This is the OFFICIAL Dallas Cowboys "Offseason" Thread

[innocentmanse7en]

What's the story on Bartel? He's been on our PS since last year...he have any real shot at makin the roster? Its prolly a good idea 2 have a backupthat aint older than the other 2 QBs combined

 

[innocentmanse7en]

Damn I cant wait 4 the season 2 start...

What do yall think of Pacman as a reciever? (as Jerry mentioned today) I remember he did it a few times with the Titans, but will they even find space 4 him inthe offense what with TO, Glenn (I hope), Witten, Crayton, Felix Jones (who I know is an RB but I assume they plan 2 use him in a Westbrookian manner), and theyoungins Hurd and Stanback in the mix? (I aint include Miles Austin becaus they barely threw 2 him...) That's a LOT of spreadin the ball around...

 

[jmause3]

Damn when i read the title i thought that he had got allowed back. But is it a sure thing that he is going to have #21? I may be late on that

 

[innocentmanse7en]

Originally Posted by jmause3

Damn when i read the title i thought that he had got allowed back. But is it a sure thing that he is going to have #21? I may be late on that

He's listed as #21 of the OTA roster sheets so that's as much as I can tell ya...sounds pretty official 2 me tho.

Oh, and if anybody cares, they say Terry Glenn is doing fine...he's workin out separately from the team, but he's running routes and his knee'sholdin up...

 

[bigmike23]

Some cowboys news:

IRVING - Dallas Cowboys outside linebacker Greg Ellis will not participate in the last day of organized team activities today because he's upset with his repetitions being reduced in practice, sources said.

Ellis missed the first two days of OTAs this week and doesn't plan on coming back to practice at Valley Ranch unless he gets more repetitions

The Dallas Cowboys did not want Terry Glenn, who played in only one game last season while recovering from a pair of knee surgeries, participating in team workouts last week. Now, according to Glenn, the Cowboys don't want to be on the hook to pay him, either, if the receiver hurts his knee again. Glenn told the Fort Worth Star-Telegram that the Cowboys have asked him to sign a $500,000 injury settlement. Such an agreement would free Dallas of any obligation to pay him if he cannot play this ...

Roy williams missed OTA this week has been working out by himself

and newmen the called out roy for his lack of coverage skills

we better shut all this crap up come season time

 

[N41D]

Greg unhappy again... About reduced reps during OTAs in MAY...

Shut up, Greg.

You're getting hold. You knew last year when the team drafted Anthony Spencer that they'd be invested in him. The team gave you more money and securityto appease your insecurities last offseason. Now you're whining again because they're giving the kids more reps in OTAs than a 12 year veteran...

 

[im like pele]

Greg is such a cry baby. I seriously think he has some kind of disorder.

...or maybe he wants a new contract after that Pro Bowl season. Dude needs to stand up for his rights, but needs to communicate like a man, not a little crybaby

 

[bigmike23]

didnt they just redo his deal for him? he has no reason to be crying he is the only 12 year vet mad cause he is getting little reps in OTAs. *@$ why are ubitching about that

 

[pharelfor3]

Man I cant wait for the season to start.

 

[gunna get it]

Jerry Jones is a Chump for trying to make Terry Glenn sign that injury waiver crap.
Thats why I hate when Fans act all ignorant and say +@*% like "U signed a contract" when a player wants to hold out for more money when they haveoutperformed their current contract.


I hope Glenn's smart enough NOT to sign that piece of +@*% agreement.
Make them either pay u or release u and pay u whats guaranteed.

 

[jmause3]

I also think its messed up that they are trying to make Terry sign that waiver. He was our best wideout for a couple years there

 

[trelvis tha thrilla]

Terry Glenn is garbage. I wish the boys had better receivers so they could cut him.

 

[N41D]

Terry Glenn is garbage.
No he's not... If that knee is right, he'll be a very nice addition to the offense...

Jerry Jones is a Chump for trying to make Terry Glenn sign that injury waiver crap.
Thats why I hate when Fans act all ignorant and say +@*% like "U signed a contract" when a player wants to hold out for more money when they have outperformed their current contract.


I hope Glenn's smart enough NOT to sign that piece of +@*% agreement.
Make them either pay u or release u and pay u whats guaranteed.
I don't like that they're keeping him off the field against his own desires, despite the fact he's been cleared... If he's readyto go, let him play.

Don't think you can say Jerry Jones is a chump for it though... Because every NFL owner would do the same exact thing. If it's at their disposal, whyshouldn't they ask? It's on the player if they're willing to take it or not.

 

[gunna get it]

if they are that worried and think Terry can't play, do like the VIkes did Erasmus James, wait til he is 100% and cleared then release him early so he cango out and find a good fit before its too late.

The Vikes are a !$$% organization but at least they were above board with James

PS Im soo mad Urlacher has decided to report to camp

shoulda played his hand.

 

[nyrapisback]

Terry Glenn got 5 mill last year for doing absoloutely nothing.

I don't blame Jerry Jones. We didnt put him on IR last year because we believed he'd have an impact. His knee is due to give out at anytime because herefused the surgery that would require a year to recover and instead had his knee scoped out and now its bone to bone. We paid him for no reason last year.Jerry doesn't wanna do it again

 

[mrmundaynite]

I don't know why people are whining about Terry getting about 500k less than he would normally if he signs this waiver. Dude made 4 million dollars lastyear and played in 1 game! Its not like he's some promising, young receiver. He's a 13th year veteran who is more than likely, VERY financially set.Four million is enough for most people to live on for the rest of their lives and dude made that last year while doing essentially nothing. Five hundredthousand is nothing to him so don't make him out to be a victim here, because he really isn't. I agree he shouldn't sign that waiver because nosmart man should but still, his incentives will earn him almost 1.5 million this year even if he does sign the waiver so it really isn't that big of adeal. It saves the Cowboys cap room and that's that.

 

[N41D]

if they are that worried and think Terry can't play, do like the VIkes did Erasmus James, wait til he is 100% and cleared then release him early so he can go out and find a good fit before its too late.

The Vikes are a !$$% organization but at least they were above board with James
I agree with you here... If you're not confident in his knee and how it will handle the grind of day to day activities during OTAs, you'vegotta cut ties and let him find a better fit... For all Terry's problems in the past, he's been a model citizen for the most part here in Dallas, and Ithink the Cowboys at least owe him the same respect...

Do I fault Jerry for asking Terry to sign a waiver to reduce his settlement if another injury occurs? No. It kind of a BS move, but it's one of many toolshe's got at his disposal, and if there's a chance the player agrees, why not at least ask? It's Terry's problem if he's willing to acceptit, but absolutely nobody faults him for saying no. I doubt Jerry does, either.

But I don't like that they're keeping him off the field, despite his wishes to participate and his clearance from the medical staff... You've gotto trust the guys you have working for you. It should be encouraging to you that he's licking at his chops to get back on the field and participating inthe OTAs... At least he's not Greg Ellis pissing and moaning about his job security. Terry wants to get out there and earn his job back. Let him do so.

I don't know why people are whining about Terry getting about 500k less than he would normally if he signs this waiver. Dude made 4 million dollars last year and played in 1 game! Its not like he's some promising, young receiver. He's a 13th year veteran who is more than likely, VERY financially set. Four million is enough for most people to live on for the rest of their lives and dude made that last year while doing essentially nothing. Five hundred thousand is nothing to him so don't make him out to be a victim here, because he really isn't. I agree he shouldn't sign that waiver because no smart man should but still, his incentives will earn him almost 1.5 million this year even if he does sign the waiver so it really isn't that big of a deal. It saves the Cowboys cap room and that's that.
Put yourself in that situation. If your boss asked you to sign away $500,000 despite the fact he offered it to you in contract negotiations,you'd tell him to piss off. If you're trying to tell me you'd walk away from 500K in any situation without getting something else inreturn, you're a liar. Point blank...

Like I said, I don't blame Jerry for asking. But at the same time, you can't expect Terry to sign away half a million bucks just because he made $4million last year despite his injury...

 

[marleysprotege]

pacman is wearing #21 ... terry glenn will not have an impact this year AT ALL ... is it football season yet?

 

[mrmundaynite]

Put yourself in that situation. If your boss asked you to sign away $500,000 despite the fact he offered it to you in contract negotiations, you'd tell him to piss off. If you're trying to tell me you'd walk away from 500K in any situation without getting something else in return, you're a liar. Point blank...

Like I said, I don't blame Jerry for asking. But at the same time, you can't expect Terry to sign away half a million bucks just because he made $4 million last year despite his injury...
Oh I wholeheartedly agree. But the only thing I disagree with is Gunna calling Jerry a "chump" for trying to get Glenn to sign thatcontract. Not calling you out or anything Gunna, but its at least worth a shot to try and get Glenn to sign it seeing as how Jerry essentially gave him 4million last year to do nothing. I don't blame Terry Glenn AT ALL if he refuses to sign the waiver and if you put me in that situation, I'd take themoney and run. But on the flip side, if you look at it from Jerry's point of view, why pay a player a needless (almost) 2 million when you can spend thatmoney elsewhere and improve your team? You have to look at the situation from both sides.

 

[gunna get it]

I disagree on Glenn getting money for nothing last yr, Glenn got hurt playin FOR Jerry the yr previous and played hurt both yrs when he had 1000 yards. thatswhy its l a chump move in my eyes, its just how I feel about any Billionaire owner who has been crying broke and in a rush to get a veteran player who playedthru knee injuries, to sign an agreement for lil more than the League minimum.
The Cowboys organization wasnt upset when he turned down surgery, they agreed with it, they wanted to have him for a stretch run in the playoffs instead ofhaving him on IR for the entire season. He coulda done like marvin harrison and shut it down them two yrs but he didnt.
Im not a fan of NFL owners AT ALL

U aint gotta worry bout callin me out, I dont take it personal, I type about sports the same way I would talk about it with my homies at my crib watchin agame, u disagree with me its aight I can take it lol lemme know,

more informed intelligent opinions = better threads

 

[mrmundaynite]

But the main reason, I think (actually, I hope) that Jerry is trying to get Glenn to sign this waiver is to save cap room for the TEAM. I don't think thishas much to do with Jerry trying to scrounge every penny he can find because, like you said, he's a billionaire and 2 mill is nothing to him. The Boys are29th in the league in terms of money they have towards the cap (http://www.askthecommish.com/salarycap/numbers.asp). LOTS of contracts are going to have to berestructured at some point and Glenn signing this waiver would definitely help that. I know most owners care more about the money than the team, but out of allthe owners in the league, I think Jerry cares more about the team than anyone (which isn't saying much because we all know he still cares about money A LOTmore). And I'm not a fan of owners either, I honestly believe that every single owner in the league cares more about money than their team but that'sjust my opinion. For the most part, teams are just a machine to make money for them and players are just parts. And on the topic of loyalty, I think that teamsshould be loyal to players but there has to be a line somewhere. Glenn is at the end of his career, he doesn't have much money making potential left andhe's probably got 3 years left at most. Its not like he's some rookie who has his WHOLE career in front of him and who hasn't made a dime yet inthe league. If that was the case, I would think its a punk move, but in this case, I kinda support Jerry.

And I just put the thing about calling you out as a disclaimer. I didn't want a football almanac thrown at me

 

[bigmike23]

dude on NFL network ADAM whatever his last name is said the cowboys have talked about looking into and going after Jason taylor.

 

[gunna get it]

O MY GOD, Ware & Taylor = LT & Banks

Yea I said it ....

 

[the wizard]

Originally Posted by GUNNA GET IT

O MY GOD, Ware & Taylor = LT & Banks

Yea I said it ....

Why you say that though?? Both of them are pass rush specialists.Banks ain't really get after the QB like that. They would be a better version of Kevin Greene/Greg Lloyd

 

[gunna get it]

word Greene/Lloyd fit better

I was just throwin a lil NT Hyperbole onto the situation.
U already know I think LT is the best football player to ever play the game (no disrespect to my 2nd & 3rd respectively jerry Rice & jim Brown)