Star Wars Universe Thread: May The 4th Be With You

[jaypesoz]

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Also, the original cut was a little over 3 hours, I wonder if that material could’ve replaced Finn and rose’s story...

It was probably just another sub-plot where Finn & Rose go on a side quest with the orphan kids and ends with her giving him her ring

 

[knappps]

Originally where did the Jedi get their children to train and what not? Were kids with “the force” found by existing Jedi or was it something completely passed down within families?
Just curious and I couldn’t find anything from a quick search.

 

[Sinner]

Makes sense. If you are a huge Star Wars fan, especially of the movie canon, it’s a lot of emotional equity, history and knowledge this film forces you to shed off about Star Wars.

For some, that’s easy to do and for others not so much yet. Fan favorites are being killed off, how folks use the force is being expanded, etc., its a lot of changes.

I think in a few more viewings, I probably end up loving the movie. There’s a lot of classic moments that really are franchise “toppers.”

Right now, I just can’t stand that Rey is literally the most powerful Jedi ever without a real explanation.

Also, bunch of things set-up without any real emotional payoff bothers me.

Expectations really can mess up an initial viewing experience.

I hear ya. I, too, was disappointed with stuff like that... like using Ackbar over Holdo... to me, the swap wouldn't have made much of a difference to the plot/outcome, but would have made a huge difference for the fans and the character. Or like Leia... there could have been better, more reasonable ways, to display her being one with the Force.

I do hope JJ will address these issues in IX.

 

[knappps]

It was probably just another sub-plot where Finn & Rose go on a side quest with the orphan kids and ends with her giving him her ring

Or maybe more of Snoke training Kylo/Luke training Rey. I don’t know, I didn’t hate that whole casino planet but there’s other stuff I’d rather have seen.

 

[Sinner]

Originally where did the Jedi get there children to train and what not? Were kids with “the force” found by existing Jedi or was it something completely passed down within families?
Just curious and I couldn’t find anything from a quick search.

IIRC, Jedi went around scouting kids... at least, that's what Qui-Gon did with Anakin. Using his Force-senses and that little Midichlorian thingy.

 

[knappps]

IIRC, Jedi went around scouting kids... at least, that's what Qui-Gon did with Anakin. Using his Force-senses and that little Midichlorian thingy.

So the idea of random select people using the force doesn’t really break that then. Cool thanks.

 

[Jim Shady]

the hate going around the Internet is STRONG

 

[CP1708]

Funny thing about all this "negative" stuff is I've been to two different theaters, in two different cities, both packed, and everyone came out happy as could be.
Everyone here at work, thrilled about it.
People I've talked to from outside of work, thrilled.

Then I come in here........

*shrugs*

 

[CP1708]

SATURDAY AM UPDATE: After taking in an estimated $104.78 million on Friday, Star Wars: The Last Jedi is looking at a $215+ million three-day debut. This is the second largest Friday ever behind only The Force Awakens ($119.1 million). The film received an "A" CinemaScore.

*shrugs*

 

[jaypesoz]

So the idea of random select people using the force doesn’t really break that idea then. Cool thanks.

Yes, they scouted kids for potential and trained them. For years. Even Luke took a few years on his journey to be a Jedi Knight in ROTJ.

Kylo/Ben has been trained from birth and yet, some chick grabs a lightsaber once and is suddenly better than him? Then the sequel takes place, supposedly just a few days/weeks later and he still can’t force pull a lightsaber away from her? Those are the issues that people have a problem with. It’s not that they don’t like Rey, it’s just she’s already OP so what reason do you have to “root” for her?

 

[...So]

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[masagipatron]

Saw this online, good thing I didn't go to the theater

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I don't think it was absolutely terrible but there were some cringe moments. Like Luke shoulder brush didn't bother me nearly as much as the wink. FOH. And to C-3PO, you know 3PO is a Botty Bot.

Snoke was an interesting villain so that means he had to kick rocks without a back story.

I thought Rose was lame FOH. I didn't want to believe PoeFinn, I was hoping he would smash Rey but nope Darth Emo wins again. Also, Darth Emo looks and sounds ill with the helmet but nope FOH

Leia The Silver Surfer. C'mon son.

Phasma of Tarth came back for yet another L

Benicio Del Toro is too ill of an actor for such a small role

It felt like Yoda was just thrown in there for old Star Wars fans. Like "Here you old ******, here's Yoda, stop your rassclot crying"

In the context of this story, Rey being the daughter of some junkers makes sense but in the scope of Star Wars lore, it's kind of lame. Maybe she sacrifices herself at some point for the greater good and that makes her a Jedi legend? Also her training sequences with Luke were weak af

The parts I did like were the space battles and Snoke being spicy. The goal is clearly to get rid of most of the old trilogies so I imagine in the next episode, Chewie dies, Millennium Falcon is destroyed, Leia has to go to cause of Carrie Fisher RIP. Maybe they'll bring back Endor just to have the First Order destroy it too.

 

[raider5]

The more I think about this film, the more it disappoints.

I know the continued message of "let the past die" isn't overlooked, but still...

I know years of isolation can force folks to change. Yoda in ESB wasn't the same character he was in ROS but he still came back around to the deep thinking Jedi Master when needed. I just didn't get any of that from Luke...

 

[Mark Antony]

Yes, they scouted kids for potential and trained them. For years. Even Luke took a few years on his journey to be a Jedi Knight in ROTJ.

Kylo/Ben has been trained from birth and yet, some chick grabs a lightsaber once and is suddenly better than him? Then the sequel takes place, supposedly just a few days/weeks later and he still can’t force pull a lightsaber away from her? Those are the issues that people have a problem with. It’s not that they don’t like Rey, it’s just she’s already OP so what reason do you have to “root” for her?

Yeah she's so op and there's no explanation why, and she's just a junkers daughter. That will probably all change in the final of the trilogy, but seems like backwards storytelling.

 

[Mark Antony]

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[knappps]

Yes, they scouted kids for potential and trained them. For years. Even Luke took a few years on his journey to be a Jedi Knight in ROTJ.

Kylo/Ben has been trained from birth and yet, some chick grabs a lightsaber once and is suddenly better than him? Then the sequel takes place, supposedly just a few days/weeks later and he still can’t force pull a lightsaber away from her? Those are the issues that people have a problem with. It’s not that they don’t like Rey, it’s just she’s already OP so what reason do you have to “root” for her?

Yeah I get that, there’s definitely issues with the plot in some places. Right now I’m hoping they do a big reveal in 9 and she actually is a Skywalker.

I was thinking more about going forward with the next trilogy. If they have a completely new protagonist say in the outer rim that’s mildly force sensitive, how that plays into the whole idea.

 

[Sinner]

I get why they want to finish the Skywalker story in 7-9... but by killing off Luke in 8 and Carrie not being in 9, setting up Rey v Kylo for 9 seems a bit too soon. I think Ridley said that she's done with Rey after 9, so the next set of movies can't/won't be about Rey. It'll be interesting to see how JJ resolves this. It'd be weird ending the Skywalker story with Ben as the only Skywalker.

 

[raider5]

I get why they want to finish the Skywalker story in 7-9... but by killing off Luke in 8 and Carrie not being in 9, setting up Rey v Kylo for 9 seems a bit too soon. I think Ridley said that she's done with Rey after 9, so the next set of movies can't/won't be about Rey. It'll be interesting to see how JJ resolves this. It'd be weird ending the Skywalker story with Ben as the only Skywalker.

Actors say they're done with characters all the time. Sometimes they use it as leverage to grab more money knowing the franchise needs them to move forward. I'm not saying that is what Daisy is doing, but i wouldn't be surprised if she's back.

 

[vegetaray123]

No force user up until now has been able to just naturally tap into the force without training except for Anakin...Prequels explained Anaking was the chosen one because his force power actually manifested without training, via his ability to race pods...It was entire plot thread in Episode 1...

Rey naturally did everything without training in the last movie...I think that’s why some people are upset with the Rey parents reveal...Assumption was, due to the established mythos, that she absolutely needed to come from some form of strong Jedi / Sith lineage...Again due to the established history in the films...It would’ve been able to explain why she was able to do what she did in the last film...Nevermind the expanded universe, this was all established in the films...

Luke in Episode 5 was barely able to stack a couple rocks...Fast forward to TLJ and Rey’s moving the equivalent of a mountainside...

Add to that the broom kid at the end and of course people are angry...They took what was an anomaly in Anakin that designated him as the chosen one and are now saying it’s nothing special at all because here’s at least two nobody’s doing the same things...

The Luke character assasination is a whole different conversation...

 

[Air273]

thats a good point about Rey....shes at Jedi level a month after leaving her home?

maybe they can explain it.....maybe she is a lost skywalker cousin of luke.....maybe she was the one to bring balance to the force....

or she is a nobody that somehow had greater ability in the force than jedi warriors, masters.....shame no told han solo that it was possible maybe he would still be alive.

bottom line....this franchise made it seem in order for someone to be a jedi they have to have a special something in them....an avg joe couldnt just use the force. either she is an avg joe or she is someone.....how? i think it will be explained in the next one.

on the other hand anakin story only starts with his mom having him with no dad....

 

[knappps]

I get why they want to finish the Skywalker story in 7-9... but by killing off Luke in 8 and Carrie not being in 9, setting up Rey v Kylo for 9 seems a bit too soon. I think Ridley said that she's done with Rey after 9, so the next set of movies can't/won't be about Rey. It'll be interesting to see how JJ resolves this. It'd be weird ending the Skywalker story with Ben as the only Skywalker.

I agree the story seems backwards in places and some pieces don’t seem to fit. Hopefully JJ can wrap it up but we’ll see.
What I do like about it, is it gives a completely different story to think and speculate about for the next 2 years. I was hoping Rey was turning in TLJ and I had the entire rest of the trilogy planned out in my head. But I mean here we are now.

 

[buschfan04]

In the old days the Jedi would feel that a kid is force sensitive and then take that kid from their families and train them. Just because they are force sensitive doesn’t mean they can use the force. Heck the only thing anakin was race pods until he was trained now we got people using force left and right it seems.

 

[vegetaray123]

The point is that now two films have completely ignored, or actually outright changed the established mythology of these films...People are getting pissy because the people behind these stories don’t seem to care...

 

[vegetaray123]

thats a good point about Rey....shes at Jedi level a month after leaving her home?

maybe they can explain it.....maybe she is a lost skywalker cousin of luke.....maybe she was the one to bring balance to the force....

or she is a nobody that somehow had greater ability in the force than jedi warriors, masters.....shame no told han solo that it was possible maybe he would still be alive.

bottom line....this franchise made it seem in order for someone to be a jedi they have to have a special something in them....an avg joe couldnt just use the force. either she is an avg joe or she is someone.....how? i think it will be explained in the next one.

on the other hand anakin story only starts with his mom having with no dad....

See that’s the thing...Anakin being a human able to race pods was enough of an anomaly that it had Qui-Gon checking his mediclorians and finding out they were higher than even Yoda had...After he found out he was born of the force it was established that he was the long rumored chosen one...Anakin couldn’t do the things Rey and now broom kid are capable of doing...

They’ve now shown us two legit nothing special people who have greater ability than even Anakin ~ THE chosen one...And nobody in this universe questions these abilities or how Rey got soooo powerful?

 

[HellaSteph]

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I worked with a few SW experts who contributed and maintain Wookieepedia and we all loved SW: TLJ!

First off, I'm a huge fan of Reylo. I rewatched TFA and I saw a lot of setting up for them being connected, and not just on a Force bond way. This is Anakin / Padme's story but backwards.



I think Rey will turn only to save Ben. She lets him call him "Ben" and he does not correct her. He had so many opportunities to kill her but he didn't. She is his balance. For Rey, I think she knows that she's neither good nor evil. I think this is the beginning of the Grey Jedi. http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Gray_Jedi

I think a lot of people are upset because this movie truly marked the end of the Skywalker arc. There's no definite "dark" vs "light" or "evil" vs "good" theme like in the original Trilogy. With Luke gone, and Carrie Fisher being lost (RIP), it sets up this new SW universe that anyone can be a Jedi and they can walk the line of light and dark.

My guess is: Reylo is canon, they'll have twins. My favorite ship has sailed!