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You see how much money this movie is making? Why would you stop making movies that make crazy money?
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Originally Posted by eNPHAN
that's BSOriginally Posted by AntonLaVey
We live in a white dominated society, from an economical stand-point it wouldn't make sense to tell these stories without a European protagonist. Especially, in these big budget blockbuster type movies...you go with a proven thing revenue wise. The only black actor that can get away with this is Will Smith.
the "blockbuster" movies are blockbusters off of promotion and marketing alone...
granted, there are a couple of bombs every year, but those aren't bombs because they don't have a white protagonist...
this movie would have sold hundreds of millions it's first weekend whether dude was white, black, asian, purple or didn't even exist.
that "its what sells" excuse is so lame....
whatever they put out is going to sell....
just like rap these days....hot hook, hot beat, marketing, promotion......and you chose to rhyme like a preschooler...
you could literally hum your verses and it's gonna sell...
why are you coming with that wack @***, then?
You call my statement erroneous and provide a quote supporting it?Originally Posted by VeryAnalytical85
Originally Posted by eNPHAN
that's BSOriginally Posted by AntonLaVey
We live in a white dominated society, from an economical stand-point it wouldn't make sense to tell these stories without a European protagonist. Especially, in these big budget blockbuster type movies...you go with a proven thing revenue wise. The only black actor that can get away with this is Will Smith.
the "blockbuster" movies are blockbusters off of promotion and marketing alone...
granted, there are a couple of bombs every year, but those aren't bombs because they don't have a white protagonist...
this movie would have sold hundreds of millions it's first weekend whether dude was white, black, asian, purple or didn't even exist.
that "its what sells" excuse is so lame....
whatever they put out is going to sell....
just like rap these days....hot hook, hot beat, marketing, promotion......and you chose to rhyme like a preschooler...
you could literally hum your verses and it's gonna sell...
why are you coming with that wack @***, then?
Nope, it wouldn't be successful Jackie Chan, Jet Li, and John Cho would not be making nearly as much. As erroneous as Anton's statement was, Chris Rock (in his Never Scared comedy segment) said it best... if it's all white then it's all right.....
Originally Posted by Nyota de la star
That District 9 thing w/ the Nigerians was soo offensive. It was ridiculous. I thinking like "really?"
But yea, everything HueyP stated is on point.
Originally Posted by HarlemKickDiva
Interesting you mention this because my godmother was talking about the same topic
How yea the movie makes for great entertainment but the undertones are super evident and no1 sees them
White colonialism is why this country so so eff'ed up now... but I've never heard of anyone owning up 2 it
Originally Posted by kimahrioftheronsotribe
Ms. Newitz seems so full of self-loathing that she can't enjoy a story told by white people because it's ingrained with the natural-born racism and privilage that only white people have (not her, though, she insists).
But while Avatar is not a deep film by any means, it goes beyond depicting the mere discrimination of another skin color and extends into the human abuse of another species. While the actors protraying the humans didn't need to be white, they certainly needed to be humans, because it's a story about us as much as them. Half the story of Avatar is the internal and external conflicts of a human who has taken the guise of the native species and lives amongst them.
As shallow as it seems, Jake Sully is able to rally the Na'vi because he learns their way of life and eventually earns their trust. He doesn't do this through conquest or smacking them with condescending earth-based morals, but through accomplishments that the Na'vi respect. He chooses to live with and fight for these aliens, because he can no longer justify the destructive actions of his own kind.
Because James Cameron is white, and the human actors are (mostly) white, Newitz sees it only as racial subtext - and that very notion is itself founded in white guilt. Newitz fails to grasp the motivations of the humans, because Avatar is not at all a "basic colonizing story." The humans had arrived on Pandora not as conquistadors but as prospectors for resources, because they've squandered the resources of Earth.
The plot resembles Dances with Wolves, but it is not about any sort of white "racial experience" but of diplomacy, the rules of engagement, and how dimishing resources drives our species to exploit, pillage and ruin another, man and beast alike.
And anyway, Avatar is more about 3D eye candy and entering a new universe and watching *%*% get blow'd up. The most cliché aspects of the Na'vi are their vaguely Oriental/Native American/jungly stereotypes, but that I think comes more from Cameron's efforts to make the humanoid Na'vi be "foreign" yet familiar. His biggest offense was not pushing the cultural gap further than District 9 had, although he wrote this movie long before it.
Ms. Newitz writes as though she were evolved past this white man's science-fiction plot line, but she neglects the real message of this movie to rest upon her own white guilt. If she wants whites like herself to stop rehashing these stories and "think about race in a new way", then she should open up her word processor and start writing a screenplay. Please, Ms. Newitz - come down off your high horse and enlighten us.
What the **@% are you posting for thenOriginally Posted by NEIGHB0RH00D
I dont even know what you guys are talking about now.
are yall talking about Avatar? or District 9?
Either way, Avatar was amazing. IDC if the story line was used before. Cameron added some twist and i enjoyed it more then any movie with the same story line.
ie. The Last Samurai
Great contribution champ.Originally Posted by Nktran001
Didn't read any of that, but Avatar was the best movie I've seen in my life.
Originally Posted by Nash
What the @%!$ are you posting for thenOriginally Posted by NEIGHB0RH00D
I dont even know what you guys are talking about now.
are yall talking about Avatar? or District 9?
Either way, Avatar was amazing. IDC if the story line was used before. Cameron added some twist and i enjoyed it more then any movie with the same story line.
ie. The Last Samurai