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[Nawzlew]

#teamlightskinned

 

[jumpmanfromdabay]

Steve Curry

 

[king milaac]

Saw some kid do his own personal take on the "Splash Brothers" T shirts that Warriors have been selling for Klay and Steph. I think it said "Beige Brothers" or something. 

 

 

[offbad]

any real explanation as to why bogut hasn't been getting many shots?

 

[Nawzlew]

Well, last night Klay took 26

I mean you have him, Curry, Jack, and Barnes all taking shots.

 

[dont be a menace]

any real explanation as to why bogut hasn't been getting many shots?

The offense hasn't really gone through Bogut since he's been back, they'll throw the ball to him and let him work the post a few times but that's about it. Only other buckets he gets are put backs or dishes near the paint. The plan this series is to pretty much exploit Tony Parker's matchup no matter who he's on since they feel like they can win that match up.

 

[eagle 0n]

I think Bucher mentioned it during a broadcast that Bogut still isn't comfortable creating his own shot in the post.

Still, I'd like to see the W's swing the ball to Bogut a bit more to see if he can facilitate some offense. He's a damn good passer.

 

[dland24]

[h2]Are the Warriors a better playoff team without David Lee? You see it, you know it, and here’s why it’s true[/h2]
Posted by Tim Kawakami on May 9th, 2013 at 3:38 pm

It’s quantifiable, it’s palpable and it’s only deniable if you view all things through the prism of David Lee’s All-Star reputation.

It’s a real thing, though: The Warriors are a more dangerous playoff team without Lee than they ever were when he was healthy.

OK, let me also point out that Lee was absolutely necessary during the regular season when Andrew Bogut was out or limited and the team’s younger players were playing young.

The Warriors don’t win 47 games without him, his work ethic, his ability to pile up double-digit rebounds and points (the much-publicized “double-double”) and his true vocal leadership.

But at this advanced stage of Warriors activity—tied 1-1 with the Spurs in the Western Conference semifinals—there just isn’t much doubt that Lee’s torn hip-flexor in Game 1 of the first round hasn’t hurt them.

It freed the Warriors to be more of who they truly should be, actually.

They’re faster, more flexible, more aggressive, tougher, more balanced, better on defense and now they’re built around a powerful three-piece axis:

Stephen Curry, Klay Thompson and Andrew Bogut, a straight line of influence, and just ask the San Antonio Spurs how imposing that is.

Before I get into the specific reasons, a few statistics on this issue:

* The Warriors are 5-2 in these playoffs when Lee plays less than 2 minutes in the playoffs, and 0-1 when he plays more than 2 minutes. (He had the short cameo in Game 6 against Denver.)

Small-sample size, yes, but the entire playoffs are small-sample sizes and that’s how you decide champions.

* Lee is credited for being their rebounding force and offensive maestro, yet mostly without him the Warriors are have the second-best field-goal percentage (behind Miami) and third-best rebound—percentage in this
postseason.

All this raises issues, of course, about the logic of keeping Lee into the future, but we’ll all deal with that once this playoff run is over.

As it stands, Lee is co-owner Joe Lacob’s hand-picked favorite, one of coach Mark Jackson’s untouchables, owed $44.4 million over the next three seasons, and beloved by much of the Warriors’ fan base.

He’ll be tough to trade, if ever the Warriors could bring themselves to try.

But here are five reasons the Warriors matched up better against Denver and are currently bedeviling the Spurs without their sole All-Star:

1. Double-doubles just aren’t as valuable as so many Warriors fans—and Warriors officials—think they are.

Lee led the league with 56 of them this season. And that meant… what?

Bogut has only two double-doubles in eight playoff games and do you think he hasn’t been valuable enough?

Value is about two-way team efficiency, not individual stat categories, and without Lee, the Warriors are operating at their highest level, on both offense and defense, possibly since the mid-1970s.

2. The Warriors’ defense is more athletic without Lee, who is a poor individual defender and a slow help defender.

Harrison Barnes and Draymond Green were far better suited to chase Denver’s quick forwards and those two plus Carl Landry match-up well with San Antonio’s assortment.

The new forward-rotation covers more ground, switches better and attacks opponent penetration much more nimbly.

3. Bogut is better and plays more freely without Lee. Now he owns the lane, period.

Bogut can deal with Tim Duncan one-on-one and the offense runs more smoothly when Bogut isn’t shunted over to the weak side to put Lee on the ball side.

4. The extra shots in Lee’s absence have gone to Thompson and Curry, and there is nothing wrong with that.

Think of Allen Iverson, Monta Ellis, Amare Stoudemire, Rudy Gay… high-volume shooters get stats that their teammates often can replicate at a more efficient rate with better ball movement.

Now, the Warriors are thoroughly a three-point shooting team–they’re very good at it; they can blow teams away with it; and they don’t need Lee for it.

5. Lee’s greatest value is as a pick-and-roll partner with Curry, but Curry has elevated has game so high that he now can play that game with anybody the Warriors choose.

Really, the Warriors have moved beyond a dependence on Lee, a good thing.

Before the playoffs started, they were 3-18 over the last three seasons when Lee wasn’t in the lineup.

But there were a lot of reasons for that, mainly that the Warriors weren’t very good for a very long time.  They’re better now, and they’re proving that they went about as far as they could go with Lee as a centerpiece.  He’s not a centerpiece now, and they haven’t come close to hitting their playoff ceiling yet.

A whole lot of truth in this.  Believe it if you want.

 

[mertonhanks]

Without doubt a better defensive team without Lee. Advanced stats had a breakdown earlier this season where Lee allowed the highest percentage of low post buckets made in the League :x

 

[offbad]

any real explanation as to why bogut hasn't been getting many shots?

The offense hasn't really gone through Bogut since he's been back, they'll throw the ball to him and let him work the post a few times but that's about it. Only other buckets he gets are put backs or dishes near the paint. The plan this series is to pretty much exploit Tony Parker's matchup no matter who he's on since they feel like they can win that match up.

i see. thanks bros. i've only been able to catch the games from halftime or later on so i never really got a feel as to what was goin on in the 1st half

 

[johnson1]

Honestly if Bogut is just catching down low dimes and lobs, defending the paint, blocking shots, and rebounding his butt off I have no problem and he makes a huge impact.

His offensive game is nowhere close to what it used to be, guy used to be able to make 15 foot jumpers with ease.

 

[downyboy]

Not sure how people can continue to read what Tim Kawakami puts out. Such a flawed column its hilarious and not worth a read or a response.

 

[Lyfes Gud]

I want to make one of those nba heads of steph curry in time for sunday's game. Any suggestions on where to go and maybe a range of how much I should expect to pay?

 

[jumpmanfromdabay]

Fathead makes 1

 

[Lyfes Gud]

I wanted to make my own of this pic

 

[nothingtol0se]

print it out at kinkos
then cut it out and put it on cardboard. done

 

[lightweight champion]

The one eyed gun slinging bandit

 

[yancancook90]

wish i could be at Oracle. should be an epic game!

 

[antidope]

[h2]Are the Warriors a better playoff team without David Lee? You see it, you know it, and here’s why it’s true[/h2]
Posted by Tim Kawakami on May 9th, 2013 at 3:38 pm

It’s quantifiable, it’s palpable and it’s only deniable if you view all things through the prism of David Lee’s All-Star reputation.

It’s a real thing, though: The Warriors are a more dangerous playoff team without Lee than they ever were when he was healthy.

OK, let me also point out that Lee was absolutely necessary during the regular season when Andrew Bogut was out or limited and the team’s younger players were playing young.

The Warriors don’t win 47 games without him, his work ethic, his ability to pile up double-digit rebounds and points (the much-publicized “double-double”) and his true vocal leadership.

But at this advanced stage of Warriors activity—tied 1-1 with the Spurs in the Western Conference semifinals—there just isn’t much doubt that Lee’s torn hip-flexor in Game 1 of the first round hasn’t hurt them.

It freed the Warriors to be more of who they truly should be, actually.

They’re faster, more flexible, more aggressive, tougher, more balanced, better on defense and now they’re built around a powerful three-piece axis:

Stephen Curry, Klay Thompson and Andrew Bogut, a straight line of influence, and just ask the San Antonio Spurs how imposing that is.

Before I get into the specific reasons, a few statistics on this issue:

* The Warriors are 5-2 in these playoffs when Lee plays less than 2 minutes in the playoffs, and 0-1 when he plays more than 2 minutes. (He had the short cameo in Game 6 against Denver.)

Small-sample size, yes, but the entire playoffs are small-sample sizes and that’s how you decide champions.

* Lee is credited for being their rebounding force and offensive maestro, yet mostly without him the Warriors are have the second-best field-goal percentage (behind Miami) and third-best rebound—percentage in this
postseason.

All this raises issues, of course, about the logic of keeping Lee into the future, but we’ll all deal with that once this playoff run is over.

As it stands, Lee is co-owner Joe Lacob’s hand-picked favorite, one of coach Mark Jackson’s untouchables, owed $44.4 million over the next three seasons, and beloved by much of the Warriors’ fan base.

He’ll be tough to trade, if ever the Warriors could bring themselves to try.

But here are five reasons the Warriors matched up better against Denver and are currently bedeviling the Spurs without their sole All-Star:

1. Double-doubles just aren’t as valuable as so many Warriors fans—and Warriors officials—think they are.

Lee led the league with 56 of them this season. And that meant… what?

Bogut has only two double-doubles in eight playoff games and do you think he hasn’t been valuable enough?

Value is about two-way team efficiency, not individual stat categories, and without Lee, the Warriors are operating at their highest level, on both offense and defense, possibly since the mid-1970s.

2. The Warriors’ defense is more athletic without Lee, who is a poor individual defender and a slow help defender.

Harrison Barnes and Draymond Green were far better suited to chase Denver’s quick forwards and those two plus Carl Landry match-up well with San Antonio’s assortment.

The new forward-rotation covers more ground, switches better and attacks opponent penetration much more nimbly.

3. Bogut is better and plays more freely without Lee. Now he owns the lane, period.

Bogut can deal with Tim Duncan one-on-one and the offense runs more smoothly when Bogut isn’t shunted over to the weak side to put Lee on the ball side.

4. The extra shots in Lee’s absence have gone to Thompson and Curry, and there is nothing wrong with that.

Think of Allen Iverson, Monta Ellis, Amare Stoudemire, Rudy Gay… high-volume shooters get stats that their teammates often can replicate at a more efficient rate with better ball movement.

Now, the Warriors are thoroughly a three-point shooting team–they’re very good at it; they can blow teams away with it; and they don’t need Lee for it.

5. Lee’s greatest value is as a pick-and-roll partner with Curry, but Curry has elevated has game so high that he now can play that game with anybody the Warriors choose.

Really, the Warriors have moved beyond a dependence on Lee, a good thing.

Before the playoffs started, they were 3-18 over the last three seasons when Lee wasn’t in the lineup.

But there were a lot of reasons for that, mainly that the Warriors weren’t very good for a very long time.  They’re better now, and they’re proving that they went about as far as they could go with Lee as a centerpiece.  He’s not a centerpiece now, and they haven’t come close to hitting their playoff ceiling yet.

A whole lot of truth in this.  Believe it if you want.

I agree with it, spoke on it a page back. With him out, they run everything almost entirely through the guards and its better because they are an uptempo team for the most part. I dont like how this is starting up the "Lee is a waste of money" wagon again though, the guys a great player. His play comes into question far too often, and its not like they can trade him and get comparable value for him after this playoffs. The fact that the Warriors are doing so well has significantly lowered his trade value. They just need to play through it when he comes back because unless youre going to trade him for a ripoff, hes on this team for a long time.

 

[thapointguy]

I thought Lee was an one time appearance.

 

[chris82790]

Haven't been able to get over the hump when getting the game tied or within a couple points.

 

[offbad]

dat ankle.

curry ded?

 

[luong1209]

Not sure why Jackson insists on having Curry playing after aggravating the ankle...

Terrible, terrible game. Hats off to the Spurs.

 

[chris82790]

Not sure why Jackson insists on having Curry playing after aggravating the ankle...

Terrible, terrible game. Hats off to the Spurs.

This right here. Curry was 100% useless after spraining his ankle and it was obvious.

 

[antidope]

Good game you guys. These games are so hard to watch for real, I'm nervous on every possession.