Russell Westbrook

The @#$%?  These bunch of 21-22 years olds have to win THIS year for people to chill on Russ? 
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What the hell kind of logic is that?  Does that mean I get to start calling out Blake Griffin next year then if the Clips don't win it all?  Same thing ain't it? 
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Jesus Christ, 22 years old and it's "must win" time.  Tough world we livin in nowadays, damn. 
 
Its not 22 years old and must win. Its the fact they have a legitimate chance to take it all and he is a huge part of that. What so hard to understand? And can we stop talking about age? The league gets younger year after year, age is nothing but a number in the NBA these days.
 
Its not 22 years old and must win. Its the fact they have a legitimate chance to take it all and he is a huge part of that. What so hard to understand? And can we stop talking about age? The league gets younger year after year, age is nothing but a number in the NBA these days.
 
Originally Posted by Scott Frost

Its not 22 years old and must win. Its the fact they have a legitimate chance to take it all and he is a huge part of that. What so hard to understand? And can we stop talking about age? The league gets younger year after year, age is nothing but a number in the NBA these days.
I agree he's a huge part of that, hence not seeing what all the fuss is about.  The demand for trades, the constant bickering cuz he takes a couple extra shots.  For as much blame as I think Russ should get for taking too many, I could put similar blame on KD for not ripping the damn ball outta his hands and doin work with it.  It goes both ways.  I've seen glimpses of Kevin doing just that, and I love the fact that it's coming, but it ain't there full speed just yet.  

Chill the guy out yes, teach him, hound him, but all this trade him and garbage is plain ridiculous. 


And the age part, naw, the league isn't all that young where a team full of kids is doin work.  This right here is unprecedented.  It hasn't ever happened before.  Their top 6-7 guys are 26 and younger, and if not for Perk it would be like 24 and younger.  It's plain unhead of in NBA circles to be this far, this early. So age for this team matters. 

And to rip a kid for not winning a title in his 4th season would be unreal to me honestly.  Serious.  It's progression.  They made the playoffs last year, they won a round or two this year, now go fight for it all the next year and beyond.  They playin with house money right now, and people got knives at his throat after every single play.  That's a bunch of @#$%^&*(. 

And the damn kid played pretty good last night. 
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Originally Posted by Scott Frost

Its not 22 years old and must win. Its the fact they have a legitimate chance to take it all and he is a huge part of that. What so hard to understand? And can we stop talking about age? The league gets younger year after year, age is nothing but a number in the NBA these days.
I agree he's a huge part of that, hence not seeing what all the fuss is about.  The demand for trades, the constant bickering cuz he takes a couple extra shots.  For as much blame as I think Russ should get for taking too many, I could put similar blame on KD for not ripping the damn ball outta his hands and doin work with it.  It goes both ways.  I've seen glimpses of Kevin doing just that, and I love the fact that it's coming, but it ain't there full speed just yet.  

Chill the guy out yes, teach him, hound him, but all this trade him and garbage is plain ridiculous. 


And the age part, naw, the league isn't all that young where a team full of kids is doin work.  This right here is unprecedented.  It hasn't ever happened before.  Their top 6-7 guys are 26 and younger, and if not for Perk it would be like 24 and younger.  It's plain unhead of in NBA circles to be this far, this early. So age for this team matters. 

And to rip a kid for not winning a title in his 4th season would be unreal to me honestly.  Serious.  It's progression.  They made the playoffs last year, they won a round or two this year, now go fight for it all the next year and beyond.  They playin with house money right now, and people got knives at his throat after every single play.  That's a bunch of @#$%^&*(. 

And the damn kid played pretty good last night. 
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Originally Posted by DCAllAmerican

Originally Posted by amel223

Such naive thinking in here. Even if Russ plays the game of his life game 3, he'll get heckled if he stinks it up game 4. People love to criticize you when you're down. Happens to Rose all the time LOL
I see it diferently. I rarely ever see bad mouthing directed @ Rose.
Never. Barkley tried to bring it up that Rose was taking too many shots at a low percentage (remember he shoot 35% for his whole series) but Kenny and Webb shut that down by praising him and blaming it all on  his teammates and the NBA Tonite other guy (Not Weiner) did the same and was shut down even faster for suggesting it.

Dude was 7-15 with 4 assists, 4 tos. I don't think that can be pointed out enough. Derrick Rise, since he has been mentioned, was 7-23 in his last game!

It is very clear who, and yes I am throwing the majority of the media in there, never watched the Thunder up until game 4 of the Nuggets series
 
Originally Posted by DCAllAmerican

Originally Posted by amel223

Such naive thinking in here. Even if Russ plays the game of his life game 3, he'll get heckled if he stinks it up game 4. People love to criticize you when you're down. Happens to Rose all the time LOL
I see it diferently. I rarely ever see bad mouthing directed @ Rose.
Never. Barkley tried to bring it up that Rose was taking too many shots at a low percentage (remember he shoot 35% for his whole series) but Kenny and Webb shut that down by praising him and blaming it all on  his teammates and the NBA Tonite other guy (Not Weiner) did the same and was shut down even faster for suggesting it.

Dude was 7-15 with 4 assists, 4 tos. I don't think that can be pointed out enough. Derrick Rise, since he has been mentioned, was 7-23 in his last game!

It is very clear who, and yes I am throwing the majority of the media in there, never watched the Thunder up until game 4 of the Nuggets series
 
Originally Posted by CP1708

Originally Posted by Scott Frost

Its not 22 years old and must win. Its the fact they have a legitimate chance to take it all and he is a huge part of that. What so hard to understand? And can we stop talking about age? The league gets younger year after year, age is nothing but a number in the NBA these days.


And to rip a kid for not winning a title in his 4th season would be unreal to me honestly.  Serious.  It's progression.  They made the playoffs last year, they won a round or two this year, now go fight for it all the next year and beyond.  They playin with house money right now, and people got knives at his throat after every single play.  That's a bunch of @#$%^&*(. 

And the damn kid played pretty good last night. 
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Tell that to Lebron James

  
 
Originally Posted by CP1708

Originally Posted by Scott Frost

Its not 22 years old and must win. Its the fact they have a legitimate chance to take it all and he is a huge part of that. What so hard to understand? And can we stop talking about age? The league gets younger year after year, age is nothing but a number in the NBA these days.


And to rip a kid for not winning a title in his 4th season would be unreal to me honestly.  Serious.  It's progression.  They made the playoffs last year, they won a round or two this year, now go fight for it all the next year and beyond.  They playin with house money right now, and people got knives at his throat after every single play.  That's a bunch of @#$%^&*(. 

And the damn kid played pretty good last night. 
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Tell that to Lebron James

  
 
Never. Barkley tried to bring it up that Rose was taking too many shots at a low percentage (remember he shoot 35% for his whole series) but Kenny and Webb shut that down by praising him and blaming it all on  his teammates and the NBA Tonite other guy (Not Weiner) did the same and was shut down even faster for suggesting it.

Dude was 7-15 with 4 assists, 4 tos. I don't think that can be pointed out enough. Derrick Rise, since he has been mentioned, was 7-23 in his last game!

It is very clear who, and yes I am throwing the majority of the media in there, never watched the Thunder up until game 4 of the Nuggets series. Russ is a 22ppg 8 apg type point guard, never going to be in that Rondo vein of 10ppg 10 apg, don't expect it from him and that's not what got us here.

Again, it's FAR more complex than Russ just decided he wants the spotlight and wants to take all the shots. It's not that at all./ The Thunder run NO offense, or at worst a very primitive and predictable one. It's basically RUss standing with the ball up top and KD has to find a way to come to it, generally pin downs and curls, all action predicated on him setting his man up to get screen by our bigs.

Now, what happens when guys like Tony Allen, Shane Battier, Wilson Chandler are doing a good job keeping KD from breaking open to the ball (generally fouling but whatever) or when bigs get clever like Gasol did last round and start cheating into the passing lane and even doubling KD before the catch? Well, now you have Russ up top with the ball, 9 seconds left on the clock, and has to create a shot 1 on 1 now. There is no counter. There is no second option. Again, everything they do is VERY simple. Sometimes, well like twice, the big while try to cheat the high side to already be in the lane before KD comes off, which opens up a "slip" to the basket for Perkins, Ibaka, Collison, whoever is setting the screen. It's just a read though and not a play in itself, plus those guys hands still aren't such that you can do that 100% of the time if KD doesn't get open enough not to mention it's all about them making the read as much as Russell.

Then there's the middle of the high post isolation pick and roll play, Dallas made this famous. Well many times, KD doesn't set a strong enough screen on Westbrook's man (sometimes missing contact entirely) so it doesn't force the switch and he SUCKS, flat out SUCKS, at sealing his man behind him. He literally just stands there with his hand up in a spot and calls for the ball. He has improved on that this round because Stevenson and Marion aren't getting into him and pushing him enough, because otherwise it's easy to deflect attempted entry passes to KD.


Other times, KD either being tired or fed up with the bumping and grinding, just stands there and doesn't even avail himself to the ball and just floats around the 3pt line and watches. Again, so Russ tries to find out how to get him the ball for 15 seconds of the clock, that breaks down, now he has to "create" something himself. It is just the playoffs now so you're playing teams who study you, and teams are realizing you can make 1 good stop to ruin the play, and then Russ is vulnerable into having to try to save the possession, usually with drives so go help and/or pick up a charge.

As for the Rose comparisons, I still laugh because he is doing the exact same thing and again MUCH worst in many cases and his misses get swept under the rug. ESPN flashes the Men In Black eraser thing prior to Bull's highlights just in case anyone actually saw the whole game, then make a point to show you all of his makes, his 4 makes in 22 attempts, 7 in 23, 11 in 32, etc, usually a combo of duck behind screen jumpers, reverse layups, and acrobatic plays.

The media is trying SO hard to just stir up trouble. Hell, I thought Russ got traded last night by the ESPN guys the way they were talking.
We got here with him playing this way. He's taking a whole 2.5 shots more than he did in the regular season. He is a converted SG who never played point until he was drafted into the NBA, 3 seasons ago.

How many better options are there out there for the Thunder, ignoring the whole chemistry aspect and what it would take to get them?

If you can't get Chris Paul (assuming his knee doesn't scare you off), Deron Williams, or Derrick Rose, then you are getting worst. No I want no parts of Rondo or Nash or Billups.

edit: reshowing it now from like a milliopn different angles, he was CLEARLY not yelling at Scott Brook's. He said something like, "they're not running the #&*^ing play!" then a few seconds later, "Every God damned time!!"
 
Never. Barkley tried to bring it up that Rose was taking too many shots at a low percentage (remember he shoot 35% for his whole series) but Kenny and Webb shut that down by praising him and blaming it all on  his teammates and the NBA Tonite other guy (Not Weiner) did the same and was shut down even faster for suggesting it.

Dude was 7-15 with 4 assists, 4 tos. I don't think that can be pointed out enough. Derrick Rise, since he has been mentioned, was 7-23 in his last game!

It is very clear who, and yes I am throwing the majority of the media in there, never watched the Thunder up until game 4 of the Nuggets series. Russ is a 22ppg 8 apg type point guard, never going to be in that Rondo vein of 10ppg 10 apg, don't expect it from him and that's not what got us here.

Again, it's FAR more complex than Russ just decided he wants the spotlight and wants to take all the shots. It's not that at all./ The Thunder run NO offense, or at worst a very primitive and predictable one. It's basically RUss standing with the ball up top and KD has to find a way to come to it, generally pin downs and curls, all action predicated on him setting his man up to get screen by our bigs.

Now, what happens when guys like Tony Allen, Shane Battier, Wilson Chandler are doing a good job keeping KD from breaking open to the ball (generally fouling but whatever) or when bigs get clever like Gasol did last round and start cheating into the passing lane and even doubling KD before the catch? Well, now you have Russ up top with the ball, 9 seconds left on the clock, and has to create a shot 1 on 1 now. There is no counter. There is no second option. Again, everything they do is VERY simple. Sometimes, well like twice, the big while try to cheat the high side to already be in the lane before KD comes off, which opens up a "slip" to the basket for Perkins, Ibaka, Collison, whoever is setting the screen. It's just a read though and not a play in itself, plus those guys hands still aren't such that you can do that 100% of the time if KD doesn't get open enough not to mention it's all about them making the read as much as Russell.

Then there's the middle of the high post isolation pick and roll play, Dallas made this famous. Well many times, KD doesn't set a strong enough screen on Westbrook's man (sometimes missing contact entirely) so it doesn't force the switch and he SUCKS, flat out SUCKS, at sealing his man behind him. He literally just stands there with his hand up in a spot and calls for the ball. He has improved on that this round because Stevenson and Marion aren't getting into him and pushing him enough, because otherwise it's easy to deflect attempted entry passes to KD.


Other times, KD either being tired or fed up with the bumping and grinding, just stands there and doesn't even avail himself to the ball and just floats around the 3pt line and watches. Again, so Russ tries to find out how to get him the ball for 15 seconds of the clock, that breaks down, now he has to "create" something himself. It is just the playoffs now so you're playing teams who study you, and teams are realizing you can make 1 good stop to ruin the play, and then Russ is vulnerable into having to try to save the possession, usually with drives so go help and/or pick up a charge.

As for the Rose comparisons, I still laugh because he is doing the exact same thing and again MUCH worst in many cases and his misses get swept under the rug. ESPN flashes the Men In Black eraser thing prior to Bull's highlights just in case anyone actually saw the whole game, then make a point to show you all of his makes, his 4 makes in 22 attempts, 7 in 23, 11 in 32, etc, usually a combo of duck behind screen jumpers, reverse layups, and acrobatic plays.

The media is trying SO hard to just stir up trouble. Hell, I thought Russ got traded last night by the ESPN guys the way they were talking.
We got here with him playing this way. He's taking a whole 2.5 shots more than he did in the regular season. He is a converted SG who never played point until he was drafted into the NBA, 3 seasons ago.

How many better options are there out there for the Thunder, ignoring the whole chemistry aspect and what it would take to get them?

If you can't get Chris Paul (assuming his knee doesn't scare you off), Deron Williams, or Derrick Rose, then you are getting worst. No I want no parts of Rondo or Nash or Billups.

edit: reshowing it now from like a milliopn different angles, he was CLEARLY not yelling at Scott Brook's. He said something like, "they're not running the #&*^ing play!" then a few seconds later, "Every God damned time!!"
 
Originally Posted by cRazy dav0

i'm one of the biggest westbrook haters on the board ... but that is just because i'm a bulls fan and pro rose ...

all hating aside ... the kid is highly skilled ... i just tend to focus on the things he does poorly on the court ...

shooting off balanced all the time, driving recklessly towards the hoop, shooting too much, and imploding near the end of games which provides tons of lulz ...


but seriously ... kid is fast and is a rebounding beast ... he has teammates who can score like crazy so he can and should be racking up more assists

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w/ that said if he ran the play and it broke down b/c HIS TEAMMATES $%$@$@ IT UP ... then brooks is an idiot

yes the team was winning w/o him but at least put him in for free throws in the last 2 min ... things were tightening up as well and he just stayed on the bench ... you don't bench one ur horses in the conference finals for the ENTIRE 4TH QUARTER especially if it wasn't his fault

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you gotta know refbrook is a hot head and he may just go off the deep end after this ...

poor coaching imo ... yes it worked for the game but long term ... this can backfire and all dude had to do was put him in for a bit at the end or walk over to him and explain it then ... part of coaching is managing egos
isnt that what Rose was doing in game 2 vs miami?

the play westbrook called for was probably another 1-4 iso
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Originally Posted by cRazy dav0

i'm one of the biggest westbrook haters on the board ... but that is just because i'm a bulls fan and pro rose ...

all hating aside ... the kid is highly skilled ... i just tend to focus on the things he does poorly on the court ...

shooting off balanced all the time, driving recklessly towards the hoop, shooting too much, and imploding near the end of games which provides tons of lulz ...


but seriously ... kid is fast and is a rebounding beast ... he has teammates who can score like crazy so he can and should be racking up more assists

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w/ that said if he ran the play and it broke down b/c HIS TEAMMATES $%$@$@ IT UP ... then brooks is an idiot

yes the team was winning w/o him but at least put him in for free throws in the last 2 min ... things were tightening up as well and he just stayed on the bench ... you don't bench one ur horses in the conference finals for the ENTIRE 4TH QUARTER especially if it wasn't his fault

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you gotta know refbrook is a hot head and he may just go off the deep end after this ...

poor coaching imo ... yes it worked for the game but long term ... this can backfire and all dude had to do was put him in for a bit at the end or walk over to him and explain it then ... part of coaching is managing egos
isnt that what Rose was doing in game 2 vs miami?

the play westbrook called for was probably another 1-4 iso
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I think the main reason that Russy is feeling the heat while Rose doesnt is cause Chicago does not have a guy like KD.
The Thunder need Russy to score, if in game 7 it was closer Russy has a big 4th quarter scoring.
The biggest issue the Thunder have sometimes is hiding KD on D.
If they could have kept Maynor at the PG put Russell at the 2 and Harden or Seflasocia at the 3 with KD as a 4 on Dirk for a while this issue is non existant.
It was the reason they had him as a 2 his first year, and it was the reason Russell did not come into the game in the 4th.
I would like to think Rose wouldnt have had this issue last night, but then again no one knows and he has his own set of issues going on right now.
Its not like Chris Paul is at the helm of a Juggernaut offense, its not like one guy creating half a teams shots really works.
No its the number of shots Chris takes in comparison to Rose and Westbrook, not the fact that he generally dominates the ball.
Look I can tell you 2 things that would happen if Paul went to OKC with this team.
1. Kevin Durant would lead the league in scoring for the next 4 years
2 The Thunder would not win a title unless James Harden became a legit second option.
They would not be better defensively, passing overall, or on offense.
Where as they can win now with Westbrook and Maynor as the primary PG options.

Teaching Russell a lesson was the last thing on Brooks mind, winning that game was, Maynor essentually canceled all the reasons you would have put Russell in lt night and when a guy does that you have to ride it as long as you can.
He scored and got KD, and Harden shots.
 
I think the main reason that Russy is feeling the heat while Rose doesnt is cause Chicago does not have a guy like KD.
The Thunder need Russy to score, if in game 7 it was closer Russy has a big 4th quarter scoring.
The biggest issue the Thunder have sometimes is hiding KD on D.
If they could have kept Maynor at the PG put Russell at the 2 and Harden or Seflasocia at the 3 with KD as a 4 on Dirk for a while this issue is non existant.
It was the reason they had him as a 2 his first year, and it was the reason Russell did not come into the game in the 4th.
I would like to think Rose wouldnt have had this issue last night, but then again no one knows and he has his own set of issues going on right now.
Its not like Chris Paul is at the helm of a Juggernaut offense, its not like one guy creating half a teams shots really works.
No its the number of shots Chris takes in comparison to Rose and Westbrook, not the fact that he generally dominates the ball.
Look I can tell you 2 things that would happen if Paul went to OKC with this team.
1. Kevin Durant would lead the league in scoring for the next 4 years
2 The Thunder would not win a title unless James Harden became a legit second option.
They would not be better defensively, passing overall, or on offense.
Where as they can win now with Westbrook and Maynor as the primary PG options.

Teaching Russell a lesson was the last thing on Brooks mind, winning that game was, Maynor essentually canceled all the reasons you would have put Russell in lt night and when a guy does that you have to ride it as long as you can.
He scored and got KD, and Harden shots.
 
Westbrick is buns. 'Ol donatello in the face lookin' boy. Darren Collison, J'Rue Holiday, and Jordan Farmar > Russell Refbrook.
 
Westbrick is buns. 'Ol donatello in the face lookin' boy. Darren Collison, J'Rue Holiday, and Jordan Farmar > Russell Refbrook.
 
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Originally Posted by HOOSIERdaddy282

Originally Posted by airmaxpenny1

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These type of comments just kill me
What team leader/first option leads the NBA in rings, if not Bean? Do tell.

These are the lakers fans who are the worst, they use the ring argument to justify their ******ed comments. Kobe isn't anywhere close to being the ringleader of anything anymore. You aren't winning a chip with him as your first option anymore so he really isn't leading !!+!.  Ringleaders don't get outplayed by opposing team's best player in their two playoffs series or get swept by the Mavs
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Boy you are seriously on one.


 Kobe is LEADING THE NBA
...in TOTAL RINGS
...as a NUMBER ONE OPTION ON A TEAM
AS OF right now.

Fact.

My post had nothing to do with his future, or even the outcome of the current playoffs. It was a reference to his past and how he went from the "team cancer" and "ball hog" that struggled to deal with Shaq as a number 1 option -- Like some people are labeling Russ -- to the most successful player of this current era of Ball and most deserving of the place, and role, he has with his team today. I was saying that what we may be seeing from Russ -- like we saw from Bean -- is greatness in the making and the friction that comes with becoming great as a number 2 option with number 1 potential....so chill man... you were arguing the wrong $$%*. AND you did it poorly, to boot.
 
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Originally Posted by HOOSIERdaddy282

Originally Posted by airmaxpenny1

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These type of comments just kill me
What team leader/first option leads the NBA in rings, if not Bean? Do tell.

These are the lakers fans who are the worst, they use the ring argument to justify their ******ed comments. Kobe isn't anywhere close to being the ringleader of anything anymore. You aren't winning a chip with him as your first option anymore so he really isn't leading !!+!.  Ringleaders don't get outplayed by opposing team's best player in their two playoffs series or get swept by the Mavs
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Boy you are seriously on one.


 Kobe is LEADING THE NBA
...in TOTAL RINGS
...as a NUMBER ONE OPTION ON A TEAM
AS OF right now.

Fact.

My post had nothing to do with his future, or even the outcome of the current playoffs. It was a reference to his past and how he went from the "team cancer" and "ball hog" that struggled to deal with Shaq as a number 1 option -- Like some people are labeling Russ -- to the most successful player of this current era of Ball and most deserving of the place, and role, he has with his team today. I was saying that what we may be seeing from Russ -- like we saw from Bean -- is greatness in the making and the friction that comes with becoming great as a number 2 option with number 1 potential....so chill man... you were arguing the wrong $$%*. AND you did it poorly, to boot.
 
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 i made a Russy > Rose thread early last year 
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i still love the dude.. but he needs to get his head straight
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 i made a Russy > Rose thread early last year 
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i still love the dude.. but he needs to get his head straight
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