How could you hate Obama?

Originally Posted by JRose5

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Dude, you and every other NikeTalker don't even know why you hate Fox News. Hop off the NikeTalk bandwagon.

Yeah, here's to you to.
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JR5
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if you want to say that i'm saying that to hop on"NikeTalk's bandwagon", go 'head.

But it's more than a niketalk bandwagon, its a widely recognized right-wing, extremely conservative news station that doesn't hide its biased opinions.I watch fox, as well as cnn and msnbc..but i don't agree with 75-95% of what they say...i find their arguments against almost all liberal moves, most ofthe time, ridiculous and unfair. They obviously try to shine light on all the negatives possible when it comes to the Democratic party or Obama himself. So mypoint of emphasizing the "Fox News" context was just toshow that you're backing up what you say with the a conservative news source which is known for its biased opinion. Not only do i know this, so doesNikeTalk , as well as LOTS of people, usually those with at least some political interests.

The reason why you see it as a NikeTalk "bandwagon" is probably due to the fact that NT generally consists of relatively young users- who aregenerally liberal..which means they see Fox as a flawed news station, because that is what its generally recognized as. I don't think what i'm sayingis crazy, cool guy.
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Originally Posted by NooEra

Originally Posted by airmissionretro

Look at it this way....a history lesson for you...

- Jesus was hated
- Buddah was hated
- Caesar was hated
- Confucious was hated
- Ghandhi was hated
- Napolean was hated
- Abraham Lincoln was hated
- MLK was hated
- JFK was hated
- Mao Zedong was hated
- Mother Teresa was hated
- Pope John Paul was hated
- Hitler was hated
- Saddam Hussien was hated
- Michael Jackson was hated
- Elvis Pressley was hated
- Tookie Williams was hated


.....whether or not they were good or bad people or what good or bad things they have done in history----They got their share of hate----and all the criticism, and condemnation didn't stop them from doing what they do----and most importantly, garnering their respect by their following, whether they criticized them or not..... point is... look where Obama and other people of power are at compared to their critics.


At the end of the day....people will always "hate" regardless of what you do....but at the end of the day, they got their respect---point blank.


Wasnt expecting to see Tookie Williams on the same list as Jesus and MLK
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I'm saying, though.
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The people who are showing up and screaming at the town halls are bitter people mad because there is a black man in the white house. Its RACISM, plain andsimple.

You don't like what Obama is doing in office? Too bad, He was voted in for 4 years and still got 3 and some change to go. And if the Repubs can't findanybody other the same guys who ran the last time, expect to see Obama back for another 4 years. People get too wrapped up in politics, acting like somepoliticians are different from others, they are all the same they just have different groups of people they rely on for votes.
 
NikFiend wrote:
JRose5 wrote:
^^

Dude, you and every other NikeTalker don't even know why you hate Fox News. Hop off the NikeTalk bandwagon.

Yeah, here's to you to.
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Cool guy.




JR5

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if you want to say that i'm saying that to hop on "NikeTalk's bandwagon", go 'head.

But it's more than a niketalk bandwagon, its a widely recognized right-wing, extremely conservative news station that doesn't hide its biased opinions. I watch fox, as well as cnn and msnbc..but i don't agree with 75-95% of what they say...i find their arguments against almost all liberal moves, most of the time, ridiculous and unfair. They obviously try to shine light on all the negatives possible when it comes to the Democratic party or Obama himself. So my point of emphasizing the "Fox News" context was just to show that you're backing up what you say with the a conservative news source which is known for its biased opinion. Not only do i know this, so does NikeTalk , as well as LOTS of people, usually those with at least some political interests.

The reason why you see it as a NikeTalk "bandwagon" is probably due to the fact that NT generally consists of relatively young users- who are generally liberal..which means they see Fox as a flawed news station, because that is what its generally recognized as. I don't think what i'm saying is crazy, cool guy.
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on so many levels. I swear some of you only have a perspective of what is 10ft ahead of you. Fox News is on the same exact level of MSNBC just on oppositesides of the spectrum. You state your preconceived bias against conservative views and yet expect to make an unbiased decision on whether a news channel is"flawed" or not? Does that make any sense? I mean come on man, LISTEN to what you are saying. It is essentially "I am openly biased and do notlike dissenting views on liberal issues. People who disagree with me are flawed".

Fox news is catered towards conservatives while MSNBC is catered towards conservatives. Of course your not going to like it, it is not trying to appease yourview. You dont have to watch it. But to try to discredit a news agency based soley on their political leaning is not right. All news comes with a slant becausemore often then not, news providers are owned by companies with their own agenda.

The people who are showing up and screaming at the town halls are bitter people mad because there is a black man in the white house. Its RACISM, plain and simple.

You don't like what Obama is doing in office? Too bad, He was voted in for 4 years and still got 3 and some change to go. And if the Repubs can't find anybody other the same guys who ran the last time, expect to see Obama back for another 4 years. People get too wrapped up in politics, acting like some politicians are different from others, they are all the same they just have different groups of people they rely on for votes.


As a black man I can confidently assume with high degree of accuracy that you have no idea what the %@!# your talking about. Generalizing a groupof people based on isolated incidents is nothing short of ignorance. I'm not saying that some of the people at those meetings are not racist but after thefevered yelling calms down these people ask tough questions about healthcare issues that they are concerned about. I think the majority of people at thesemeetings are fed up with government intervention into the private sector because on numerous occasions the government has shown that it is straight upinefficient. By demonize political opponents is often an attempt at marginalizing their issues. Instead of yelling racism people should be answering theirconcerns and actually watching a town hall meeting instead of relying on sound bites from the evening news to form their opinions.
 
I do not dislike him but I do feel that he can no worst than our previous president who caused this country to go down financially. However besides beingpresident, Obama is black and he will always get more heat then our previous so called presidents. Many people will come in here and say they dont like him andjust give some lame reason as to why but they will never tell u what u probably already know.
 
Originally Posted by JustScoreda100

NikFiend wrote:
JRose5 wrote:
^^

Dude, you and every other NikeTalker don't even know why you hate Fox News. Hop off the NikeTalk bandwagon.

Yeah, here's to you to.
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Cool guy.




JR5
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if you want to say that i'm saying that to hop on "NikeTalk's bandwagon", go 'head.

But it's more than a niketalk bandwagon, its a widely recognized right-wing, extremely conservative news station that doesn't hide its biased opinions. I watch fox, as well as cnn and msnbc..but i don't agree with 75-95% of what they say...i find their arguments against almost all liberal moves, most of the time, ridiculous and unfair. They obviously try to shine light on all the negatives possible when it comes to the Democratic party or Obama himself. So my point of emphasizing the "Fox News" context was just to show that you're backing up what you say with the a conservative news source which is known for its biased opinion. Not only do i know this, so does NikeTalk , as well as LOTS of people, usually those with at least some political interests.

The reason why you see it as a NikeTalk "bandwagon" is probably due to the fact that NT generally consists of relatively young users- who are generally liberal..which means they see Fox as a flawed news station, because that is what its generally recognized as. I don't think what i'm saying is crazy, cool guy.
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on so many levels. I swear some of you only have a perspective of what is 10ft ahead of you. Fox News is on the same exact level of MSNBC just on opposite sides of the spectrum. You state your preconceived bias against conservative views and yet expect to make an unbiased decision on whether a news channel is "flawed" or not? Does that make any sense? I mean come on man, LISTEN to what you are saying. It is essentially "I am openly biased and do not like dissenting views on liberal issues. People who disagree with me are flawed".

Fox news is catered towards conservatives while MSNBC is catered towards conservatives. Of course your not going to like it, it is not trying to appease your view. You dont have to watch it. But to try to discredit a news agency based soley on their political leaning is not right. All news comes with a slant because more often then not, news providers are owned by companies with their own agenda.



ill cue the "Cool guy" face right about now.

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No. I'm not saying "I am openly biased and do not like dissenting views on liberal issues. People who disagree with me are flawed". You gottaread what im saying IN context. The first time i quoted was in response to a dude saying that Obama is not doing @#$% for America, but what i was saying isthat from a conservative viewpoint yall say Obamas a big fail when he's just trying to clean up the Bush Administrations mess, going deeper into that willjust lead to dudes like you taking out every little thing i say and trying to turn it on me, so thats generally what i was saying. its pretty simple

The second time was Jrose claiming that the only reason i emphasized Fox was to just be on the NT bandwagon, basically saying i was just trying to look cool bysaying what everyone else would say. I responded saying that Fox is widely recognized as a flawed newsstation..if you are gonna argue that then this conversation should just be deaded right now. What you're saying about news stations being slightly one wayor another is truth..im not arguing that. Theres a difference between "discrediting a news agency based solely on their political leaning" anddiscrediting a news station which is COMPLETELY one sided and uses the dumbest @#$% to make any democratic move look stupid. You've seen what Fox has doneso don't act like you cant comprehend what i'm trying to get across..because it takes some understanding beyond just what i wrote to see where imsaying, those youtube videos might be some help.

And that whole thing you got goin about me being biased against conservatives is a pointless argument..i can say the same exact thing to anyone that shows anyleaning towards conservatism because that point will always be proven right, but thats usually understood so theres no point in even bringing it up
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Tookie Williams??? Really?
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OH man... I am loving NT and the comic relief here

How can anyone hate Obama based off his personality?

I certainly don't. Its great to see a minority in the White House. Great to know that he grew up in Hawaii and in Indonesia. His love of sports and inparticular basketball. He has a great wife and two adorable kids. His work as a community organizer in Chicago and the way he presents himself as an authorand an orator is just great. That's the kind of President I want... because personality wise I can relate to him.

But the way Obama has been governing in just 6 short months? Some things he has done I agree with and support but as a whole, Obama has been a hugedisappointment. Dude has proven to me that he is nothing more than just a politician from the Left side of the Political spectrum. Little has changed and themore he governs the more I am becoming to dislike him regardless if he has that jump shot and knows how to talk a good talk.
 
Originally Posted by 100PROOF

The people who are showing up and screaming at the town halls are bitter people mad because there is a black man in the white house. Its RACISM, plain and simple.
Oh shut the @!*! up. Next person that gives me this utter BS excuse for why people are finally seeing Obama's true nature is getting a righthook to the +!!%+@$ jaw. Yea I'm mad....So who is the racist, the people talking about the ISSUES, or the lames who don't understand the issues andresort to screaming "RACIST" because they have the political IQ of a donkey...(yea pun intended for those who get it) Ever occur to you that lots ofthese "racists" you speak of voted for Obama...because they did, and now they are kicking themselves in the $#@ for it.
 
Originally Posted by airmissionretro

Look at it this way....a history lesson for you...

- Jesus was hated
- Buddah was hated
- Caesar was hated
- Confucious was hated
- Ghandhi was hated
- Napolean was hated
- Abraham Lincoln was hated
- MLK was hated
- JFK was hated
- Mao Zedong was hated
- Mother Teresa was hated
- Pope John Paul was hated
- Hitler was hated
- Saddam Hussien was hated
- Michael Jackson was hated
- Elvis Pressley was hated
- Tookie Williams was hated


.....whether or not they were good or bad people or what good or bad things they have done in history----They got their share of hate----and all the criticism, and condemnation didn't stop them from doing what they do----and most importantly, garnering their respect by their following, whether they criticized them or not..... point is... look where Obama and other people of power are at compared to their critics.


At the end of the day....people will always "hate" regardless of what you do....but at the end of the day, they got their respect---point blank.
Wow. Completely irreverent and borderline idiotic. You tried to sound introspective but ended up sounding just plain stupid. Nice try but youfail.
 
NikFiend wrote:
Originally Posted by JustScoreda100

NikFiend wrote:
JRose5 wrote:
^^

Dude, you and every other NikeTalker don't even know why you hate Fox News. Hop off the NikeTalk bandwagon.

Yeah, here's to you to.
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Cool guy.




JR5
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if you want to say that i'm saying that to hop on "NikeTalk's bandwagon", go 'head.

But it's more than a niketalk bandwagon, its a widely recognized right-wing, extremely conservative news station that doesn't hide its biased opinions. I watch fox, as well as cnn and msnbc..but i don't agree with 75-95% of what they say...i find their arguments against almost all liberal moves, most of the time, ridiculous and unfair. They obviously try to shine light on all the negatives possible when it comes to the Democratic party or Obama himself. So my point of emphasizing the "Fox News" context was just to show that you're backing up what you say with the a conservative news source which is known for its biased opinion. Not only do i know this, so does NikeTalk , as well as LOTS of people, usually those with at least some political interests.

The reason why you see it as a NikeTalk "bandwagon" is probably due to the fact that NT generally consists of relatively young users- who are generally liberal..which means they see Fox as a flawed news station, because that is what its generally recognized as. I don't think what i'm saying is crazy, cool guy.
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on so many levels. I swear some of you only have a perspective of what is 10ft ahead of you. Fox News is on the same exact level of MSNBC just on opposite sides of the spectrum. You state your preconceived bias against conservative views and yet expect to make an unbiased decision on whether a news channel is "flawed" or not? Does that make any sense? I mean come on man, LISTEN to what you are saying. It is essentially "I am openly biased and do not like dissenting views on liberal issues. People who disagree with me are flawed".

Fox news is catered towards conservatives while MSNBC is catered towards conservatives. Of course your not going to like it, it is not trying to appease your view. You dont have to watch it. But to try to discredit a news agency based soley on their political leaning is not right. All news comes with a slant because more often then not, news providers are owned by companies with their own agenda.



ill cue the "Cool guy" face right about now.

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No. I'm not saying "I am openly biased and do not like dissenting views on liberal issues. People who disagree with me are flawed". You gotta read what im saying IN context. The first time i quoted was in response to a dude saying that Obama is not doing @#$% for America, but what i was saying is that from a conservative viewpoint yall say Obamas a big fail when he's just trying to clean up the Bush Administrations mess, going deeper into that will just lead to dudes like you taking out every little thing i say and trying to turn it on me, so thats generally what i was saying. its pretty simple

The second time was Jrose claiming that the only reason i emphasized Fox was to just be on the NT bandwagon, basically saying i was just trying to look cool by saying what everyone else would say. I responded saying that Fox is widely recognized as a flawed news station..if you are gonna argue that then this conversation should just be deaded right now. What you're saying about news stations being slightly one way or another is truth..im not arguing that. Theres a difference between "discrediting a news agency based solely on their political leaning" and discrediting a news station which is COMPLETELY one sided and uses the dumbest @#$% to make any democratic move look stupid. You've seen what Fox has done so don't act like you cant comprehend what i'm trying to get across..because it takes some understanding beyond just what i wrote to see where im saying, those youtube videos might be some help.

And that whole thing you got goin about me being biased against conservatives is a pointless argument..i can say the same exact thing to anyone that shows any leaning towards conservatism because that point will always be proven right, but thats usually understood so theres no point in even bringing it up
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If you want to talk about taking things inside their context then maybe you should do the same for JR5's statement. He never said Obama wasdoing nothing for this country, just that he didnt support his ideals and that he was glad that other people were realizing the same. Sure, he may not haveknown that those people had their water turned off way before Obama was even elected, you still came off as biased because you completly ignored the story justbecause it was played on fox news. If you actually took the time to listen instead of drawing from previous conclusions you would have known that those peoplewere upset and asking Obama to help them get their irrigation system turned back on.

The only mess Bush left Obama was the two wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. America's deregulation of the financial system as well as the causes of the subprime loan fiasco were already well underway during the Clinton administration. So if he's trying to clean up Bush's mess why aren't the troopshome?

Fox News is widely known to be biased but is still able to pull is crowds 3 times the size of its competitors and in certain time slots brings in more viewersthen all there competition combined? Im not saying Fox is better then any other news station because all of them are crap. Fox is just as extreme to theirspectrum as MSNBC. You can make a case for saying that CNN slight leans to the left. Both MSNBC and Fox try to make each other look stupid the only differenceis that Fox is more succesful at it in terms of viewership
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All's I'm is don't act like the opposition is vile for doing something when your team is doing the exact same thing.
 
JustScoreda100

There is a fundamental difference between Fox News and MSNBC, which becomes tremendously clear when comparing shows such as "Countdown" and"Hannity". You are either completely ignorant to it due to bias, or simply won't admit it due to the same reasons.

The only mess Bush left Obama was the two wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. America's deregulation of the financial system as well as the causes of the sub prime loan fiasco were already well underway during the Clinton administration. So if he's trying to clean up Bush's mess why aren't the troops home?


Is this a serious question? Did you want him to bring all of the troops back within 6 months of starting his presidency? I'm sure that if he actually didsuch a thing (which would be horrible) you, alongside many others, would criticize him for leaving a war zone too soon and spending too much money while doingso.

If you want to put what Jrose said in context...

Exactly. This president is a bum and we all know why he was voted into office. I'm sick of people defending this joke of a president.

I knew his bull @%#@ would backfire. So glad his approval rating keeps dipping.


There is a difference between not supporting someone's ideals and flat out calling them a "bum", and alluding to him only being elected due tohis race (don't tell me that's not what he was alluding to).
 
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JustScoreda100

There is a fundamental difference between Fox News and MSNBC, which becomes tremendously clear when comparing shows such as "Countdown" and "Hannity". You are either completely ignorant to it due to bias, or simply won't admit it due to the same reasons.

The only mess Bush left Obama was the two wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. America's deregulation of the financial system as well as the causes of the sub prime loan fiasco were already well underway during the Clinton administration. So if he's trying to clean up Bush's mess why aren't the troops home?


Is this a serious question? Did you want him to bring all of the troops back within 6 months of starting his presidency? I'm sure that if he actually did such a thing (which would be horrible) you, alongside many others, would criticize him for leaving a war zone too soon and spending too much money while doing so.

If you want to put what Jrose said in context...

Exactly. This president is a bum and we all know why he was voted into office. I'm sick of people defending this joke of a president.

I knew his bull @%#@ would backfire. So glad his approval rating keeps dipping.


There is a difference between not supporting someone's ideals and flat out calling them a "bum", and alluding to him only being elected due to his race (don't tell me that's not what he was alluding to).


Im firmly anti war and do not believe that wars in Iraq or Afghanistan increase America's secuirty. While Obama is winding down the war in Iraq, he isescalating the war in Afghanistan. Some reports have even said that this excalation could result in a US presence in Afghanistan for as long as 10 years. Ifyou compare Bush's mess to a dirty bedroom, Obama put half of the dirty clothes in the hamper and promised to wash them next week and then stuffed the restof clothes into his closet. Only thing is that instead of throwing new dirty clothes onto the floor like Bush, Obama is just throwing them into the closetwhere it is harder to see.

Both rooms are dirty one just looks cleaner.
 
Originally Posted by TheTrapezeSwinger

Originally Posted by airmissionretro

Look at it this way....a history lesson for you...

- Jesus was hated
- Buddah was hated
- Caesar was hated
- Confucious was hated
- Ghandhi was hated
- Napolean was hated
- Abraham Lincoln was hated
- MLK was hated
- JFK was hated
- Mao Zedong was hated
- Mother Teresa was hated
- Pope John Paul was hated
- Hitler was hated
- Saddam Hussien was hated
- Michael Jackson was hated
- Elvis Pressley was hated
- Tookie Williams was hated


.....whether or not they were good or bad people or what good or bad things they have done in history----They got their share of hate----and all the criticism, and condemnation didn't stop them from doing what they do----and most importantly, garnering their respect by their following, whether they criticized them or not..... point is... look where Obama and other people of power are at compared to their critics.


At the end of the day....people will always "hate" regardless of what you do....but at the end of the day, they got their respect---point blank.
Wow. Completely irreverent and borderline idiotic. You tried to sound introspective but ended up sounding just plain stupid. Nice try but you fail.
Agreed. Everyone is hated by someone. It has no relevance to whether or not you are a good leader
 
Originally Posted by 100PROOF

The people who are showing up and screaming at the town halls are bitter people mad because there is a black man in the white house. Its RACISM, plain and simple.

You don't like what Obama is doing in office? Too bad, He was voted in for 4 years and still got 3 and some change to go. And if the Repubs can't find anybody other the same guys who ran the last time, expect to see Obama back for another 4 years. People get too wrapped up in politics, acting like some politicians are different from others, they are all the same they just have different groups of people they rely on for votes.


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...preach...i embrace the hate/racism...i love it...glad I was raised to be strong against it....and obviously obama was too
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but seriously obama >mccain so yall should shut that complaining up...we would be in war w/ NK and still trying to change the muslim world if he was in office...
 
Originally Posted by JustScoreda100

NikFiend wrote:
Originally Posted by JustScoreda100

NikFiend wrote:
JRose5 wrote:
^^

Dude, you and every other NikeTalker don't even know why you hate Fox News. Hop off the NikeTalk bandwagon.

Yeah, here's to you to.
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Cool guy.




JR5
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if you want to say that i'm saying that to hop on "NikeTalk's bandwagon", go 'head.

But it's more than a niketalk bandwagon, its a widely recognized right-wing, extremely conservative news station that doesn't hide its biased opinions. I watch fox, as well as cnn and msnbc..but i don't agree with 75-95% of what they say...i find their arguments against almost all liberal moves, most of the time, ridiculous and unfair. They obviously try to shine light on all the negatives possible when it comes to the Democratic party or Obama himself. So my point of emphasizing the "Fox News" context was just to show that you're backing up what you say with the a conservative news source which is known for its biased opinion. Not only do i know this, so does NikeTalk , as well as LOTS of people, usually those with at least some political interests.

The reason why you see it as a NikeTalk "bandwagon" is probably due to the fact that NT generally consists of relatively young users- who are generally liberal..which means they see Fox as a flawed news station, because that is what its generally recognized as. I don't think what i'm saying is crazy, cool guy.
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on so many levels. I swear some of you only have a perspective of what is 10ft ahead of you. Fox News is on the same exact level of MSNBC just on opposite sides of the spectrum. You state your preconceived bias against conservative views and yet expect to make an unbiased decision on whether a news channel is "flawed" or not? Does that make any sense? I mean come on man, LISTEN to what you are saying. It is essentially "I am openly biased and do not like dissenting views on liberal issues. People who disagree with me are flawed".

Fox news is catered towards conservatives while MSNBC is catered towards conservatives. Of course your not going to like it, it is not trying to appease your view. You dont have to watch it. But to try to discredit a news agency based soley on their political leaning is not right. All news comes with a slant because more often then not, news providers are owned by companies with their own agenda.



ill cue the "Cool guy" face right about now.

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No. I'm not saying "I am openly biased and do not like dissenting views on liberal issues. People who disagree with me are flawed". You gotta read what im saying IN context. The first time i quoted was in response to a dude saying that Obama is not doing @#$% for America, but what i was saying is that from a conservative viewpoint yall say Obamas a big fail when he's just trying to clean up the Bush Administrations mess, going deeper into that will just lead to dudes like you taking out every little thing i say and trying to turn it on me, so thats generally what i was saying. its pretty simple

The second time was Jrose claiming that the only reason i emphasized Fox was to just be on the NT bandwagon, basically saying i was just trying to look cool by saying what everyone else would say. I responded saying that Fox is widely recognized as a flawed news station..if you are gonna argue that then this conversation should just be deaded right now. What you're saying about news stations being slightly one way or another is truth..im not arguing that. Theres a difference between "discrediting a news agency based solely on their political leaning" and discrediting a news station which is COMPLETELY one sided and uses the dumbest @#$% to make any democratic move look stupid. You've seen what Fox has done so don't act like you cant comprehend what i'm trying to get across..because it takes some understanding beyond just what i wrote to see where im saying, those youtube videos might be some help.

And that whole thing you got goin about me being biased against conservatives is a pointless argument..i can say the same exact thing to anyone that shows any leaning towards conservatism because that point will always be proven right, but thats usually understood so theres no point in even bringing it up
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If you want to talk about taking things inside their context then maybe you should do the same for JR5's statement. He never said Obama was doing nothing for this country, just that he didnt support his ideals and that he was glad that other people were realizing the same. Sure, he may not have known that those people had their water turned off way before Obama was even elected, you still came off as biased because you completly ignored the story just because it was played on fox news. If you actually took the time to listen instead of drawing from previous conclusions you would have known that those people were upset and asking Obama to help them get their irrigation system turned back on.

The only mess Bush left Obama was the two wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. America's deregulation of the financial system as well as the causes of the sub prime loan fiasco were already well underway during the Clinton administration. So if he's trying to clean up Bush's mess why aren't the troops home?

Fox News is widely known to be biased but is still able to pull is crowds 3 times the size of its competitors and in certain time slots brings in more viewers then all there competition combined? Im not saying Fox is better then any other news station because all of them are crap. Fox is just as extreme to their spectrum as MSNBC. You can make a case for saying that CNN slight leans to the left. Both MSNBC and Fox try to make each other look stupid the only difference is that Fox is more succesful at it in terms of viewership
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All's I'm is don't act like the opposition is vile for doing something when your team is doing the exact same thing.
I got what you're saying. Its all good, i just feel like the fact this argument is online doesn't let us fully explain our point withoutwriting an essay, so its kinda hard
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. Good point, even if we disagreeon some parts
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