NT's NBA top 50 list

[ehh]

Originally Posted by kix4kix

Originally Posted by Joseph Camel Jr

Let's be real. Pippen should not be on that list.

did you watch the NBA the year mike was busy playing d3 baseball?

Scottie that year > Lebron this year.

Dudes are always wildly overrating Pippen's '94 season.

28/7/7 vs 22/9/5

Won MVP vs 3rd in MVP voting
Best regular season record vs 2nd in Central Div

 

[super t1ght]

Originally Posted by 651akathePaul

Originally Posted by Super T1ght


Please shut up with the Dirk talk...

Okay he is a top 10 player in todays game... There is NO way he deserves to be on this list. MAYBE when its all said and done but as of now, hell no

If Dirk is on there, so should T-Mac

Also - Pippen stays. KB, TD, KG, GP deserve to be added... LeBron isn't there yet, just like CP3, D12, Wade, Melo...

TMac isn't even in the same stratosphere as Dirk. Dirk still doesn't belong on that list though.

 

[westcoastsfinest]

kobe..duncan...kg...kidd and payton

why the hell would you not put kidd on there?...dude was a triple double waiting to happen in his prime

 

[super t1ght]

u right, add kidd as well
thats it, just those 5 players (kobe, duncan, payton, kidd, garnett)

 

[stylishstef89]

Originally Posted by ehh

Originally Posted by kix4kix

Originally Posted by Joseph Camel Jr

Let's be real. Pippen should not be on that list.

did you watch the NBA the year mike was busy playing d3 baseball?

Scottie that year > Lebron this year.

Dudes are always wildly overrating Pippen's '94 season.

28/7/7 vs 22/9/5

Won MVP vs 3rd in MVP voting
Best regular season record vs 2nd in Central Div

Wildly overrating? The Bulls just lost the best player in the league and only had a dropoff of 2 games. If anything that team and Scottie's lone season asthe 1st option is underrated.

 

[tylerdub]

I gotta think there is a spot on there for Scottie.

 

[651akathepaul]

Scottie can be called a great, that's probably fine by anyone, but the bottom line is he doesn't have as much lee-way on this list as other players.Meaning as the decades go by, and more and more greats enter the Top 50, leaves less of a chance that Scottie stays.

 

[eb4president]

Originally Posted by The Wizard

how you gonna say KG can't be on the list bc he's a "loser" when half the people on that list ain't win #*%% in their lives.

flawed logic FTL.

i wasnt talking championship rings. but more than half of those people on that list carried their teams to playoffs, 2nd round playoffs. KG had multipleseason where he failed to take his team to the playoffs. I am a fan of KG, he is a really good player I just dont want ppl to get caught up in the likeness ofa player in making him top 50 ( ie all star appearence), or dominating numbers on a weak team, ppl say numbers dont lie, but they actually do

 

[kix4kix]

Originally Posted by ehh

Originally Posted by kix4kix

Originally Posted by Joseph Camel Jr

Let's be real. Pippen should not be on that list.

did you watch the NBA the year mike was busy playing d3 baseball?

Scottie that year > Lebron this year.

Dudes are always wildly overrating Pippen's '94 season.

28/7/7 vs 22/9/5

Won MVP vs 3rd in MVP voting
Best regular season record vs 2nd in Central Div

Dude AVERAGED 3 steals a game. 3

 

[651akathepaul]

Originally Posted by EB4President

Originally Posted by The Wizard

how you gonna say KG can't be on the list bc he's a "loser" when half the people on that list ain't win #*%% in their lives.

flawed logic FTL.

i wasnt talking championship rings. but more than half of those people on that list carried their teams to playoffs, 2nd round playoffs. KG had multiple season where he failed to take his team to the playoffs. I am a fan of KG, he is a really good player I just dont want ppl to get caught up in the likeness of a player in making him top 50 ( ie all star appearence), or dominating numbers on a weak team, ppl say numbers dont lie, but they actually do

You're wrong on one and a half things.

First, he had multiple seasons not advancing out of the first round...It was never failing to make the playoffs.

Second, stats DON'T lie. They just don't tell the whole story.

And for good measure....You sound clueless. No offense. Many of those 50 were part of team with a few all-stars and future HOF'ers.

 

[eb4president]

Originally Posted by 651akathePaul

Originally Posted by EB4President

Originally Posted by The Wizard

how you gonna say KG can't be on the list bc he's a "loser" when half the people on that list ain't win #*%% in their lives.

flawed logic FTL.

i wasnt talking championship rings. but more than half of those people on that list carried their teams to playoffs, 2nd round playoffs. KG had multiple season where he failed to take his team to the playoffs. I am a fan of KG, he is a really good player I just dont want ppl to get caught up in the likeness of a player in making him top 50 ( ie all star appearence), or dominating numbers on a weak team, ppl say numbers dont lie, but they actually do

You're wrong on one and a half things.

First, he had multiple seasons not advancing out of the first round...It was never failing to make the playoffs.

Second, stats DON'T lie. They just don't tell the whole story.

And for good measure....You sound clueless. No offense. Many of those 50 were part of team with a few all-stars and future HOF'ers.

well i mentioned 2nd round playoffs, but i guess my wording was off

KG did have multiple seasons not making the playoffs tho.

And how am I clueless, all i said was not be so quick to throw KG on the list. Just like people throwing Lebron on the list. If KG is on then the Glove defgets on. If KG was to win a couple more rings then def he would be on, but his career im not so sure he's top 50, mind you i didnt see all them old headsplay.

and Jkidd will be on that list when his career is over, even at his age he still is producing with probably about 2 seasons left in him.

and do not throw on lebron, who knows what can happen, he really hasn't done much ( ROY (should have went to melo), finals appearence, reg season MVP) imoto be top 50 RIGHT NOW. I mean AI has done just as much.

 

[macncheese]

-macNcheeesee

46 out of 50...same thing man lol

 

[651akathepaul]

EB4 President - My bad bro. I may have been a little to harsh.

 

[kvsm23vs24]

yea get off with that Dirk *%%.

carried his team??? guy had scorers everywhere with all-star in Howard, and scorer in Terr, slasher in i forgot his name but that kid who went to Jersey,stack, and a firey coach with Avery who praised D.

Dirk aint all that on D. i mean he cool and all but he never carried the team. all you can say is carried them to first round exit as number one seed, givingup a 2-0 lead in the finals. another first round loss and then a second round loss. with twice have J-kidd.

i like him and he good but na.

back on topic yea Kobe and Tim for sure. KG dont like him but he good too. Kidd is consistent and took his team to the finals twice back to back against thegreatest teams of this decade so him too.

 

[pdoggy85]

Fellas, THIS man is the greatest international player EVER (thus far):

 

[truthgetsbusy]

These guys are in so far

1. Kobe
2. KG
3. Tim Duncan
4. Allen Iverson
5. Jason Kidd

and still up for debate are

Dominique Wilkins ( I say yeah)
Gary Payton ( I say yeah)

too early are...

Lebron
D-Wade
Dirk

 

[DownByLaw]

These threads only solidify how many people in S & T don't know *%+% about basketball

 

[kal ripped ken]

The hate for Dirk here is strong. He's better than Paul Pierce. He's been MVP, although PP has a title.

 

[darth dnzy]

Originally Posted by FIRST B0RN

These threads only solidify how many people in S & T don't know *%+% about basketball

^ if this is all you have to contribute to this thread then you must not know jack either dude.

 

[willinc]

Kobe, Duncan, Kidd, Iverson are a definite yes.

KG is borderline.

Too early for Lebron, Wade.

 

[eneyekayee]

I think people are getting confused (myself included) on what is the criteria for this list. If it was 50 greatest/most dominant basketball players of All-TimeWHILE THEY WERE IN THEIR PRIME, it would be a whole different issue. LeBron would easily be top 15 already IMO, and he hasn't even reached his prime. Whythe hell was Shaq already on the OG list back in '97?

...That is just a plain flaw, & makes arguing for who should be added/removed that muchharder. If it is for total career/longevity (which I believe it is SUPPOSED to be), than TD, KB, KG & J-Kidd need to be added. Dominique (out), GP (in)& A.I. (in) are on the fence (IMO). WAY to premature for LBJ & D-Wade (though I'm 99% positive they will eventually be there barring injury). ChrisPaul & D12 DEFINITELY have the potential to be added. I say the people arguing for Dirk, P2, Jesus & Reggie Miller etc. should quit wasting there time.

 

[truthgetsbusy]

Yeah the criteria is blurry. No real rules to this. I say longevity is a must tho.

I'm still on the fence about GP and possibly...maybe down the road Dirk. I loved Reggie but went back and looked at his stats. Wow I was disappointed Ithought he did more. Only 5 time all-star. He's top 10 clutch of all-time and top 10 shooters but that's where it stops. He did play for 18 years(which hurt his career avg) and got to the finals.

Now on the other hand this man got robbed and is on the new list

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CAREER AVERAGES
[/td] [/tr][tr][td][/td] [td][/td] [td][/td] [td][/td] [td][/td] [td][/td] [td][/td] [td][/td] [td]REBOUNDS PER GAME[/td] [td][/td] [/tr][tr][td]YEAR[/td] [td]TEAM[/td] [td]G[/td] [td]GS[/td] [td]MPG[/td] [td]FG%[/td] [td]3P%[/td] [td]FT%[/td] [td]OFF[/td] [td]DEF[/td] [td]RPG[/td] [td]APG[/td] [td]SPG[/td] [td]BPG[/td] [td]TO[/td] [td]PF[/td] [td]PPG[/td] [/tr][tr][td] 82-83[/td] [td]ATL[/td] [td]82[/td] [td]82[/td] [td]32.9[/td] [td].493[/td] [td].182[/td] [td].682[/td] [td]2.80[/td] [td]3.10[/td] [td]5.80[/td] [td]1.6[/td] [td]1.02[/td] [td].77[/td] [td]2.20[/td] [td]2.60[/td] [td]17.5[/td] [/tr][tr][td] 83-84[/td] [td]ATL[/td] [td]81[/td] [td]81[/td] [td]36.6[/td] [td].479[/td] [td].000[/td] [td].770[/td] [td]3.10[/td] [td]4.00[/td] [td]7.20[/td] [td]1.6[/td] [td]1.44[/td] [td]1.07[/td] [td]2.65[/td] [td]2.40[/td] [td]21.6[/td] [/tr][tr][td] 84-85[/td] [td]ATL[/td] [td]81[/td] [td]81[/td] [td]37.3[/td] [td].451[/td] [td].309[/td] [td].806[/td] [td]2.80[/td] [td]4.10[/td] [td]6.90[/td] [td]2.5[/td] [td]1.67[/td] [td].67[/td] [td]2.78[/td] [td]2.10[/td] [td]27.4[/td] [/tr][tr][td] 85-86[/td] [td]ATL[/td] [td]78[/td] [td]78[/td] [td]39.1[/td] [td].468[/td] [td].186[/td] [td].818[/td] [td]3.30[/td] [td]4.60[/td] [td]7.90[/td] [td]2.6[/td] [td]1.77[/td] [td].63[/td] [td]3.22[/td] [td]2.20[/td] [td]30.3[/td] [/tr][tr][td] 86-87[/td] [td]ATL[/td] [td]79[/td] [td]79[/td] [td]37.6[/td] [td].463[/td] [td].292[/td] [td].818[/td] [td]2.70[/td] [td]3.60[/td] [td]6.30[/td] [td]3.3[/td] [td]1.48[/td] [td].65[/td] [td]2.72[/td] [td]1.90[/td] [td]29.0[/td] [/tr][tr][td] 87-88[/td] [td]ATL[/td] [td]78[/td] [td]76[/td] [td]37.8[/td] [td].464[/td] [td].295[/td] [td].826[/td] [td]2.70[/td] [td]3.70[/td] [td]6.40[/td] [td]2.9[/td] [td]1.32[/td] [td].60[/td] [td]2.79[/td] [td]2.10[/td] [td]30.7[/td] [/tr][tr][td] 88-89[/td] [td]ATL[/td] [td]80[/td] [td]80[/td] [td]37.5[/td] [td].464[/td] [td].276[/td] [td].844[/td] [td]3.20[/td] [td]3.70[/td] [td]6.90[/td] [td]2.6[/td] [td]1.46[/td] [td].65[/td] [td]2.26[/td] [td]1.70[/td] [td]26.2[/td] [/tr][tr][td] 89-90[/td] [td]ATL[/td] [td]80[/td] [td]79[/td] [td]36.1[/td] [td].484[/td] [td].322[/td] [td].807[/td] [td]2.70[/td] [td]3.80[/td] [td]6.50[/td] [td]2.5[/td] [td]1.58[/td] [td].59[/td] [td]2.18[/td] [td]1.80[/td] [td]26.7[/td] [/tr][tr][td] 90-91[/td] [td]ATL[/td] [td]81[/td] [td]81[/td] [td]38.0[/td] [td].470[/td] [td].341[/td] [td].829[/td] [td]3.20[/td] [td]5.80[/td] [td]9.00[/td] [td]3.3[/td] [td]1.52[/td] [td].80[/td] [td]2.48[/td] [td]1.90[/td] [td]25.9[/td] [/tr][tr][td] 91-92[/td] [td]ATL[/td] [td]42[/td] [td]42[/td] [td]38.1[/td] [td].464[/td] [td].289[/td] [td].835[/td] [td]2.50[/td] [td]4.60[/td] [td]7.00[/td] [td]3.8[/td] [td]1.24[/td] [td].57[/td] [td]2.90[/td] [td]1.80[/td] [td]28.1[/td] [/tr][tr][td] 92-93[/td] [td]ATL[/td] [td]71[/td] [td]70[/td] [td]37.3[/td] [td].468[/td] [td].380[/td] [td].828[/td] [td]2.60[/td] [td]4.20[/td] [td]6.80[/td] [td]3.2[/td] [td].99[/td] [td].38[/td] [td]2.59[/td] [td]1.60[/td] [td]29.9[/td] [/tr][tr][td] 93-94[/td] [td]ATL[/td] [td]49[/td] [td]49[/td] [td]34.4[/td] [td].432[/td] [td].308[/td] [td].854[/td] [td]2.40[/td] [td]3.80[/td] [td]6.20[/td] [td]2.3[/td] [td]1.29[/td] [td].45[/td] [td]2.45[/td] [td]1.80[/td] [td]24.4[/td] [/tr][tr][td] 93-94[/td] [td]LAC[/td] [td]25[/td] [td]25[/td] [td]37.9[/td] [td].453[/td] [td].247[/td] [td].835[/td] [td]2.50[/td] [td]4.50[/td] [td]7.00[/td] [td]2.2[/td] [td]1.16[/td] [td].32[/td] [td]2.08[/td] [td]1.60[/td] [td]29.1[/td] [/tr][tr][td] 93-94[/td] [td]--[/td] [td]74[/td] [td]74[/td] [td]35.6[/td] [td].440[/td] [td].288[/td] [td].847[/td] [td]2.50[/td] [td]4.00[/td] [td]6.50[/td] [td]2.3[/td] [td]1.24[/td] [td].41[/td] [td]2.32[/td] [td]1.70[/td] [td]26.0[/td] [/tr][tr][td] 94-95[/td] [td]BOS[/td] [td]77[/td] [td]64[/td] [td]31.5[/td] [td].424[/td] [td].388[/td] [td].782[/td] [td]2.00[/td] [td]3.20[/td] [td]5.20[/td] [td]2.2[/td] [td].79[/td] [td].18[/td] [td]2.25[/td] [td]1.70[/td] [td]17.8[/td] [/tr][tr][td] 96-97[/td] [td]SAS[/td] [td]63[/td] [td]26[/td] [td]30.9[/td] [td].417[/td] [td].293[/td] [td].803[/td] [td]2.70[/td] [td]3.70[/td] [td]6.40[/td] [td]1.9[/td] [td].62[/td] [td].49[/td] [td]2.14[/td] [td]1.60[/td] [td]18.2[/td] [/tr][tr][td] 98-99[/td] [td]ORL[/td] [td]27[/td] [td]2[/td] [td]9.3[/td] [td].379[/td] [td].263[/td] [td].690[/td] [td]1.10[/td] [td]1.50[/td] [td]2.60[/td] [td].6[/td] [td].15[/td] [td].04[/td] [td].85[/td] [td].70[/td] [td]5.0[/td] [/tr][tr][td] Career[/td] [td][/td] [td]1,074[/td] [td]995[/td] [td]35.5[/td] [td].461[/td] [td].319[/td] [td].811[/td] [td]2.70[/td] [td]3.90[/td] [td]6.70[/td] [td]2.5[/td] [td]1.28[/td] [td].60[/td] [td]2.49[/td] [td]1.90[/td] [td]24.8[/td] [/tr][tr][td] Playoff[/td] [td][/td] [td]56[/td] [td]55[/td] [td]38.8[/td] [td].429[/td] [td].281[/td] [td].824[/td] [td]2.80[/td] [td]3.90[/td] [td]6.70[/td] [td]2.6[/td] [td]1.30[/td] [td].63[/td] [td]2.73[/td] [td]2.20[/td] [td]25.4[/td] [/tr][tr][td] All-Star[/td] [td][/td] [td]8[/td] [td]3[/td] [td]19.9[/td] [td].400[/td] [td].250[/td] [td].737[/td] [td]2.00[/td] [td]1.40[/td] [td]3.40[/td] [td]1.9[/td] [td].75[/td] [td].50[/td] [td]1.00[/td] [td]1.60[/td] [td]13.3[/td] [/tr][/table]

 

[trelvis tha thrilla]

Originally Posted by JapanAir21

Originally Posted by Bigmike23

Originally Posted by JapanAir21

Originally Posted by Bigmike23

Originally Posted by JapanAir21

AI off, all the rest still in.

Dirk, PP, or Dominique in.

AI out but dirk is in? HOW ABOUT NO

What in the hell does Iverson do other than shoot the ball?

.

You can make an argument that Dirk is a better passer than that ******.

because Dirk is so great at things other then scoring that he is better then AI?

Dirk is not a better passer then AI

Believe it or not, Dirk plays defense, something Iverson has never heard of in his life. It's a given that Dirk will be a good rebounder at his height, and if Dirk wanted to I'm sure he could put up just as much as AI did when had craptacular teams.

Dirk deserves to be on the list

/thread
[h2]Accomplishments/milestones[/h2]

• Became the first European, the first person who hasn't attended a U.S. high school or college, and the first Maverick to win the MVP award (2006-2007)
• Became the only player in NBA history to register 150 three-point field goals and 100 blocks in a season (he had 151 three-point field goals and 101 blocks in the 2000-01 NBA season)
• Became the tallest player (7 ft 0 in (2.13 m)) to register more than 1,000 three-pointers by surpassing the previous record of Clifford Robinson and Rashard Lewis, both 6 ft 10 in (2.08 m).
• Became the first player in Dallas Mavericks history to be named to an All-NBA team (2000-2001). He is the only Maverick, and European player in NBA history to be named to an All-NBA First Team (2004-05, 2005-06, 2006-2007, and 2008-09)
• Became the first player in NBA history who did not attend a United States high school or college to be on the All-NBA First Team (2004-2005)
• Became the first European player in NBA history to be a starter at the NBA All-Star Game (2006-2007)
• Became the third player in NBA history to lead the league in Win Shares for at least three consecutive seasons (2005-2007). The others are Michael Jordan and Kareem Abdul-Jabbar.
• Became the third player in NBA history (after Rick Barry and Larry Bird) to average 26-plus points while shooting 90% or better from the line (2005-06)
• Became the fifth player in NBA history to shoot better than 50% from the field (50.2), 40% from three-point range (41.6), and 90% from the line (90.4) (2006-07). The others are Larry Bird, Reggie Miller, Mark Price, Steve Nash and Jose Calderon. He and Bird are the only two of the six to average more than 20 points per game.
• Only one of five players in NBA history to average + 25ppg and + 10rpg in the NBA playoffs. The others are Elgin Baylor, Hakeem Olajuwon, Bob Petit and Shaquille O'Neal.
• Became the 105th player and the fourth European-born player in NBA history to surpass 15,000 career points on March 30, 2007 in a win over the New York Knicks.
• Became the second European player in NBA history, after Detlef Schrempf, to surpass 15,000 career points on March 30, 2007 in a win over the New York Knicks.
• Became the first European player in NBA history to accumulate over 2,000 career points in the playoffs.
• Became the only European player in NBA history to score 2,000 points in a season (2002-2003, 2004-2005, 2005-2006, and 2008-2009).
• Registered his first triple-double on February 6, 2008. tallying 29 points, 12 assists and 10 rebounds. (2007-08)
• Most career 40+ point games by a European player, 17 times (12 in regular season, five in playoffs)
• Most All-Star selections, and appearances by a European player, eight times (2002-2009)
• Most points in a playoff game by a European player, 50 points (June 1, 2006 vs. Phoenix Suns).
• Second most points in a single game by a European player, 53 points (December 2, 2004 vs. Houston Rockets) behind Tony Parker; 55 points

 

[truthgetsbusy]

90% of those "milestones" have "first europeanplayer" so what.....this list is about what you did compared to American players too. I don't see how he can get an automatic yes. Props on the MVPtho.

 

[eneyekayee]

^^ But the ONLY dudes arguing for Dirk are from Texas and/or are MAVS fans

. I just skimmed through that list above & over 1/2 of it is"European player to..."

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