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https://www.t-nation.com/training/the-best-exercises-period

"The bench press is not the best exercise to build the pectoral muscles. It's the dip."

"The dip builds the best pecs.

The best exercises for individual body parts can vary from one person to the next because of leverages or muscle dominances. But the chest is one exception. And while most people think the bench press builds the best pecs, most people are wrong.

To this day I haven't met one person who was very strong on dips (in perfect form) who didn't have a very good chest, but I have seen my fair share of big bench pressers with very ordinary pecs.

The first sign of a good/bad dip is body swing. Those who aren't doing the dip properly tend to have their torso and legs moving during the exercise, whereas those who are very good at dips seem to have their torso and legs fixed on a sliding rail.

Another sign is whether the shoulders stay in the pocket or not. Bad dippers (and those who get shoulder problems from dips) often allow their shoulders to move forward and up relative to their torso when they go down. If you took a picture of only their shoulders, it would look like they were doing a shrug.

When you dip down you should flare your lats – think of rubbing the inner part of your upper arm against the lats – and "open up" the chest, not unlike during a bench press."
 
Thibodeau is one of the best writers on that site.

His growth factor series is great


But I could never not bench :lol:
 
But I could never not bench
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Agreed

but he isn't saying not to bench 
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saw a guy using suicide grip drop 225# onto his chest. i ran over and helped move the weight off. he sat on the bench for about 20 more minutes and was texting. my wife said he was probably telling his mom to come pick him up [emoji]128514[/emoji]

400


That's embarrassing
 
I bench pressed today for the first time in 5 months maybe. Didn't like it. Probably will start doing dips tomorrow lol
 
Personal Trainers are more like coaches...per say.

So I guess they don't have to be fit to train you.

But 135 though lol
 
It really depends on the gym

Crossfit trainers all seem to be in ridiculous shape
I don't know. One of my coach/oly coach is a beast..She's not greatest shape though...

She can oly lift like no other but when it comes to CF skill sets...

She can't do doubleunders, butterflies, HSPU, or Row well...But she tells people when they're doing it incorrectly and teach them how to do them properly..Weird.
 
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I've dropped in to Takano Athletics (Bob Takano) and Waxmans Gym (Sean Waxman), and have done a couple of Barbell WOD cycles (Dave Spitz/Cal Strength). From an aesthetics standpoint, none of those guys are in shape, but they have deep knowledge are great coaches, and they know how to develop athletes.

Have you guys seen Caine Wilkes (@thedragonwilkes), dude looks like he plays xbox and eats cheese puffs all day. He hit a 507lb Clean and Jerk in Nationals.

To sum up, I do think trainers have extra pressure to stay in shape. Good looking dude, in shape people automatically assume he knows what he is doing which amounts to extra clients.

Coaches, don't have to worry about that, word of mouth will build his/her client base. Look at coaches across all sports, most are "out of shape".
 
No, No...

Just saying aesthetics =/= performance.

I'm with marmourjr though. Lot's of boxes are hiring specialist.

They can guide you through the mechanics of certain things even though they haven't mastered them themselves. Coaches are there to guide you, teach you, notice your mechanics, be unbiased, give you feedback and lead you to success... safely.
 
Wilkes is definitely strong. He needs to keep improving in order to be competitive on the world stage.

Against other Americans, he's dominant for sure :lol: Last competition I watched, I don't think any other American came close.
 
Caneen lie I used to be one of those guys who didn't listen to a another guy who tried to give advice if they didn't look the part. And while I still do in some way believe in the notion that right = results I do take more heed into taking in information even if they don't have the typical bodybuilder look.

It's also a reason I'll never talk down on a crossfitter either. A lot of those folks are in crazy good shape with the strength to back it up.
 
Caneen lie I used to be one of those guys who didn't listen to a another guy who tried to give advice if they didn't look the part. And while I still do in some way believe in the notion that right = results I do take more heed into taking in information even if they don't have the typical bodybuilder look.

It's also a reason I'll never talk down on a crossfitter either. A lot of those folks are in crazy good shape with the strength to back it up.
You don't have to be a world class athlete with 6% body fat to be a good personal trainer/coach, but you should at least practice what you preach. 
 
Not agreeing or disagreeing but this just reminds me of one of my friends who loves to give advice on talking to women, but he aint got no hos :lol: :smh:
 
Caneen lie I used to be one of those guys who didn't listen to a another guy who tried to give advice if they didn't look the part. And while I still do in some way believe in the notion that right = results I do take more heed into taking in information even if they don't have the typical bodybuilder look.


It's also a reason I'll never talk down on a crossfitter either. A lot of those folks are in crazy good shape with the strength to back it up.

You don't have to be a world class athlete with 6% body fat to be a good personal trainer/coach, but you should at least practice what you preach. 

And I'm not saying I don't disagree but looking the part isn't everything. I mean Armold looks like a slob by today's measures but would anybody turn down advice if he gave it to them?
 
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