OFFICIAL NEW YORK KNICKS OFFSEASON THREAD: TRAINING CAMP

^^^I hope so yo, i went crazy when i saw Curry doing that.
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best thing to do while reading the Gr8's posts is to print the @#%$ out and take it while you're takin a @#%$. :lol:
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Once again, the haters. them hard. If anyone thinks this guy is a selfish ball hog who only cares about himself are that he is mentally insane or whatever should go themselves again, because they are blinded by the media. Dudes love to hate this guy, but Steph just keepsdoing his thing out there. While Renaldo ran our D tonight, Steph ran the offense. The whole offense was run through him, and he managed this game much like last game (after a poor outing in the opener) like a wizard. His shot has been on, hes been playing smart, hes hustling, he got cheap shoes, no one should be hating on this guy. There are far worse players/people than Marbury. As i said many times before, and as i have taken many heat for this past year, he will turn MANY heads this year, as long as he keeps doing his thing. Steph is the man, and i will back this guy up till my death.


Marbury has been doing his thing...very good points. Dude is playing like an All-Star. I knew Steph had it in him to play the way "everyone wants him to play".

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steph is that dude, yo.



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I LIKE AIR MAXES, balkman > ariza. hustle harder

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Glad i was in the building last night, was a good game. Balkman going to work on the D saved us. we was killin them with those Off. boards too. gg knicks.
 
got dudes writing theses in here

balkman was the difference maker last night, but it was good to see many of the starters with 20+ points, especially curry.

also, crawford's d in the fouth only let carmelo get like 10 points or something if i'm not mistaken
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^balkman was on melo the entire 4th....even thinking crawfords D could stop anyone is comical....glad we pulled this one out tho
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didn't get to see the game, but that bolded part is what i've been saying for a while. neither marbury nor crawford is a traditional point guard - each is best creating for himself then feeding the rest of the team when he draws the defense.


the part about randolph and curry is interesting though.. what do you guys think?


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The Knicks won their first big-time game of the young season, beating Denver 117-112 in New York on Tuesday. And the way they won was both interesting and meaningful.

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Overall, the Knicks were at their best when they used a few brush-screens and simply let their guards create. That meant Stephon Marbury (8-for-15, 21 points) and Jamal Crawford (8-for-19, 23 points) had license to do as they pleased. Quick-stepping drives, long-range bombs (Marbury was 2-for-3 and Crawford 3-for-5 from downtown) whatever and whenever. The ease with which these two blew past their erstwhile defenders earned them several layups, but also numerous opportunities to demonstrate their unselfishness Marbury had nine assists, Crawford had eight. This marks a meaningful improvement over last season when Starbury mostly looked for his own, and Crawford couldn't tell the difference between a good shot and a bad shot.
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^^the guards were not creating for themselves, they were just being aggressive. when they had the shot they took it but mostly looked down low. Thats how we should play not just to dump it down low to curry every play and have everyone else out of it. And Starbury can run the point nicely, if he hasnt shown you that yet you should watch the game more close. Stephs media rep is just as off as Randolphs media rep of being like Curry a gouy who can only score in the post and doesnt hustle or play D (although Curry di last game). We just gotta keep doing or thing out there, dont worry about anyone. If we move the ball on offfense and hustle on D we will be all good, and the haters will fade away.

nice article on Yahoo! about Zeke *****ing Karl (on the court) :pimp:
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NEW YORK Isiah Thomas clenched his fist and pumped it for a fleeting moment, the most maligned man in Madison Square Garden looking like he had been delivered a dose of vindication. In his own way, he had thrown everything back in George Karl's face and you knew, just knew, the Knicks coach would've loved to tell Karl to go bleep himself.

These days, Thomas doesn't dare indulge himself in such moments of hubris. He is muted, humbled and downright lucky to still have this job. Deep down, Thomas is dying for a chance to be his old, cocksure self, but that'll take time and it'll take these Knicks turning into his professional salvation.

There could've been no parting words on Tuesday night, because Karl was long gone when the buzzer sounded, leaving with one-tenth of a second left and the Knicks shooting free throws to punctuate a 119-112 victory over Denver.

Just a year ago, these Nuggets and Knicks had been co-conspirators in a night of sucker punches, suspensions and damaged public personas. Since the brawl, Thomas' New York life has been one public humiliation after another. Karl called Thomas "an @#%$" and "full of (expletive)" after his Nuggets lost Carmelo Anthony for 15 games, and Thomas never did respond.

Ever since, Thomas has been backpedaling as Knicks emperor, a tumultuous tenure that has turned him inward, even bitter. For so long the subject of the tabloid's back-page lampoons, this summer's sexual harassment trial worked him to the front of the papers. Since losing the case, he has still tried to sell himself as the victim, not the perpetrator.

Ultimately, there will be just one way to win New York over, and it has nothing to do with this clear campaign to remake his public image. Around here, victory is often confused with virtue, and Tuesday turned into one of those nights that could go a long way toward rehabilitating Thomas' tattered image. Let's be honest here: To some, it wasn't so much that Thomas was sexually harassing Anucha Browne Sanders, but that he was doing it while lording over such a bad basketball team.

Yes, this was an immense victory for the Knicks, a night when Thomas' vision met with some validation. His frontline of Eddy Curry (24 points) and Zach Randolph (22 points and 17 rebounds) destroyed the Nuggets in a frantic comeback from 15 points down. The first-round pick everyone laughed over on draft night two years ago, Renaldo Balkman, shut down Anthony in the final minutes. Stephon Marbury played the part of the wise, shrewd playmaker, instead of that of Captain Bizarro.

"With Zach, guys are having a tough time keeping up and trying to stop us without fouling us," Curry said. "It's definitely not an easy matchup coming in here anymore."

It wasn't just himself that Curry spoke about on these Knicks, when he said, "I'm trying to transform myself into a winner. I've been in the league for a long time and I've lost a lot of games. I want to see what the other side looks like."

Thomas has turned to Curry and Randolph as his saviors, and no one knows better than Thomas that he's racing the clock to save his job here. As usual, owner Jim Dolan sat slumped courtside, silent still on his president and coach's status since Browne Sanders beat the Knicks in court for an $11 million judgment. His contract extension of a year ago seems flimsy, and even in this backward Knicks world, it's hard to believe another lottery season could spare Thomas his job.

Most people were rolling their eyes when Thomas spent his post-practice time on Saturday at a news conference with Al Sharpton, a Thomas critic turned starry-eyed apologist. Sometimes, it's hard to tell if Thomas is trying to save this job, or restore his reputation for the next one. Of course, where would he ever go from here? Rest assured he'll never again have the power and prestige that comes with running a franchise like the Knicks. Between the trial and his track record, he's radioactive.

Most league executives that you speak with are always waiting for Thomas to be fired, and want to discuss the possible replacements at the Garden. Several believe that the Knicks could be the challenge that intrigues ex-Suns owner Jerry Colangelo, and that perhaps, with David Stern's urging, he could be talked into taking over as Knicks president. They wonder, too: Would Colangelo try to free his son, Bryan, out of Toronto to be GM and lure Mike Krzyzewski, his Team USA coach, out of college basketball?

Before those things can happen, there is the matter of Thomas' last stand with his reshaped roster. Give Thomas this: He is a survivor. He doesn't go down easily. Michael Jordan has long been reputed to have shunned him from the Dream Team in 1992, and Pistons owner Bill Davidson chose Joe Dumars over Thomas to run his franchise. And yes, Larry Bird fired him as Pacers coach in 2001. Always, Thomas has gotten up again. He still sees himself as the little kid who survived Chicago's west side to turn himself into the game's greatest little man ever.

That trial against a deposed Knicks executive seemed to hit him the hardest, though, because nothing devours the human spirit like going through the ringer in New York. In this preseason, Thomas has done a lot of feeling sorry for himself. Around the league, he is isolated. Even within the Garden, his power has been marginalized. Everywhere, it's open season on Isiah Thomas. Before the game, someone asked Karl if he had apologized to Thomas for the nasty names he called him last December, and the Nuggets coach rolled his eyes and let out a long sigh.

Apologize? Are you kidding?

These days, going after Isiah means never having to say you're sorry.

And so, Tuesday night, the buzzer sounded and Isiah Thomas had something rare for him: His own, shiny Garden moment. He clenched that fist, and let out a private word to himself, and would soon see that Karl had disappeared to the losing locker room. Small step forward for the Knicks, and a two-by-four upside the head of a Nuggets coach that Thomas would've loved to take out onto 33rd Street and beat to a pulp.

Only, he wouldn't talk about vengeance on Tuesday, because no one here wants to hear that anymore. After all these years, New York just wants to see a basketball team again. "If we can keep these guys together for three or four years," Thomas would say, "they can do a lot of good things."

This was Isiah Thomas, the consummate campaigner. Mostly, the Knicks president and coach was saying this: Keep me around, and watch me shove it back in everyone's face.
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This marks a meaningful improvement over last season when Starbury mostly looked for his own


^^I disagree with this part of the article above.I don't know where people are getting this from but last year Marbury never looked for his own shot until late in the season when Crawford got injured.Steph last year went whole games where he didn't even look to shoot but only to be a set up man and let Curry and Crawford shoot.
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speaking of Q, bet next game first play its going to be Q around screen to shoot at the top key for 3 :nerd:
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last night's game was a pretty good one for the knicks

their bench got that fiery energy

AI is my fav player and he was the only one that played great amongst the nuggets

melo kinda faded out in the second half being guarded by balkman

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Q is not the same since his surgery. His shot has been off and he has lacked the same intensity on D, and he does not look as quick or powerful. I would look to start Blakman or Lee to provide some sprk right away. I will root for Q though, i hope he can get back to how he was, he is a great player despite his back problems and last season he showed some flashes of the clippers' Q.

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Jamal and Steph's Js are $. it seems like they make every long range bomb they take

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