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Ryan Braun - to be hit with susp for PEDs
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nonsense dude is a cheater
his testosterone level tested out at an abnormal 20:1
what bruan says is that since it was shipped late it had an effect on his test not that it was tampered with
being shipped late no matter what temperature it is does not get it to 20:1 testosterone
BS
dude was not found innocent, he found someone to blame his failed taste on
dude better have an MVP type season and he better be the most tested player in the majors
his testosterone level tested out at an abnormal 20:1
what bruan says is that since it was shipped late it had an effect on his test not that it was tampered with
being shipped late no matter what temperature it is does not get it to 20:1 testosterone
BS
dude was not found innocent, he found someone to blame his failed taste on
dude better have an MVP type season and he better be the most tested player in the majors
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Interesting, didnt know most of that. But yea going into this I fully expected everyone to be mad.
When hasnt he had an MVP type season lol. And when he does you'll be the first to say cheater so why does it even matter.
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Victor Conte is the voice of reason. Gunna posted an article in the boxing thread that really opened my eyes. Braun cheated, got away with it. Its the American way.
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RyGuy, can you post the link to the whole article where you quoted Conte?
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RyGuy, can you post the link to the whole article where you quoted Conte?
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From that same article:
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Interesting, didnt know most of that. But yea going into this I fully expected everyone to be mad.
When hasnt he had an MVP type season lol. And when he does you'll be the first to say cheater so why does it even matter.
Weak response. Your boy is a cheater. Probably has been his whole career.
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I think a lot of people still don't realize how much players are still using
The MLB drug testing is a nice first step to deter a lot of PEDs. But as many have mentioned you would have to be an idiot to actually fail an MLB test. Guys similar to Victor Conte are experts in their field and know exactly what drugs will not show up and know exactly what new drugs are outpacing the MLB tests. Players have easy access to guys like Conte and they have a lot of money to spend. You don't have to be injecting a needle into your butt anymore. Even mild PEDs taken under the tongue help to rake through a doubleheader in August.
This will always go on as long as Major League Baseball expects players to have a month of spring training, 162 regular season games, then playoffs. Players break down. It is an absolute grind and even MLB knows their product would be much better if they cut the season down but they won't because owners only care about one thing.
Lastly, the testing is getting stronger starting this season. Previously all tests were urine samples. Now blood testing begins to check for HGH.
With all that said, the current testing does work to deter a lot of the drug use and the proof is in the pudding. From 1998 to 2002 (five seasons) 60 players hit 40+ home runs. From 2007-2011 (five seasons) 16 players hit 40+ home runs.
The MLB drug testing is a nice first step to deter a lot of PEDs. But as many have mentioned you would have to be an idiot to actually fail an MLB test. Guys similar to Victor Conte are experts in their field and know exactly what drugs will not show up and know exactly what new drugs are outpacing the MLB tests. Players have easy access to guys like Conte and they have a lot of money to spend. You don't have to be injecting a needle into your butt anymore. Even mild PEDs taken under the tongue help to rake through a doubleheader in August.
This will always go on as long as Major League Baseball expects players to have a month of spring training, 162 regular season games, then playoffs. Players break down. It is an absolute grind and even MLB knows their product would be much better if they cut the season down but they won't because owners only care about one thing.
Lastly, the testing is getting stronger starting this season. Previously all tests were urine samples. Now blood testing begins to check for HGH.
With all that said, the current testing does work to deter a lot of the drug use and the proof is in the pudding. From 1998 to 2002 (five seasons) 60 players hit 40+ home runs. From 2007-2011 (five seasons) 16 players hit 40+ home runs.
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Weak response. Your boy is a cheater. Probably has been his whole career.
You sound dumb. Ryan Braun has been an elite baseball player since he was an amatuer. Same as A-Rod. He's gonna go out again his season and have a great year cause he is a great player.
Did he cheat? Undoubtedly. But the numbers of athletes that use some sort of PED's is prolly so much greater than we imagine. Look at these guy's now, football players, NBA players, they are all using some type of $@*%. I think its just time that sports change their attitudes in regards to PED's.
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Arod's steroid use has been documented as far back as high school. What's your point?Originally Posted by airmaxpenny1
You sound dumb. Ryan Braun has been an elite baseball player since he was an amatuer. Same as A-Rod. He's gonna go out again his season and have a great year cause he is a great player.
Did he cheat? Undoubtedly. But the numbers of athletes that use some sort of PED's is prolly so much greater than we imagine. Look at these guy's now, football players, NBA players, they are all using some type of $@*%. I think its just time that sports change their attitudes in regards to PED's.
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The guy was the best freshman in the nation in college. If you think PED's are the reason he's good, then your dumb.
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Lloyd Braun > Ryan Braun
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Braun going in on ESPN right now.
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This dude has great speech taking abilities
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Conte is the God father, i love the guy bc he just puts it out there
He is the only expert besides memo Heredia who knows 100 % truth on the testing and usage
Braun and his lawyers just pulled a fast one out of their #%*
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Originally Posted by Proshares
What does that have to do with anything? And don't you call everyone out for steroids, including Pujols?
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If it was such. A battle for his reputation why didnt Braun take the DNA blood test ?
He "backed off" taking it per from MLB
He "backed off" taking it per from MLB
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I'm not defending Braun...I think he did and its ridiculous he got off. I just think its just as stupid to act like the guy is only good cause of that though. I've long said I think all the "steroid," guys should get in the hall.Originally Posted by Proshares
What does that have to do with anything? And don't you call everyone out for steroids, including Pujols?
I think its a stretch to call Braun a long-time cheater though. I think the guy wanted a World Series knowing it was his best chance and took the risk with the fast acting testorone stuff. I mean, if you can believe Andy Pettitte only did it that once, why can't I believe that?
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he would be stupid to use after getting a guarenteed contract.
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I think Braun needs to stick with the less is more mentality. I can understand some of his frustrations but the more he talks the more it makes him look worse. Lets stop with the "exoneration" lines, and "I was proven to be innocent." His official appeal (from him and his lawyers) was not on the test results...instead it was on the handling of it. His lawyers did not dispute that synthetic testosterone was found in his urine. Things to think about.
Others obviously have their own opinions as well:
"Major League Baseball vehemently disagrees with the decision rendered today by arbitrator Shyam Das." - MLB Executive VP Rob Manfred
"To have this sort of technicality of all technicalities let a player off...it's just a sad day for all the clean players and those that abide by the rules" - Travis Tygart, chief executive officer of the U.S. Anti-Doping Agency
"(Major League) Baseball....is considering a federal lawsuit to overturn the Das decision."
Regardless, Braun and all MLB players have a right for this process to not be in public and it somehow leaked. And that was not right. And they have a right to not have the handling of this stuff be half-assed like this is a junior high collection and testing team. MLB has learned a huge lesson on their procedure and IMO I'm glad they did.
Others obviously have their own opinions as well:
"Major League Baseball vehemently disagrees with the decision rendered today by arbitrator Shyam Das." - MLB Executive VP Rob Manfred
"To have this sort of technicality of all technicalities let a player off...it's just a sad day for all the clean players and those that abide by the rules" - Travis Tygart, chief executive officer of the U.S. Anti-Doping Agency
"(Major League) Baseball....is considering a federal lawsuit to overturn the Das decision."
Regardless, Braun and all MLB players have a right for this process to not be in public and it somehow leaked. And that was not right. And they have a right to not have the handling of this stuff be half-assed like this is a junior high collection and testing team. MLB has learned a huge lesson on their procedure and IMO I'm glad they did.
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His lie has gotten so good to him he just feels he can go the extra mile and keep yapping.
In his presser he just said that he was willing to take any and every test to prove he's clean.
But he turned down dna test. ...
We've seen this before tho. Merriman, Cushing, Gatlin, etc...
In his presser he just said that he was willing to take any and every test to prove he's clean.
But he turned down dna test. ...
We've seen this before tho. Merriman, Cushing, Gatlin, etc...
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That was a free master class in public relations today. Props to Braun's entire team.