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I agree with everything you just said. If we build that base we will be attacked again. The Saudis didn't want us in Saudi Arabia in 2000. TheIraqis don't want us there now, and they won't want us there in 10 years. We're so misguided to what the people of the region have gone through inrecent history that we make foolish decisions that cost us greatly later on. Sadly, with the construction of these bases, we're doing it again.Originally Posted by theconditioner
The region was made unstable due to the United States' presence. Ironically, according to a Pentagon report, 80% of Iraqis agreed that the key to national reconciliation was that we leave the country. It can't be more clear than that.Originally Posted by CallHimAR
Right, but the region is so unstable, and the Iraqi army is not well trained enough to fend for themselves. It's not rhetoric, it's just common sense. There are a number of things that America does not want to happen to Iraq. One of them is Iran gaining too much influence over their government. However, even if they do or don't it makes no difference. If Iraq does turn out to be a democratic state, they're still going to agree with the Arab sentiment in the region and sympathize with the numerous gripes that Arabs have with America. Just because we brought them democracy does not mean that they're going to agree with us on every policy, and quite frankly I hope that they don't.Originally Posted by theconditioner
This is what I hate about politics - especially American politics. People will stand up for someone not because they believe in their policy, but because that politician has emotional appeal, or because their ignorance in combination with polarization prevents them from taking a logical position.
Obama has been saying this for quite some time. It is no different from anything that has been going on before, only Obama words things correctly to maintain a good image. I mean, just look at what Obama said, and what he DIDN'T say - stuff was said that way on purpose, not surprisingly, because they wanted to conceal their real policy to the American people.
I have a suggestion. Lets listen to what the MAJORITY of Iraqis want in respect to an American troops presence - that is, that we get out of their country. Sure, there are logistical barriers to pulling out quickly, but leaving really does not seem to be our aim.
Stop with the rhetoric, Obama. Just like Bush, stop propagandizing America.
Overall, we are removing a large portion of the army, and I hope that after the response this plan received, we remove even more because we do need to train their troops, however we do not need 50,000 soldiers to stay and do this.
As far as the U.S. not wanting certain things to happen in Iraq: that is precisely why we shouldn't be there. We have unilaterally interfered with a sovereign nation, in violation of international law. If Iraq agrees with the region's anti-American sentiment, they're entitled to do so; they SHOULD be entitled to do so if they like.
And we're not going anywhere. It is nice to speculate and hypothesize that we're going to be leaving, but I wouldn't count on it, considering the money the United States has been allocating to build permanent bases in Iraq. In fact, some have even described a base we're building in Baghdad as a "city within a city."
We need to hold our leaders accountable for their actions. And so far, Obama's policy has not been unlike Bush's.