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I got time today cuz. Been eyeballing this thread for a while and watching the laughs roll and bullying occur on BOTH sides.

Nah...you wilding :lol:

This ain’t it woe. That “both sides” **** is flat out destructive, disingenuous, hella lazy and for real some bs. It’s cool to admit you might be wrong, and just reflect and re-evaluate.

What you feeling right now, is you digging in....when ya ppl trying to tell you, you might need to reconsider. You got time, but use it wisely. What you doing right now....not it
 
Pathetic is the joy you get proving people wrong. You’re not a teacher famb. Just another “activist”
-I actually have taught College Stats ane Econ. But I don't try to teach in here, just challenge bad arguments.

-Trust me I get no joy in engaging with hot takes, bad arguments, and other foolishness. I just think there needs to be a counter for that kind of stuff on NT.

-I don't consider myself an activist, but if someone called me that, I would take it as a compliment

Nothing wrong with activism for a just cause.
 
And as a black man, you being Tongan means you know my history, my people's history?

You are in here asking people to support a line of thinking that has been extremely dangerous to that black community and black children. You know that right?

Seems like you want solidarity from people not on the validity of your arguments but because they need to see white liberals are a problem too.

Not letting some white liberals off the hook for all the ways they fail people of color, especially black people but from everything you said, if a black child had to work with you, it sounds like your white liberal supervisor I the better ally to a black child than you would.
I get mistaken for black/pr/dr a lot so I ride hard for my dark melanin skin all day. I’ve been dealing with white liberals so long thinking they know the best but don’t understand CULTURE.
 
My post was directly aimed at one particularly poster who tags me page after page with “DeFiNe A LiE”

You shouldn’t read anything more into it.

It is not an attempt to justify falsehoods.

I tagged the poster I’m talking about.
You’ve admitted that “supporting” Donald Trump was a mistake. Presumably, all the time and energy you wasted defending him here for the past few years was, thus, also in error.

So why are you still trying to act like Donald Trump never lied?

And you want to be treated like a “redemption story?!"


Amazing how you want us to believe you’ve “reformed,” and yet here you are on January 24th, 2021, still defending Donald Trump with far more zeal than you’ve yet mustered over this:

Do we have any conservatives on Niketalk? Be good to hear their opinions. I feel as if we are in our echo chambers a lot.

Everything from inequality to certain issues. etc. I'm moderate myself. Which is maddening because I can see both sides not being honest with themselves.
I’d take balance over favoritism any day.
Should we accept “both sides” of the slavery issue for the sake of “balance?”

Is NikeTalk an “echo chamber” unless we legitimize Holocaust-denial?

Or is it okay if we recognize that one side of these particular “debates” is innately illegitimate and incompatible with the values central to our community?

Let’s acknowledge the false equivalence inherent in prioritizing one person’s “right” to dispute someone’s fundamental personhood over the rights of the group whose humanity is thus called into question.

Over the summer, I summarized NikeTalk's approach thusly:

Do not ask me me to prioritize White comfort over Black safety.

That's basically what this comes down to: a request to establish parity between one group's right to safety with the privilege of an individual to spout hate speech or "playfully" challenge another group's humanity for the sake of alleviating boredom.

Nothing wrong with having a sprinkle of right wing, handful left wing and pinch of libertarian with A tid bit of communism..

Or is there something wrong with this?
I’m not okay with adding a dollop of racism to any discussion here.

This was a driving reason for the creation of NikeTalk. We were fed up with the near constant harassment by White Supremacists on unmoderated sneaker message boards.

As NikeTalk has no ambition to monopolize online expression, we have every right to constrain members' speech to foster a safe and respectful community environment. We've chosen not to prioritize ideological diversity to the exclusion of demographic diversity.

There are still plenty of unmoderated and poorly moderated social media platforms to choose from for those who feel unfairly restricted by NikeTalk's prohibition of hate speech.


If you think that anti-racist policies are inherently anti-conservative, that is a far more damning statement about conservativism than it is about anti-racism.

And you gloat off proving others wrong. You also add humor which is kinda demonic
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A lot of people don't know their history.

History is written by conquerors and colonists. Whatever, you learn at time is either a myth, exaggerated or inaccurate. However, we tend to believe it because that's all we have.
 
I get mistaken for black/pr/dr a lot so I ride hard for my dark melanin skin all day. I’ve been dealing with white liberals so long thinking they know the best but don’t understand CULTURE.
But you are not black. So please don't demand some racial solidarity from me when we are not even the same race.

Make a cogent argument if you want me to agree with you, because nothing you have said makes me sympathetic to what you have had to deal with.
 
But you are not black. So please don't demand some racial solidarity from me when we are not even the same race.

Make a cogent argument if you want me to agree with you, because nothing you have said makes me sympathetic to what you have had to deal with.
Genuine question ...

You're saying if you aren't black you can't demand racial solidarity?

To further elaborate, if you are black Hispanic, you shouldn't act like you know a black individuals struggles?
 
You’ve admitted that “supporting” Donald Trump was a mistake. Presumably, all the time and energy you wasted defending him here for the past few years was, thus, also in error.

So why are you still trying to act like Donald Trump never lied?

And you want to be treated like a “redemption story?!"


Amazing how you want us to believe you’ve “reformed,” and yet here you are on January 24th, 2021, still defending Donald Trump with far more zeal than you’ve yet mustered over this:



Should we accept “both sides” of the slavery issue for the sake of “balance?”

Is NikeTalk an “echo chamber” unless we legitimize Holocaust-denial?

Or is it okay if we recognize that one side of these particular “debates” is innately illegitimate and incompatible with the values central to our community?

Let’s acknowledge the false equivalence inherent in prioritizing one person’s “right” to dispute someone’s fundamental personhood over the rights of the group whose humanity is thus called into question.

Over the summer, I summarized NikeTalk's approach thusly:



That's basically what this comes down to: a request to establish parity between one group's right to safety with the privilege of an individual to spout hate speech or "playfully" challenge another group's humanity for the sake of alleviating boredom.


I’m not okay with adding a dollop of racism to any discussion here.

This was a driving reason for the creation of NikeTalk. We were fed up with the near constant harassment by White Supremacists on unmoderated sneaker message boards.

As NikeTalk has no ambition to monopolize online expression, we have every right to constrain members' speech to foster a safe and respectful community environment. We've chosen not to prioritize ideological diversity to the exclusion of demographic diversity.

There are still plenty of unmoderated and poorly moderated social media platforms to choose from for those who feel unfairly restricted by NikeTalk's prohibition of hate speech.


If you think that anti-racist policies are inherently anti-conservative, that is a far more damning statement about conservativism than it is about anti-racism.


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.. I ride for good (+) meth ✌️..
Lotta these liberals and conservatives are off the chain.
.. my bad for going off tangent. Just sucks how there’s this huge division
 
But you are not black. So please don't demand some racial solidarity from me when we are not even the same race.

Make a cogent argument if you want me to agree with you, because nothing you have said makes me sympathetic to what you have had to deal with.
Ok bruh, but their you got demanding solidarity from a white dude..
 
You’ve admitted that “supporting” Donald Trump was a mistake. Presumably, all the time and energy you wasted defending him here for the past few years was, thus, also in error.

So why are you still trying to act like Donald Trump never lied?

And you want to be treated like a “redemption story?!"


Amazing how you want us to believe you’ve “reformed,” and yet here you are on January 24th, 2021, still defending Donald Trump with far more zeal than you’ve yet mustered over this:


I'm not acting like that. My post was directed specifically at IATT IATT for his constant taunting. Nothing more should be read into it. Not defending Trump, as I said.

As it relates to the death penalty I am against it, period. In all cases. State or federal. And it doesn't matter who is in office.
 
.. I ride for good (+) meth ✌..
Lotta these liberals and conservatives are off the chain.
.. my bad for going off tangent. Just sucks how there’s this huge division
You're perceiving the disagreements in this thread as strictly left/right when that's not accurate.

In the last few pages alone, people called out an infamous "progressive" Bernie Sanders supporter for prioritizing outreach to White Supremacist insurrectionists. It's hardly the first time. The majority of participants in this discussion do not move in lockstep. There's disagreement even among those furthest left in this thread, as was evident in recent discussions of what I describe as White Socialism.

When people get banned, it isn’t due to “favoritism.” Usually, it’s for racism.

People are free to disagree over the merits of privatizing education or healthcare (or, more fundamentally, the ethics of private land ownership) so it’s not a matter of “outlawing” conservative views.

Consider what granting equivalence to "both sides" means in these situations:

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Granting moral equivalence to "both sides" in situations such as these could be described as a lot of things - but one thing that it is most assuredly not is neutral.

I'm not acting like that. My post was directed specifically at IATT IATT for his constant taunting. Nothing more should be read into it. Not defending Trump, as I said.

As it relates to the death penalty I am against it, period. In all cases. State or federal. And it doesn't matter who is in office.
Take a step back here and remember WHY he was “taunting” you over your “definition of a lie.”

Rather than apologize for behavior in support of something/someone you now characterize as “a mistake,” you’re doubling down.

This, in my opinion, is why people seem to be more disgusted by your antics than those of the average Trump supporter. It’s assumed - to your “credit” - that you know better.

If you want to be treated as a “recovering” Trump supporter, the very first step is to admit you have a problem. You just skipped all introspection and accountability to instantly declare yourself “recovered.”


By defending Trump’s lies, you were complicit in this process:

“Hitler’s method was to lie until he got what he wanted, by which point it was too late," Mr Rosenbaum said, adding there is no comparison between Hitler and Mr Trump in terms of scale. But, he said, it was important to see that, like Hitler, Mr Trump is "defining mendacity down" by normalising lies and lowering expectations of truthfulness.

While marchers and the courts have put up a fight after the Muslim ban, each new act, each new lie, accepted by default, seems less outrageous," Mr Rosenbaum said. "Let’s call it what it is: defining mendacity down.”

You have repeatedly attempted to not only define mendacity down, but to define racism down as well, all in defense of Donald Trump. Here you are, in 2021, refusing to desist in such efforts.


Do better.
 
Take a step back here and remember WHY he was “taunting” you over your “definition of a lie.”

He does that and also calls me a "supposed southern black man" page after page for what reason exactly? It seems you know more about his motives than I do.

Rather than apologize for behavior in support of something/someone you now characterize as “a mistake,” you’re doubling down.

This, in my opinion, is why people seem to be more disgusted by your antics than those of the average Trump supporter. It’s assumed - to your “credit” - that you know better.

If you want to be treated as a “recovering” Trump supporter, the very first step is to admit you have a problem. You just skipped all introspection and accountability to instantly declare yourself “recovered.”


By defending Trump’s lies, you were complicit in this process:

“Hitler’s method was to lie until he got what he wanted, by which point it was too late," Mr Rosenbaum said, adding there is no comparison between Hitler and Mr Trump in terms of scale. But, he said, it was important to see that, like Hitler, Mr Trump is "defining mendacity down" by normalising lies and lowering expectations of truthfulness.

While marchers and the courts have put up a fight after the Muslim ban, each new act, each new lie, accepted by default, seems less outrageous," Mr Rosenbaum said. "Let’s call it what it is: defining mendacity down.”

You have repeatedly attempted to not only define mendacity down, but to define racism down as well, all in defense of Donald Trump. Here you are, in 2021, refusing to desist in such efforts.


Do better.

I not only acknowledged my mistake in supporting Trump but also said that my former support of him was in error.

None of this is an attempt to defend him.

I aimed a post directly at a poster that has consistently taunted me for pages about not only my views but also about my race and questioning it.

I responded to him in kind.

I have acknowledged my mistake, but he hasn't.
 
He does that and also calls me a "supposed southern black man" page after page for what reason exactly? It seems you know more about his motives than I do.


considering the trouble you have defining a lie, why would I just trust what you got to say on al gore’s internet
 
He does that and also calls me a "supposed southern black man" page after page for what reason exactly? It seems you know more about his motives than I do.
Would you have preferred that he use the qualifier “allegedly” to denote his uncertainty regarding the substance of your claims?

not only acknowledged my mistake in supporting Trump but also said that my former support of him was in error.

None of this is an attempt to defend him.
Oh? Then what was the point of this if not to reassert the prior claim that Trump didn’t lie?
Seems they didn’t use the term “lie” either
 
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