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In all fairness he's still playing and can very well reach 6 titles if not 7.Originally Posted by JumpmanFromDaBay
how did kobe win? MJ 6 titles > KB 4 Titles
i think MJ wins
Jordan vs Kobe game winners Vol. Complete list of GW Both have 25.
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Originally Posted by Krazyrodzilla
In all fairness he's still playing and can very well reach 6 titles if not 7.Originally Posted by JumpmanFromDaBay
how did kobe win? MJ 6 titles > KB 4 Titles
i think MJ wins
well i agree with you on that. as of now MJ wins
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yeah i remember around the time kob was about 3 GW's in ealier this season and analyst started to really breakdown how clutch he is or is not. and your right melo and james #'s were somewhat higher.
think about this though....melo, bron and kob were all on the USA team. When they were in danger of losing to spain who did they defer to? who saved their 4SS?
end of the day.... anyone who knows anything about ball knows if a team is down 2-3 pts with 9 seconds or less on the clock. give the ball to kob. not bron not melo but kob. lets not front
"just another average joe in the end"? do you REALLY believe that?......... i mean REALLY?
anyone on the team can save the team.. it's just that kobe didn't get to chance to shine during the games..mainly b/c hes not as efficient as lbj and wade....but.he's the oldest sg out there.. so lbj and wade just let him shine at the end...to give him some respect.
you really don't think that lbj nor wade can take over these weak international ballers? seriously? LOL. let's leave it at this.
You must have forgot LeBron, Melo, and Wade took Bronze in 04...but yeah, let's leave it at this....
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Like I have stated in one of these Kobe/Jordan posts that pop up frequently....Kobe games right now is at Jordan's level. Only Jordan did it longer while Kobe reached it a few seasons back. Thats why Jordan is the greatest... he was Jordan his whole career. Jordan came out the gate an elite player. That didnt mean he was successful and was a championship contender but Jordan from his rookie year to 1998 was the best shooting guard in the NBA.
In terms of skills I would say that Kobe is the more skilled and polished player due to the fact that he had to be. He didnt have Jordan's hands or athletic ability. If you seen Kobe from his rookie season till now you will see that he went from overthinking and forcing Jordan-esque moves when they were not needed...then playing the facilitator on a successful 3peat team while only taking over games when needed...to prematurely toning down his game to play like the 1996-98 Jordan and now playing like a more athletic & quicker hybrid Wizard-Jordan/Larry Bird relying on footwork and spacing the floor to be a dominating scorer. And that requires Kobe to put in all this work and effort just stay at that Jordan-esque level which can only last a few more seasons.
As for the Game Winner debate and how one shot is harder then the other...
Both player have/had the knack for being able to step up to the challenge and I dont see how one shot would be harder then the other. Maybe length of shot or difficulty or single coverage vs. double teams but I really thinks its all petty stuff to sway either side.
In terms of skills I would say that Kobe is the more skilled and polished player due to the fact that he had to be. He didnt have Jordan's hands or athletic ability. If you seen Kobe from his rookie season till now you will see that he went from overthinking and forcing Jordan-esque moves when they were not needed...then playing the facilitator on a successful 3peat team while only taking over games when needed...to prematurely toning down his game to play like the 1996-98 Jordan and now playing like a more athletic & quicker hybrid Wizard-Jordan/Larry Bird relying on footwork and spacing the floor to be a dominating scorer. And that requires Kobe to put in all this work and effort just stay at that Jordan-esque level which can only last a few more seasons.
As for the Game Winner debate and how one shot is harder then the other...
Both player have/had the knack for being able to step up to the challenge and I dont see how one shot would be harder then the other. Maybe length of shot or difficulty or single coverage vs. double teams but I really thinks its all petty stuff to sway either side.
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I never really thought about it like that but this explains the kobe/ Jordan thing in a nutshell
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LOL. How many finals MVP?
thanks to shaq.
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anyone on the team can save the team.. it's just that kobe didn't get to chance to shine during the games..mainly b/c hes not as efficient as lbj and wade....but.he's the oldest sg out there.. so lbj and wade just let him shine at the end...to give him some respect.
you really don't think that lbj nor wade can take over these weak international ballers? seriously? LOL. let's leave it at this.
You must have forgot LeBron, Melo, and Wade took Bronze in 04...but yeah, let's leave it at this....
who is this non-sense? lbj was 20 at the time...he didn't play much . ya'll act like he was the main focal of the team..well i can see how ya'll think that way despite being age of 20 lmao
oh yeah, kobe wasn't even good enough to be on team USA when he was 20...maybe ...ballboy???
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haha i hope that was because you liked my name....
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Your lack of bball knowledge is disgusting. Kobe takes and makes difficult/incredible shots against ANY TEAM. Not necessarily game winners but clutch shots and "incredible" shots. He did this during every lakers title run even when they lost in 2004 and 2008.
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Listen to these podcasts featuring HoopsEncyclopedia (Youtube legend).
Best debate and rationale I have heard regarding Kobe, LeBron, and Jordan.
http://bruceblitz.mypodca..._part_1_of_2-286864.html
http://bruceblitz.mypodca..._part_2_of_2-286868.html
(Warning: It's over 2 hours long. But it's well worth it, IMO. )
Best debate and rationale I have heard regarding Kobe, LeBron, and Jordan.
http://bruceblitz.mypodca..._part_1_of_2-286864.html
http://bruceblitz.mypodca..._part_2_of_2-286868.html
(Warning: It's over 2 hours long. But it's well worth it, IMO. )
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Well in all honesty that's truly the case. Nothing wrong with copying the GOAT, it just times for fans like you and others to admit it.
This guys is the 2nd hater of all time haha geez. Who the F are you judge anybody.
You're really showing your age aren't you. It's not hating when facts are being presented or when opinion are given with information to back up that claim, you dudes really got to learn the difference in life.
In all fairness he's still playing and can very well reach 6 titles if not 7.
It wouldn't matter if Kobe got 7 rings or 9, at the end of the day for his first 3 rings he wasn't even the Finals MVP, that alone should tell you something about how "great" supposidly Kobe is. For all 6 of MJ's championships he was the Finals MVP.
So its Kobe's fault that he had Shaq as his partner?
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Deuce King wrote:
Nothing wrong with copying the GOAT.
kobe wasnt copying magic
but nahh seriously people copy their idols...im pretty sure everyone copied mj...just like how mj copied dr. j or david thompson when he was growing up
but how you guys saying kobe had shaq yes he did the most dominant center...did you guys know mj had pip right?..i dont know how dope scottie was...dude was probably the most dominant small forward at the time...playing both ends of the court
at the end of the day this is becoming a player A vs. player B thread
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You're really showing your age aren't you. It's not hating when facts are being presented or when opinion are given with information to back up that claim, you dudes really got to learn the difference in life.
In all fairness he's still playing and can very well reach 6 titles if not 7.
It wouldn't matter if Kobe got 7 rings or 9, at the end of the day for his first 3 rings he wasn't even the Finals MVP, that alone should tell you something about how "great" supposidly Kobe is. For all 6 of MJ's championships he was the Finals MVP.
So its Kobe's fault that he had Shaq as his partner?
Nobody said it was Kobe's fault that Shaq was his partner, no need to try and twist or paint the picture other than the way it is. However, you also have to take into account that Kobe had Shaq for a good portion of his career, and Shaq is good reason as to why Kobe has 3 of the rings he has to begin with. Like I've been telling you dudes on here for the longest. When both Shaq and Kobe were on the Lakers, Shaq was Batman and Kobe was Robin, nothing wrong with that but don't make it seem like Kobe was the lead guy his entire career like Jordan was.
kobe wasnt copying magicNo doubt. Nevermind Kobe even being considered the GOAT, Kobe isn't even the greatest Laker of all-time.
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--I'm 30 years old. I was already a teen during Jordan's run in the 90's and that was legendary stuff. Kobe is the closest incarnation of MJ and people will only realize how great he was when he is gone.
--Like Mark Jackson said during last years Finals..the word great shouldnt be thrown around alot. But Kobe and MJ are great. Enough said.
--Lock?
--Like Mark Jackson said during last years Finals..the word great shouldnt be thrown around alot. But Kobe and MJ are great. Enough said.
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Originally Posted by Deuce King
kobe wasnt copying magic
jordan and pip are more superman and spiderman to me...IMO pips game was as defined as mike but never really got fanfare because he was in the shadows of mj...but youre right facts is facts
also magic will always be the GLOAT...if kobe passes him up rings wise and mvp wise then maybe kobe will be up there being that he is now the all-time scoring leader...but magic will always be my dude
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jordan and pip are more superman and spiderman to me...IMO pips game was as defined as mike but never really got fanfare because he was in the shadows of mj...but youre right facts is facts
I hear what your saying and all but in any group or team setting there is someone who is #1 and someone who is #2, in the movies there's a leading actor, and a supporting actor, there's a President and a Vice-President, get my point. At the end of the day no matter how anybody tries to word it in the baskeball world Jordan was always the #1.....Batman, and Pippen was the #2.......Robin. When Shaq and Kobe played for the Lakers, Shaq was the #1.....Batman, and Kobe was the #2.......Robin.
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Once again, Jordan was Batman and Pippen was Robin. Hence why Jordan is a 6-time Finals MVP with 6 championship rings and Kobe is a 1 time Finals MVP with 4 championship rings. Facts is facts.Originally Posted by westcoastsfinest
Originally Posted by Deuce King
kobe wasnt copying magicNo doubt. Nevermind Kobe even being considered the GOAT, Kobe isn't even the greatest Laker of all-time.
jordan and pip are more superman and spiderman to me...IMO pips game was as defined as mike but never really got fanfare because he was in the shadows of mj...but youre right facts is facts
also magic will always be the GLOAT...if kobe passes him up rings wise and mvp wise then maybe kobe will be up there being that he is now the all-time scoring leader...but magic will always be my dude
Yes he did. He pretty much had his change to disprove that in '94-'95 and he couldn't pull it all the way through.
So it IS safe to say he's Robin to Jordan's Batman ... just couldn't finish the job.
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On a controversial call though but I'm saying if MJ was there it wouldn't have gone to that point
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This list means as much as a list of Clyde Drexler's game winners compared to Reggie Miller's.
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I hear what your saying and all but in any group or team setting there is someone who is #1 and someone who is #2, in the movies there's a leading actor, and a supporting actor, there's a President and a Vice-President, get my point. At the end of the day no matter how anybody tries to word it in the baskeball world Jordan was always the #1.....Batman, and Pippen was the #2.......Robin. When Shaq and Kobe played for the Lakers, Shaq was the #1.....Batman, and Kobe was the #2.......Robin.
also magic will always be the GLOAT
I agree 100%
did you have to post the adam west and burt ward one?
here ill post this one cause like pip and jordan this show dominated in the 90s
i know where youre coming from with the kobe and shaq thing...but IMO kobe and shaq were more superman and batman...to the fact that kobe was the man they deferred to during the 4th quarter and phil didnt really play the triangle as much during the closing quarter in favor of kobe (game 7 against the blazers is the perfect example)...and of course he was the one with the ball in his hands during clutch situations whether it being a pass for a game winning assist or a game winning shot...pip never did that and robin never took on the joker alone
hack a shaq is similar to supermans kryponite...so therefore he was hard to defer during a close game and especially during playoff times...thats where kobe came in
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I don't know if Magic is the GLOAT. If I had all the Laker players ever in one room my first pick would go to Wilt. He averages the same amount of points as Jordan (30) nearly quadrupled his rebounding average and was one assist shy of his rebounding average. Granted, he was the biggest, best player out there for that era, his stats are remarkable.
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6 vs 2 in playoffs is all I needed to see. Not to mention 2 in the Finals for Mike.