 6 years that either tied or took the lead. As well as the fact that the table im about to post has him hitting a game winner in 08'. You are Semi correct stating Kobe isnt as clutch in Playoff game winning/tying LAST SHOTS as a lot of people think.Originally Posted by Simba King
Look at you....Kobe hasn't made a go-ahead/tie shot in the last 2 minutes of a playoff game since 2006....u ol 3.14 type %+*+#
Below is a breakdown of game winning/game tying shot attempt throughout Kobe Bryant’s 15 year career: [table][tr][td]1996[/td][td]Utah Jazz[/td][td]Game 5[/td][td]Miss[/td][td]Bryant misses a game tying shot with 4 seconds left.[/td][/tr][tr][td]1999[/td][td]San Antonio Spurs[/td][td]Game 2[/td][td]Miss[/td][td]Bryant misses a game tying shot at the end of regulation[/td][/tr][tr][td]2000[/td][td]Phoenix Suns[/td][td]Game 2[/td][td]Make[/td][td]Bryant makes a game winning shot with 2 seconds left[/td][/tr][tr][td]2001[/td][td]Philidephia 76ers[/td][td]Game 1[/td][td]Miss[/td][td]Bryant misses a game winning shot with 20 seconds left.[/td][/tr][tr][td]2002[/td][td]San Antonio Spurs[/td][td]Game 2[/td][td]Miss[/td][td]Bryant misses a game tying shot at regulation[/td][/tr][tr][td]2002[/td][td]San Antonio Spurs[/td][td]Game 4[/td][td]Make[/td][td]Bryant makes a game winning shot with 5 seconds left[/td][/tr][tr][td]2002[/td][td]Sacramento Kings[/td][td]Game 4[/td][td]Miss[/td][td]Bryant misses a game winning shot with 4 seconds left[/td][/tr][tr][td]2002[/td][td]Sacramento Kings[/td][td]Game 5[/td][td]Miss[/td][td]Bryant misses a game winning shot with 8 seconds left[/td][/tr][tr][td]2002[/td][td]Sacramento Kings[/td][td]Game 7[/td][td]Miss[/td][td]Bryant misses a game winning tip shot with 8 seconds left[/td][/tr][tr][td]2003[/td][td]Minnesota Timberwolves[/td][td]Game 3[/td][td]Miss[/td][td]Bryant misses a game winning shot in OT with 13 seconds left.[/td][/tr][tr][td]2003[/td][td]Minnesota Timberwolves[/td][td]Game 3[/td][td]Miss[/td][td]Bryant misses a game tying shot in OT with 2 seconds left[/td][/tr][tr][td]2003[/td][td]San Antonio Spurs[/td][td]Game 1[/td][td]Miss[/td][td]Bryant misses a game winning shot with 13 seconds left.[/td][/tr][tr][td]2004[/td][td]Houston Rockets[/td][td]Game 1[/td][td]Miss[/td][td]Bryant misses a game winning shot with 17 seconds left.[/td][/tr][tr][td]2004[/td][td]Houston Rockets[/td][td]Game 4[/td][td]Miss[/td][td]Bryant misses a game winning shot with 3 seconds left.[/td][/tr][tr][td]2004[/td][td]San Antonio Spurs[/td][td]Game 5[/td][td]Make[/td][td]Bryant makes a game winning shot attempt with 12 seconds left.[/td][/tr][tr][td]2004[/td][td]Detroit Pistons[/td][td]Game 2[/td][td]Make[/td][td]Bryant makes a game tying shot at the buzzer.[/td][/tr][tr][td]2006[/td][td]Phoenix Suns[/td][td]Game 4[/td][td]Make[/td][td]Bryant makes a game tying shot with one second left.[/td][/tr][tr][td]2006[/td][td]Phoenix Suns[/td][td]Game 4[/td][td]Make[/td][td]Bryant makes a game winning shot at the buzzer.[/td][/tr][tr][td]2006[/td][td]Phoenix Suns[/td][td]Game 6[/td][td]Miss[/td][td]Bryant misses a game winning shot with 6 seconds left.[/td][/tr][tr][td]2008[/td][td]San Antonio Spurs[/td][td]Game 1[/td][td]Make[/td][td]Bryant makes the game winning shot with 23 seconds left.[/td][/tr][tr][td]2009[/td][td]Utah Jazz[/td][td]Game 3[/td][td]Miss[/td][td]Bryant misses a game winning shot with 2 seconds left.[/td][/tr][tr][td]2009[/td][td]Orlando Magic[/td][td]Game 2[/td][td]Miss[/td][td]Bryant has his game winning shot blocked with 8 sec left.[/td][/tr][tr][td]2010[/td][td]Oklahoma City Thunder[/td][td]Game 6[/td][td]Miss[/td][td]Bryant misses game winning shot with .5 seconds left.[/td][/tr][tr][td]2010[/td][td]Phoenix Suns[/td][td]Game 5[/td][td]Miss[/td][td]Bryant misses a game winning shot with 3 seconds left.[/td][/tr][tr][td]2011[/td][td]Dallas Mavericks[/td][td]Game 1[/td][td]Miss[/td][td]Bryant misses a game winning shot at the end of regulation[/td][/tr][/table]
Diislike when stats like "Kobe hasn't made a go-ahead/tying shot in the last 2 min for years" are used to describe something as abstract as a "clutch factor."
From an objective standpoint, you can't argue that Kobe is clutch. His belief in himself, his ability, and his shot factors into him being clutch, not just how many he's made in the last however-many-seconds vs. how many he's missed. Those types of stats just seem to be used to justify the "haters" argument. Simple fact, if Kobe had the ball against your team you'd be more scared than if Steve Blake, Pau, Metta, Bynum took the shot - no matter how many he's missed over the last 3 years. And Kobe being on the floor gives a sense that his team will always have a chance at winning a close game, another sign of being "clutch."
Sorry to feed into this debate. I really came in here to see the discussion on tonights game
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Take Lebron off West. Lebron drops 35+ tonight.
Heat win.
Heat win.
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Greg Oden wants to play for the Heat
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Greg Oden wants to play for the Heat
He gotta wait in line
But seriously
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Spoelstra starting Pittman and Battier. LOL.
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Should be cake for Indy if that's the case
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@ 'gotta wait in line'.
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i agree stop playing lebron at the 4 and you will win.... bron drops 38 7 8 5 line in with a 10+ point win