Kids as Young as 4 Find Safe Space at Transgender Day Camp

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EL CERRITO, Calif. — In some ways, Rainbow Day Camp is very ordinary. Kids arrive with a packed lunch, make friendship bracelets, play basketball, sing songs and get silly. But it is also extraordinarily unique, from the moment campers arrive each morning.

At check-in each day, campers make a nametag with their pronoun of choice. Some opt for "she" or "he." Or a combination of "she/he." Or "they," or no pronoun at all. Some change their name or pronouns daily, to see what feels right.


In this Tuesday, July 11, 2017 photo, campers and camp counselors dance at the Bay Area Rainbow Day Camp in El Cerrito, Calif. Jeff Chiu / AP
The camp in the San Francisco Bay Area city of El Cerrito caters to transgender and "gender fluid" children, ages 4 to 12, making it one of the only camps of its kind in the world open to preschoolers, experts say. Enrollment has tripled to about 60 young campers since it opened three summers ago, with kids coming from as far as Los Angeles, Washington, D.C. -- even Africa. Plans are underway to open a branch next summer in Colorado, and the camp has been contacted by parents and organizations in Atlanta, Seattle, Louisiana and elsewhere interested in setting up similar programs.

On a sunny July morning at camp, the theme was "Crazy Hair Day," and 6-year-old Gracie Maxwell was dancing in the sunshine as a Miley Cyrus song blasted from outdoor speakers. The freckled, blue-eyed blonde wore her hair in a braid on one side, a pigtail on the other and snacked on cereal as she twirled and skipped.

"Once she could talk, I don't remember a time when she didn't say, 'I'm a girl,'" said her mother, Molly Maxwell, who still trips over pronouns but tries to stick to "she."

"Then it grew in intensity: 'I'm a sister. I'm a daughter. I'm a princess,'" Maxwell said. "We would argue with her. She was confused. We were confused."


In this Tuesday, July 11, 2017 photo, campers Gracie, left, leans toward Nugget during an activity at the Bay Area Rainbow Day Camp in El Cerrito, Calif. Jeff Chiu / AP
Living in the liberal-minded Bay Area made it easier. The Maxwells found a transgender play group, sought specialists, and at 4 years old, let Gracie grow her hair, dress as a girl and eventually change her name.

"I see her now, compared to before. I watch her strut around and dance and sing and the way she talks about herself. If she was forced to be someone else," the mother trails off. "I don't even want to think about that."

Gender specialists say the camp's growth reflects what they are seeing in gender clinics nationwide: increasing numbers of children coming out as transgender at young ages. They credit the rise to greater openness and awareness of LGBTQ issues and parents tuning in earlier when a child shows signs of gender dysphoria, or distress about their gender.

"A decade ago, this camp wouldn't have existed. Eventually, I do believe, it won't be so innovative," camp founder Sandra Collins said. "I didn't know you could be transgender at a very young age. But my daughter knew for sure at 2."


In this Wednesday, July 12, 2017 photo, Sandra Collins, executive director and founder of enGender, reads a book to campers at the Bay Area Rainbow Day Camp in El Cerrito, Calif. Jeff Chiu / AP
Collins' experience as the mother of a transgender girl, now 9, inspired her to start the camp, and another for 13- to 17-year-olds called Camp Kickin' It.

"A lot of these kids have been bullied and had trauma at school. This is a world where none of that exists, and they're in the majority," Collins said. "That's a new experience for kids who are used to hiding and feeling small."

Fourth grader Scarlett Reinhold, Collins' daughter who was assigned male at birth, says at camp she can be herself. "I feel comfortable for being who I am and who I want to be," says Scarlett, a confident 9-year-old in a frilly skirt who wears her dark hair long and wavy.

There is little comprehensive data on young children who identify as transgender, but experts say as the number of young people coming to their clinics increases, the prevailing medical guidance has shifted.

The favored protocol today is known as the "gender affirmative" approach, which focuses on identifying and helping transgender children to "socially transition" -- to live as the gender they identify with rather than the one they were born with until they're old enough to decide on medical options like puberty blockers and later, hormone treatments.

Related: Researchers Explore the Science of Gender Identity

The Center for Transyouth Health and Development at Children's Hospital in Los Angeles, started a decade ago with about 40 patients, now has over 900 people, ages 3 to 25, enrolled in its program, with 150 on its waiting list, said Johanna Olson-Kennedy, the clinic's medical director.

"I just think there's a lot more openness to the understanding that trans adults start as trans kids," Olson-Kennedy said. "When people say, 'Isn't this too young?' my question back to them is, 'Too young for what? How young do people know their gender?' The answer to that is some people know it at 3, and some people know it at 30."

Diane Ehrensaft, director of mental health at the University of California, San Francisco's Child and Adolescent Gender Center, says enrollment there has tripled over the past few years with a "sea change - maybe we can even call it a tsunami - in the number of little kids showing up with their families."

She fields a growing number of calls from families overseas, including South Africa, Ethiopia, Hong Kong, Belgium, England and other countries that lack resources.

Studies show transgender adults have higher rates of suicide and depression than the general population. A 2016 study by the University of Washington's TransYouth Project, published in the journal Pediatrics, found trans children who live as their preferred gender and are supported by their parents have the same mental health outcomes as other kids their age.

At Rainbow Day Camp, a therapist is on hand to talk if kids want. Therapy sessions are extended to parents at a support group after morning drop-off. Many counselors are transgender, which offers campers upbeat role models.


In this Tuesday, July 11, 2017 photo, camp instructor Kris Gambardella watches as camper Wilson shoots baskets at the Bay Area Rainbow Day Camp in El Cerrito, Calif. Jeff Chiu / AP
"I want to show these kids what a confident, happy, successful trans person looks like," said camp director Andrew Kramer, 30, who goes by AK and came out as a transgender man at 26. "We teach them they are normal, deserving of love, and not alone."

One family traveled from Africa to enroll their son in the camp for its full three-week summer session. The 9-year-old goes by the name Nao at Rainbow but has not publicly come out as a transgender girl. The family asked that their last name and the country where they live be kept confidential, fearing repercussions there.

Nao's mother, Miriam, said she watched her child blossom at camp. Nao was happier and less prone to outbursts, made friends, opened up about school bullying, and wants to return next summer.

"I think for the first time, (Nao) feels like just a normal kid," Miriam said.

Before flying home, she said, Nao wrote a note to the camp's counselors. It read: "Thank you, for making me feel so happy."

Excerpt for those too lazy to read the entire thing.

The camp in the San Francisco Bay Area city of El Cerrito caters to transgender and "gender fluid" children, ages 4 to 12, making it one of the only camps of its kind in the world open to preschoolers, experts say. Enrollment has tripled to about 60 young campers since it opened three summers ago, with kids coming from as far as Los Angeles, Washington, D.C. -- even Africa. Plans are underway to open a branch next summer in Colorado, and the camp has been contacted by parents and organizations in Atlanta, Seattle, Louisiana and elsewhere interested in setting up similar programs.

On a sunny July morning at camp, the theme was "Crazy Hair Day," and 6-year-old Gracie Maxwell was dancing in the sunshine as a Miley Cyrus song blasted from outdoor speakers. The freckled, blue-eyed blonde wore her hair in a braid on one side, a pigtail on the other and snacked on cereal as she twirled and skipped.

"Once she could talk, I don't remember a time when she didn't say, 'I'm a girl,'" said her mother, Molly Maxwell, who still trips over pronouns but tries to stick to "she."

"Then it grew in intensity: 'I'm a sister. I'm a daughter. I'm a princess,'" Maxwell said. "We would argue with her. She was confused. We were confused."
Living in the liberal-minded Bay Area made it easier. The Maxwells found a transgender play group, sought specialists, and at 4 years old, let Gracie grow her hair, dress as a girl and eventually change her name.

"I see her now, compared to before. I watch her strut around and dance and sing and the way she talks about herself. If she was forced to be someone else," the mother trails off. "I don't even want to think about that."

Gender specialists say the camp's growth reflects what they are seeing in gender clinics nationwide: increasing numbers of children coming out as transgender at young ages. They credit the rise to greater openness and awareness of LGBTQ issues and parents tuning in earlier when a child shows signs of gender dysphoria, or distress about their gender.

http://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-out/kids-young-4-find-safe-space-transgender-day-camp-n790221

Thoughts?

Personally, I'm for equal rights in the LGBT community, but this feels more like naive liberal parents trying to prove a point with their "open-mindedness and inclusivity". The kids should be allow to grow on their own. You're probably confusing them even more by asking them on the daily to "pick a pronoun". Kids have no concept of gender or gender roles. Let them fall into wherever they fit in. Don't shove gender fluidity propaganda down their necks at 2 years old.
 
let kids be kids

as i said in the other thread where dude had his son in stockings and **** as harley quinn...what happens when they get to high school or college and their boys are roasting the **** out of them for this type of stuff or it ends up on their IG timeline or they cant get a girl bc theyre seen as zesty

4 year olds tho? lol

what are signs of gender dysphoria at 4 years old...
 
I'm all for trans/gay/whatever rights

Do kids who haven't gone through puberty know their sex though?

Serious question
 
I dont get it...

How does a child at 4 or 5yrs old wanna be trans or gender fluid (whatever that means)? When i was that age i was tryna watch TMNT, Power Rangers and have pizza and candy for dinner every night.

Same. Cartoons and happy meal toys were my primary concern :lol:
All this **** was too complicated for me at 4.
Transgender and gay I aint know nothing bout any of that.
Different times tho fam. This is only gonna become more normal as we get older.
 
Y'all dudes didn't know you were dudes at 5 years old?

Similarly, you didn't have crush's on girls in your class in early elementary school?

I was out here mackin in 2nd grade :pimp:
 
Even if my child
Is transgender or gay, they will need to intermingle with others that aren't like them. I won't be comfortable with my child getting sexualized by another at one of those camps at 4 yr old.
 
Same. Cartoons and happy meal toys were my primary concern :lol:
All this **** was too complicated for me at 4.
Transgender and gay I aint know nothing bout any of that.
Different times tho fam. This is only gonna become more normal as we get older.

:lol: my pops told me a story once i was like 4 and we get into the elevator in our building and these 2 gay dudes are in there and start kissing. I point at em and go "ewwwwww". One of em starts yelling at me...mind you im only 4yrs old. My pops snaps on him like you yelling at my kid? Are you ****ed? Hes right hes only 4 but hes right that **** is ew take it to your house.


:lol: they were shook of my pops after


Y'all dudes didn't know you were dudes at 5 years old?

Similarly, you didn't have crush's on girls in your class in early elementary school?

I was out here mackin in 2nd grade :pimp:

Of course. I been flirtin with the older women since young. Pops told me another story i was prob 5 or so. He took me downtown to visit my uncle (his younger brother) at university. We end up walking to mcdonalds (shoutout happy meals) and we at a red light waiting to cross and this lady comes next to us and she was jogging on the spot waiting for the light to turn green. Pops told me i start jogging on the spot like her and when the light turned green and she took off i was like "dad shes getting away let's catch her!"

I been about women, happy meals and cartoons since young :pimp:
 
I don't believe kids at that age have any understanding of the very complex matter of gender dysphoria and the broader topic of gender identity. I don't see a point in this camp and certainly don't think it's necessary whatsoever but on the other hand I don't think it does any real harm either if they're just letting the kids be themselves. It's just strange and unnecessary imo.
I have worked and had conversations with a number of gay individuals who have said they felt attracted to the opposite sex at those kind of ages, in the same way us heterosexual men started feeling a sense of attraction to girls. However they didn't really understand their attraction at the time and wondered why others weren't the same. Most of those interactions were with older coworkers during my nursing internships, so at the end of the day these are just anecdotes but it seems to be a very common experience for them. I do believe that kids can tell at an early age that who they're attracted to is different from others, whether they know and can identify that as being gay is another thing.

But I don't think a child of that age can even begin to grasp an extremely complex matter such as gender dysphoria and the general topic of gender identity. That's something entirely different and much more complex than sexuality. Perhaps the kid just has an odd taste, maybe the kid is confused about something, ... maybe they really do feel some sense of a disconnect with their gender but the kid could be entirely different when hitting puberty.
 
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I consider myself to be very liberal, but this is doing too damn much :lol: I agree with OP; let kids figure it out on their own

My good friend to this day used to watch Sailor Moon as a kid. If he had these types of parents, they'd probably throw him into transgender camp and confuse the hell out of him :rofl:
 
How do the parents know? At that age aren't kids just kids? Sounds like possible therapy sessions later in life.

"Show me on the chart how your parents dressed you"

"They put a skirt on me, I never felt like I was a woman ever. They wanted me to be one though."
 
The camp in the article acts as a retreat for the kids since many of them are bullied at school. It is not intended to be a treatment camp. I see nothing wrong here.
 
I def had a girl that I liked in pre-school (she aint like me doh. she liked my boy, this lil pretty ricky looking dude with curls like Ginuwine :lol:). So I had to be like 4. I definitely already had an identity and knew who i was and what I was. My best friend was a girl. She liked me, but I liked the other one. Even gave her my ring :frown:. The SIMPle Life. :rofl:


I say all that to say, who knows what these children are going through, what they feel and think. If it makes them happy, even for a couple weeks, I'm not hating. It's hard enough as it is being a kid and learning about yourself and the world around you and your place in it. The last person I'm pointing a finger at is the child. While I do believe a lot of what happens is an act of nurture and not necessarily nature, I also understand that you dont want to box the creativity of a child either. They may not relate to being the opposite sex. Maybe they just like dressing different. Maybe its a phase. But you want to try and avoid telling a child what they can and cannot doPart of nature is figuring stuff out for yourself.
 
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Y'all dudes didn't know you were dudes at 5 years old?

Similarly, you didn't have crush's on girls in your class in early elementary school?

I was out here mackin in 2nd grade :pimp:

second grade is 7 years old tho...this camp starts at 4 lol arent kids unable to really remember stuff until like age 5?

and transgender doesnt exclusively mean homosexual if thats what youre getting at lol

most kids only care about cartoons and kid stuff at that point so this entire situation seems like parents just trying too hard
 
second grade is 7 years old tho...this camp starts at 4 lol arent kids unable to really remember stuff until like age 5?

and transgender doesnt exclusively mean homosexual if thats what youre getting at lol

most kids only care about cartoons and kid stuff at that point so this entire situation seems like parents just trying too hard

Or parents thinking they can fix the situation they are in when they wanted a girl but had a boy and keep telling them they are a girl and dressing them so.
 
Y'all dudes didn't know you were dudes at 5 years old?

Similarly, you didn't have crush's on girls in your class in early elementary school?

I was out here mackin in 2nd grade :pimp:

exactly.i remember playing in all the white girls hair in kindergarten and on the playground dry humping under this great big oak tree we had......d1ck was hard as a cold fish stick
 
Some of y'all be lying. Yo not really looking at girls until 3rd grade. Before then, it aint nothing but cartoons, weird **** and eating candy an ****.
 
Some of y'all be lying. Yo not really looking at girls until 3rd grade. Before then, it aint nothing but cartoons, weird **** and eating candy an ****.

we have a late bloomer here

i mean, i dont think anybody meant sexually, but WE ABSOLUTELY did have girls we liked. It's human nature b. I like home girl at age 4. By age 5, kindergarten, I have 2 gf's. Brittany and Caitlin. Freeze knew bout them beckys early :smokin They knew about each other and it was gravy. When we had free time in class, I'd take one and we'd go in the area where we kept the puppet curtain and we's kiss lol. just pecks though, no tongue kissing or anything, we werent that advanced lol. No way you can say you didnt like girls b, unless you were late to the party or just ..different.
 
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