Kanye West: King of the Sunken Place, "Watch the Throne"

[tomdiginson]

No

Find a new mechanic.

 

[tr1ll]

Carrying on. More people pretending to be Jewish for financial gain, but according to people, there is no such thing, it’s a conspiracy theory, flimsy argument and straw man, tin man etc.

17 charged in $42 million Holocaust fraud case​

Federal prosecutors say they've broken up a $42 million scam in which people falsely claimed to be victims of the Nazi persecution to get money out of a reparations fund.

17 charged in $42 million Holocaust fraud case

Federal prosecutors say they've broken up a $42 million scam in which people falsely claimed to be victims of the Nazi persecution to get money out of a reparations fund.

www.nbcnews.com

I think you’re confusing oranges with tangerines, bruh.

 

[tomdiginson]

I think you’re confusing oranges with tangerines, bruh.

I said this on 11/8 and was carrying on from where I left off. Maybe you’re the one confused ?

Play COY as if you don't understand. We're not talking about people lying to appear more attractive to their peers, I'm talking about people lying to take advantage of socio economic programs that are set aside for minority populations due to systematic racism. You're using your friend lying about being from France causes he's ashamed of being Congolese as a comparison when it’s two different things.

 

[tr1ll]

Nah fam they’re talking about people claiming to be the originators of a whole society and you’re talking about some fraud *** people who tried to make a quick buck.

 

[1995]

I don’t think the issue is y’all don’t understand. It’s more like y’all refuse to understand.

It's more like people understand that the "imposter Jews" thing is deeper than the sanitized version you're presenting

 

[RustyShackleford]

Find a new mechanic.

Good grief

I knew you were being sarcastic, so was I

 

[Belgium]

I don’t think the issue is y’all don’t understand. It’s more like y’all refuse to understand. There are societal and financial perks of claiming to be of certain ethnicities. There are people masquerading as such. I provided evidence you dismiss it and said it’s one off. I tell y’all to do your research, you scoff. Here is another example.

Of course some tap foots will tell me that there is no such thing as people pretending to be Jewish for monetary gain and that it is conspiracy theories.

Yet Another Writer Has Admitted Faking Her Holocaust Memoir​

The long, strange history of made-up Shoah stories​

Yet Another Writer Has Admitted Faking a Big Holocaust Memoir

There's a long, strange history of made up shoah diaries. Why do we repeatedly fall for them?

newrepublic.com

I don't recall anyone denying that activities like the examples you cited take place, certainly I haven't. It's a pretty blatant strawman argument to suggest otherwise.

 

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Senior leaders of the Anti-Defamation League (ADL), the US-based non-profit organization known for combatting antisemitism and tracking extremism, debated whether to end a controversial program that connects American law enforcement officers with police leaders and members of the military in Israel, a 2020 internal document reveals.

The ADL, which works closely with US police on trainings related to bias and hate crimes, has for years run a program that sends delegations from US law enforcement departments to Israel to “study first-hand Israel’s tactics and strategies to combat terrorism”. The trips have long faced criticism from US civil rights groups, who argue that the trainings could encourage US police to further militarize their forces and exacerbate police violence.

A draft memo obtained by the Guardian and Jewish Currents shows that amid the George Floyd protests in 2020, two ADL executives questioned whether the trips could make American officers “more likely to use force” and contribute to the “problem” of police brutality. They considered advocating for the termination of the program.

“In light of the very real police brutality at the hands of militarized police forces in the US, we must ask ourselves difficult questions, like whether we are contributing to the problem,” wrote George Selim, an ADL senior vice-president, and Greg Ehrie, VP for law enforcement and analysis, on 9 June in the draft memo. “We must ask ourselves why it is necessary for American police, enforcing American laws, would need to [sic] meet with members of the Israeli military. We must ask ourselves if, upon returning home, those we train are more likely to use force. We hope that that is not accurate.”

Since 2004, the ADL has taken 500 to 600 police officers and partners to Israel for “educational and training purposes”, the document said. The VPs said the trips had “built bonds” among police but were “of questionable programmatic value”. They said the program could lead to “lost donor revenue” and could cost the ADL upward of $200,000 a year in staff time, including resources to “defend the trips from controversy”. The draft memo further said it was unclear whether the trainings helped encourage police combat antisemitism.

The draft document said termination of the program was the “best approach” since it would “eliminate a program with limited impact and high controversy”.

Asked about the document this week, Selim said the memo was an “early draft” written before the ADL had made a final assessment.

Selim said he and Ehrie had conducted a “thorough assessment of the program” after writing the draft memo, and that their final recommendation was “to continue the program with updated curriculum and content in order to increase the value and impact of this type of law enforcement engagement”. The draft was addressed to the ADL CEO, Jonathan Greenblatt, but Selim declined to say whether the CEO had received it or how widely it was circulated.

Selim added that the trips were “paused” due to the pandemic but suggested they could restart: “We remain committed to law enforcement engagement and professional development nationally and internationally and are likely to expand our educational law enforcement programs.”

George Floyd’s murder had prompted the ADL to “ask ourselves tough and probing questions”, Selim said, adding that his review had concluded that the criticisms of the exchange were false: “ADL is proud of its decades of work with law enforcement and believes strongly that those relationships are crucial in helping protect all people from hate crimes and hate-motivated violence. As we said in the memo, the Law Enforcement Leadership Seminars have led to stronger relationships with law enforcement that have directly helped ADL with the investigation of hate crimes and protecting local communities.”



Bill Ayub, sheriff of Ventura county in California, who went to Israel for an ADL training in 2017, said he had been impressed by the “Hollywood-esque” surveillance systems of Israeli law enforcement, which he said were more invasive than those used by US law enforcement but “allowed them to have a really good handle on problems brewing and to track known dissidents or known criminals”.

“The Israelis are very innovative, out of necessity, with technology and measures for providing security and detecting threatening behavior and criminal behavior,” he said.

Ayub also said he had been shocked to learn how Israeli officers used force during arrests: “We’d be in jail if we did something like that here,” he said.

Stefanie Fox, executive director of Jewish Voice for Peace, an organization that advocates for Palestinian rights, said that the memo showed how public pressure had forced the ADL to “finally admit the contradiction between their long support for law enforcement and their public claim of working for civil rights”, but that she was disappointed the organization seemed to be doubling down on the program: “This should be a dividing line for progressives.”

Spoiler

“Two years have passed since George Floyd was murdered by Minneapolis police officers. Two years have passed and so much still needs to be done.

True justice means addressing and dismantling anti-Black racism and white supremacy. It requires systemic and transformational change to the structures that so often denigrate, disproportionately harm, and devalue Black lives and other marginalized communities. That still hasn’t happened.

Despite these roadblocks, ADL will continue to advocate for provisions in the George Floyd Justice in Policing Act and other public safety proposals currently under consideration at the federal, state and local levels. We recommit to working alongside our partners and communities to dismantle the roadblocks that are impeding the progress needed to transform community safety. Black lives matter, and we must all work to make that a reality.

We recommit ourselves to that fight today, in honor of George Floyd’s memory.”

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[gry60]

I don’t think the issue is y’all don’t understand. It’s more like y’all refuse to understand. There are societal and financial perks of claiming to be of certain ethnicities. There are people masquerading as such.

I do understand that what you're saying is the equivalent of saying that all light-skinned people claiming to be black must be treated with suspicion because of Rachel Dolezal. You'd have to prove that the majority of such people are frauds, and anecdotes are not enough. Genealogical, archeological, sociological studies would be needed to support your assertion.

What you DON'T understand is, claiming ties to an identity is not enough; you have to prove it either by showing proof of birth or by showing that you have passed the proper ritual that confers you the right to that claim (e.g citizenship).

I mean, take a step back and reevaluate your position: if we must accept that Kyrie's claim is sufficient to prove his Jewish/Hebrew status, why do we not accept Rachel's claim to prove her blackness?

The reasoning is inconsistent.

 

[tomdiginson]

Nah fam they’re talking about people claiming to be the originators of a whole society and you’re talking about some fraud *** people who tried to make a quick buck.

Not all of them believe that there are the sole original, however, there are those who believe they are one of the tribes. Y'all lumping everyone into the same basket. Maybe yall need to do some research before y'all start commentating.

On top of it one of the cats specifically told me that it isn't widespread where the article I provided shows a valid list. I also referenced the ticky tockers and the dating site articles and suddenly none is considered as evidence. If none of those is considered widespread then maybe we have different definitions of the word. Impersonation is Impersonation, whether you use it for financial gain, for your love life, to impress strangers or to infiltrate a community.

Now, you're the one saying white people impersonating Jews is widespread. All I'm asking for is concrete proof.

 

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[DCAllAfrican]

Belgium You keep calling black people "colored." I assume it is a language thing.

 

[gry60]

. If none of those is considered widespread then maybe we have different definitions of the word.

Widespread:

found or distributed over a large area or number of people.
"there was widespread support for the war"
synonyms: general, extensive, universal, common, global, worldwide, international, omnipresent, ubiquitous, wholesale, all-embracing, all-inclusive, all-around, across the board, far-reaching, predominant, prevalent, rife, broad, blanket, sweeping, rampant, catholic, inescapable, pervading, pervasive, permeating, epidemic, preponderate

A list with dozens of names for a population in the tens of millions is not widespread.

 

[Arthur Shelby]

 

[moonman818]

So is he tryna hide herpes or cuts and burns from smoking meth with that beard

 

[Belgium]

Belgium You keep calling black people "colored." I assume it is a language thing.

Is "people of color" not the correct expression to refer to the general population of non-white people?

 

[RustyShackleford]

I'm I missing something, or is DC just trolling again?

 

[edshoecator]

I'm I missing something, or is DC just trolling again?

You’re missing a lot. You’re the butt of the joke

 

[OGponson]

Is he insinuating he did all this on purpose to get out of the deal? He tripped out

 

[computersputin]

Is he insinuating he did all this on purpose to get out of the deal? He tripped out

 

[tr1ll]

I mean…he could’ve just worn a pair of Nikes, aight….

 

[IATT]

 

[stuntman mike]

if he showed vids of his wife to some other dudes, the backlash gonna be big.

 

[RustyShackleford]

You’re missing a lot. You’re the butt of the joke

k

 

[Brownstone]

Bro, I love Ye but he looks terrible here. Like he hasn't slept in days. Hope he bounces back.