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AA is a necessary system right now, nowhere near perfect, but niether is society. But AA has plenty of flaws and not being 100% on board does not make you'racist or ignorant'
I never Knew so many people were against Affirmative Action...
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Originally Posted by eNPHAN
, if they're so over-qualified, they'll get into a good school, somewhere...
it's not like over-qualified whites and asians don't have vast opportunity.....
@I CANT HOST KEGGERS WITH GREG AND CHET AT THE LAMBDA HOUSE?
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The point isn't that they can't get into a good school, the fact that any school would do that is in my opinion, wrong. Who cares if they can get intoanother school? What if the school they got rejected to was the school they wanted to go to all their life? Because they are qualified to go to other schoolsisn't an argument to deny them admissions to any one specific school that they are qualified for but were not admitted to because of their skin color.
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Def. have a good point.
But then, you also have to ask yourself-- "is one's qualifications merely dependent on a set of quantitative factors-- grades, gpa, entranceexamination scores, extracurricular activities-- or does it take into account certain subjective (essentially unmeasurable) factors like one's background,history, and 'unique experience'"...This is the real question to ask...which is what ICUP was alluding to...
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Originally Posted by eNPHAN
, if they're so over-qualified, they'll get into a good school, somewhere...
it's not like over-qualified whites and asians don't have vast opportunity.....
@I CANT HOST KEGGERS WITH GREG AND CHET AT THE LAMBDA HOUSE?
BUMMMMMMMERRRRRRRRR
The point isn't that they can't get into a good school, the fact that any school would do that is in my opinion, wrong. Who cares if they can get into another school? What if the school they got rejected to was the school they wanted to go to all their life? Because they are qualified to go to other schools isn't an argument to deny them admissions to any one specific school that they are qualified for but were not admitted to because of their skin color.
Its not about hiding behind diversity as another term for reverse racism. It simply is not. There is value in diversity but you may have notjust experienced it. For example, have you ever been in an all white race and politics class? What value would a class discussion be? Would you feel cheatedbecause your class has no one that has experienced what is to be a minority (race wise)? How about a Poverty and Economics class? How about a one sided AAdiscussion? There is no value in talking about things without diversity of experience and opinion.
I majored in economics and political science so I've been that token minority in those type of race discussions. Did I grow up in the ghetto, no. Is myfamily poor? no. However because of my race, I experienced things that they would never have the opportunity to experience. I analyze things through myexperiences and can enlighten them. Moreover, there is a huge difference from growing up with black parents who were immigrants from the Carribean, thangrowing up in a white family. Our cultures not only differ but our values differ also. There are differences between men and women in experiences. Somethings that are common knowledge for women are things that I as young man would never think about.
Was in college based on AA? Naw I was well qualified, but I did get a minority scholarship.If AA increases diversity then it is a good program. Also if it were not forthe government or other business pressures then most business wouldn't give a rats about hiring diverse people. For example the legal field, it wasn'tuntil big clients like Wal-mart starting saying we need your firms to be more diverse if you want to keep Wal-Mart, Inc. as your client. Then thats when youstarted seeing more firms start recruiting from black law student associations and stuff. If there was no AA then most people would not have gotten theopportunity to understand the value in diversity.
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There's that term "reverse racism" again
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LOL at Dirty arguing for AA.
You do realize that the group most negatively affected by AA are Asians when it comes to grad, law, and medical schools.
Do you see why?
Also, why are people arguing over AA in terms of jobs? AA is only really practiced for government jobs and not really in the private world as much.
AA has the greatest impact when it comes to educational institutions. I'm not against it really. It's whatever.
Ninety percent of sports players in Uni's don't deserve to be there. Plenty of those that attend Ivey League schools are only there because ofdonations made by their parents or being the children of alumni.
It is what it is. I don't view it as anything terribly horrible.
You do realize that the group most negatively affected by AA are Asians when it comes to grad, law, and medical schools.
Do you see why?
Also, why are people arguing over AA in terms of jobs? AA is only really practiced for government jobs and not really in the private world as much.
AA has the greatest impact when it comes to educational institutions. I'm not against it really. It's whatever.
Ninety percent of sports players in Uni's don't deserve to be there. Plenty of those that attend Ivey League schools are only there because ofdonations made by their parents or being the children of alumni.
It is what it is. I don't view it as anything terribly horrible.
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My family is first generation here, I need affirmative action to help me out......
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how about getting into NO schools because of your skin color?Originally Posted by moonmaster3
Originally Posted by eNPHAN
, if they're so over-qualified, they'll get into a good school, somewhere...
it's not like over-qualified whites and asians don't have vast opportunity.....
@I CANT HOST KEGGERS WITH GREG AND CHET AT THE LAMBDA HOUSE?
BUMMMMMMMERRRRRRRRR
The point isn't that they can't get into a good school, the fact that any school would do that is in my opinion, wrong. Who cares if they can get into another school? What if the school they got rejected to was the school they wanted to go to all their life? Because they are qualified to go to other schools isn't an argument to deny them admissions to any one specific school that they are qualified for but were not admitted to because of their skin color.
aka before AA....
why you think HBCU's had to be founded?
AA was instituted to right wrongs.....
it's a shame chet can't get into state u, i mean, he's wanted to go there all his life...
but it was an equal shame that james couldnt get into any school what-so-ever before the institution of AA...
now, i think that's a stupid justification of AA, so instead of the "intent" argument, i pose this to you;
If chet didn't get into State U, why does he attribute it to a black student who did get in? why doesn't he ask himself why his other countless, white,over-qualified peers get in and he didn't?
i'll even grant you the thought that under qualified black students take places from over-qualified white kids...i'll grant you that...i disagree, butwhatever, for the sake of the argument, that's exactly what happens...
If he's so over-qualified, i don't think he would have lost his place to a less qualified black kid...
if he was so over-qualified, he wouldn't be near the margin to be "replaced" by a marginal black kid
maybe, if he wanted to get into state u SOOOOOOOOOOO bad, he would have worked harder to not been in the "replace him with an under qualified blackkid" margin, right?
like i said, chet may not get into his 1st choice of schools, as over-qualified as he is, but he definitely got into SOMEWHERE...
whereas, following YOUR logic (which i disagree with) the under-qualified black kids wouldn't have the opportunity at school ANYWHERE if not foraffirmative action forcing the school that accepted him to meet a quota and accept them into the school, right?
isn't the point of AA to give otherwise hopeless individuals an opportunity?
isn't the point of AA to give underrepresented and historically repressed groups an equal opportunity?
hey, i'd love for this nation to not need AA, but for that to be reality, we would have needed the historical racial interaction of this country to beVASTLY different...
it's not reverse racism....no, that would be discriminating against ALL white students, not admitting ANY of them, telling them to their faces,"it's cause you're white...this here is a school for red-blooded black people", causing whites to create their own HWCUs and force their wayback into mainstream schools through EXTREME OVER-QUALIFICATION.....for a couple hundred years....
that would be "the same thing"
but hey, then white people could get all the AA, and it would be us over-qualified black kids getting our spots taken by under-qualified whites, right?
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So true.
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Originally Posted by eNPHAN
how about getting into NO schools because of your skin color?
aka before AA....
why you think HBCU's had to be founded?
AA was instituted to right wrongs.....
it's a shame chet can't get into state u, i mean, he's wanted to go there all his life...
but it was an equal shame that james couldnt get into any school what-so-ever before the institution of AA...
now, i think that's a stupid justification of AA, so instead of the "intent" argument, i pose this to you;
If chet didn't get into State U, why does he attribute it to a black student who did get in? why doesn't he ask himself why his other countless, white, over-qualified peers get in and he didn't?
i'll even grant you the thought that under qualified black students take places from over-qualified white kids...i'll grant you that...i disagree, but whatever, for the sake of the argument, that's exactly what happens...
If he's so over-qualified, i don't think he would have lost his place to a less qualified black kid...
if he was so over-qualified, he wouldn't be near the margin to be "replaced" by a marginal black kid
maybe, if he wanted to get into state u SOOOOOOOOOOO bad, he would have worked harder to not been in the "replace him with an under qualified black kid" margin, right?
like i said, chet may not get into his 1st choice of schools, as over-qualified as he is, but he definitely got into SOMEWHERE...
whereas, following YOUR logic (which i disagree with) the under-qualified black kids wouldn't have the opportunity at school ANYWHERE if not for affirmative action forcing the school that accepted him to meet a quota and accept them into the school, right?
isn't the point of AA to give otherwise hopeless individuals an opportunity?
isn't the point of AA to give underrepresented and historically repressed groups an equal opportunity?
hey, i'd love for this nation to not need AA, but for that to be reality, we would have needed the historical racial interaction of this country to be VASTLY different...
it's not reverse racism....no, that would be discriminating against ALL white students, not admitting ANY of them, telling them to their faces, "it's cause you're white...this here is a school for red-blooded black people", causing whites to create their own HWCUs and force their way back into mainstream schools through EXTREME OVER-QUALIFICATION.....for a couple hundred years....
that would be "the same thing"
but hey, then white people could get all the AA, and it would be us over-qualified black kids getting our spots taken by under-qualified whites, right?
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I truly feel that well-executed affirmative action will render itself obsolete - we need to end it as soon as we can, but it would be irresponsible to end itbefore it achieves its goal (a society in which today's economic realities are not reflective of past institutionalized oppression). It puzzles me when*some* white men use it as the scapegoat for their failures, because it really only helps those at the margins. No white man with perfect credentials and acompelling life story is going to be turned away in favor of a sub-par woman or ethnic minority but, just as Judge Sotomayor has said, a female or ethniccandidate with the same academic credentials as the society standard - a white male - has likely overcome greater obstacles and will bring a perspective thatis not only informed by mainstream culture, but also their own unique life experience.
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I know this already.
...still doesn't change my mind about it
Cool.
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im against it... why not start forcing NBA teams to draft women into the league and take the spots of better male players?
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hmm.. for those against AA.
I posed this question in an older thread.
I posed this question in an older thread.
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wouldn't that be somewhat fair?
good point
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Affirmative action was a great idea and I agree it was necessary at the time.
Now the President is black. I don't see any need for affirmative action anymore.
In fact, at this point some might say it's just another form of discrimination.
Now the President is black. I don't see any need for affirmative action anymore.
In fact, at this point some might say it's just another form of discrimination.
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yea, hooray. The prez is black, my lambo's blue, and racism is dead.
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im gonna assume that your post isnt to be taken seriously
one of the first things i commented on about Obama becoming president is the negative side effect of people getting a false sense that racism is no longer amajor issue in our country , or that AA is no longer needed
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Wait...aren't you a lawyer or something...and you seriously THINK THIS WAY...hot damn...
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If your post was sarcasm, then it's the best I've seen on this board and my apologies for the subliminals...
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yeah, when obama got elected, i said to myself
"wow, we're not 'there' yet, but we're alot closer than i thought we were...."
and it's the truth.
"the president is black, aa is not needed" is a joke of a statement...
i know, instead of letting AA rock till 2155, just repeal all white american's rights for "190" years, a la Jim Crow laws?
until those things happen, stop screaming "reverse racism!" and ignoring white privilege....
"he...he....he's muslim...and a terrorist..."
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no, he's a ridiculously caked doctor, who i doubt ever lived a "humble" lifestyle....Originally Posted by SuperAntigen
Wait...aren't you a lawyer or something...and you seriously THINK THIS WAY...hot damn...
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but yeah, he SERIOUSLY thinks that way....unfortunately.
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wouldn't that be somewhat fair?
Excellent point Dirty...
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Clearly rascism isn't dead, but if a black man can become President, why do we need affirmative action?
I'm Jewish. We may be the most persecuted people in the world. How come there is no affitrmative action for Jews? There are people that are rascisttoward Jews, right? The reason Jewish affirmative action doesn't exist is because Jews were not put in a position where they couldn't acheive in thiscountry. Black people were. That is a horrible thing so affirmative action was a way to solve it.
Now that black people can acheive (note: Even MORE than Jews since a Jewish person has never been President), why do we need affirmative action?
I'm Jewish. We may be the most persecuted people in the world. How come there is no affitrmative action for Jews? There are people that are rascisttoward Jews, right? The reason Jewish affirmative action doesn't exist is because Jews were not put in a position where they couldn't acheive in thiscountry. Black people were. That is a horrible thing so affirmative action was a way to solve it.
Now that black people can acheive (note: Even MORE than Jews since a Jewish person has never been President), why do we need affirmative action?
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