Which is more harmful

[antonlavey]

Originally Posted by Joseph Camel Jr

Originally Posted by AntonLaVey

How do we compare quantified amounts of both? What is the weed equivalent of a shot of vodka?

It doesn't even matter. Quantities are irrelevant. Drinking more than 1 or 2 (for males) drinks in an hour is already more harmful than smoking marijuana.

Once we take into consideration the amount of alcohol normally consumed to reach intoxication, the high toxicity of alcohol, the possible risks of overdose, the long-term affects of alcohol abuse (which include elevated risks for mouth, throat, stomach, bladder, liver, and colon cancers, among others), it's not even a discussion.

For any realistic scenario, barring the 1-drink-a-day for lowering BP drinkers, alcohol consumption is far more harmful and carries with it many more risks.

Again, this thread is useless without literature......


And if you were to do some real research on this you WOULD need to keep "quantities" in mind. It's like testing and comparing the effects of 2drugs on parkinson's disease by giving arbitrary doses. That's lousy research.

 

[antonlavey]

Originally Posted by GTEK

Originally Posted by AntonLaVey

Originally Posted by GTEK

Alcohol is 1,000 times worser than WEED.
Point Blank.

We got doctors on NT now? Where did you get your MD/PhD.....let's see some literature?

SMH.

Take ya *** to high school.

So I need to go back to "high school" cause I keep asking people in here to provide literature and do some research on the topic......okguy.

 

[baalnood]

Alcohol can destroy your liver. Trees can messed up your head.

 

[gtek]

Originally Posted by AntonLaVey

Originally Posted by GTEK

Originally Posted by AntonLaVey

Originally Posted by GTEK

Alcohol is 1,000 times worser than WEED.
Point Blank.

We got doctors on NT now? Where did you get your MD/PhD.....let's see some literature?

SMH.

Take ya *** to high school.

So I need to go back to "high school" cause I keep asking people in here to provide literature and do some research on the topic......ok guy.

 

[addictedtofreshkicks]

Originally Posted by Crank Lucas

Originally Posted by AddictedToFreshKicks

Obviously smoking bud is more harmful than having a beer once in a while.

where do you kids think of this stuff
based off the fact that we have medical marijuana "CLINICS" I think its pretty obvious what the answer is

to be honest alcohol is more dangerous than LSD, shrooms or MDMA

Smoking marijuana regularly cannot be less harmful than having a beer once in a while.

It depends on the amounts of each thing which the OP was not clear about.

 

[antonlavey]

^^^^^GIF doesn't work for me......you phale.



I haven't given an opinion on this topic I'm just asking people to look at both from an unbiased and objective perspective. Alcohol is legal and themost abused drug on the planet. Is it conceivable that if marijuana were legal and was used as much as alcohol we may notice it is more harmful than wethought, physically and socially.


Again we have to actually do some lab tests and research to truly know which is more harmful....all things need to be equal.

 

[swoboydehteezy]

Originally Posted by AntonLaVey

Originally Posted by GTEK

Alcohol is 1,000 times worser than WEED.
Point Blank.

We got doctors on NT now? Where did you get your MD/PhD.....let's see some literature?

 

[kiuyt856]

Myth: Marijuana's Harms Have Been Proved Scientifically. In the 1960s and 1970s, many people believed that marijuana was harmless. Today we know thatmarijuana is much more dangerous than previously believed.

Fact: In 1972, after reviewing the scientific evidence, the National Commission on Marihuana and Drug Abuse concluded that while marijuana was not entirelysafe, its dangers had been grossly overstated. Since then, researchers have conducted thousands of studies of humans, animals, and cell cultures. None revealany findings dramatically different from those described by the National Commission in 1972. In 1995, based on thirty years of scientific researcheditors of the British medical journal Lancet concluded that "the smoking of cannabis, even long term, is not harmful to health."

United States. National Commission on Marihuana and Drug Abuse. Marihuana: A signal of misunderstanding. Shafer Commission Report. Washington, D.C.: U.S.Government Printing Office, 1972.

"Deglamorising Cannabis." Editorial. The Lancet 356:11(1995): 1241.

Other myths and facts can be found here

If you let anything take over your life, fast food, alcohol, weed, then you'll have negative consequences. Yea an occasional beer is fine, and so is anoccasional smoke (marijuana).

But over-indulging on alcohol will cause more problems than over-indulging on marijuana.

 

[antonlavey]

Originally Posted by kiuyt856


Myth: Marijuana's Harms Have Been Proved Scientifically. In the 1960s and 1970s, many people believed that marijuana was harmless. Today we know that marijuana is much more dangerous than previously believed.

Fact: In 1972, after reviewing the scientific evidence, the National Commission on Marihuana and Drug Abuse concluded that while marijuana was not entirely safe, its dangers had been grossly overstated. Since then, researchers have conducted thousands of studies of humans, animals, and cell cultures. None reveal any findings dramatically different from those described by the National Commission in 1972. In 1995, based on thirty years of scientific research editors of the British medical journal Lancet concluded that "the smoking of cannabis, even long term, is not harmful to health."

United States. National Commission on Marihuana and Drug Abuse. Marihuana: A signal of misunderstanding. Shafer Commission Report. Washington, D.C.: U.S. Government Printing Office, 1972.

"Deglamorising Cannabis." Editorial. The Lancet 356:11(1995): 1241.

Other myths and facts can be found here

If you let anything take over your life, fast food, alcohol, weed, then you'll have negative consequences. Yea an occasional beer is fine, and so is an occasional smoke (marijuana).

But over-indulging on alcohol will cause more problems than over-indulging on marijuana.

Someone post the clap gif. I agree with everything you said except the BOLD......that's an opinion not FACT. Let's see some REAL researchcomparing equal abuse of both.

 

[icyyyesr two3]

Originally Posted by kiuyt856


Myth: Marijuana's Harms Have Been Proved Scientifically. In the 1960s and 1970s, many people believed that marijuana was harmless. Today we know that marijuana is much more dangerous than previously believed.

Fact: In 1972, after reviewing the scientific evidence, the National Commission on Marihuana and Drug Abuse concluded that while marijuana was not entirely safe, its dangers had been grossly overstated. Since then, researchers have conducted thousands of studies of humans, animals, and cell cultures. None reveal any findings dramatically different from those described by the National Commission in 1972. In 1995, based on thirty years of scientific research editors of the British medical journal Lancet concluded that "the smoking of cannabis, even long term, is not harmful to health."

United States. National Commission on Marihuana and Drug Abuse. Marihuana: A signal of misunderstanding. Shafer Commission Report. Washington, D.C.: U.S. Government Printing Office, 1972.

"Deglamorising Cannabis." Editorial. The Lancet 356:11(1995): 1241.

Other myths and facts can be found here

If you let anything take over your life, fast food, alcohol, weed, then you'll have negative consequences. Yea an occasional beer is fine, and so is an occasional smoke (marijuana).

But over-indulging on alcohol will cause more problems than over-indulging on marijuana.

 

[rawk on]

Originally Posted by Baalnood

Alcohol can destroy your liver. Trees can messed up your head.

There isn't enough proof that marijuana can cause harm to the brain, they even addressed that in the documentary Super High Me.

But over-indulging on alcohol will cause more problems than over-indulging on marijuana.
Truth.

 

[gtek]

Originally Posted by AntonLaVey

^^^^^GIF doesn't work for me......you phale.



I haven't given an opinion on this topic I'm just asking people to look at both from an unbiased and objective perspective. Alcohol is legal and the most abused drug on the planet. Is it conceivable that if marijuana were legal and was used as much as alcohol we may notice it is more harmful than we thought, physically and socially.


Again we have to actually do some lab tests and research to truly know which is more harmful....all things need to be equal.

Sorry man Im to lazy for this "Proof for NT" thing tonight.

 

[infamousod]

Originally Posted by Rawk On

Originally Posted by Baalnood

Alcohol can destroy your liver. Trees can messed up your head.

There isn't enough proof that marijuana can cause harm to the brain, they even addressed that in the documentary Super High Me.

But over-indulging on alcohol will cause more problems than over-indulging on marijuana.

Truth.




eating glass is not as bad as drinking cyanide but it doesn't mean it's a good idea. don't rationalize.

 

[antonlavey]

Originally Posted by Rawk On

Originally Posted by Baalnood

Alcohol can destroy your liver. Trees can messed up your head.

There isn't enough proof that marijuana can cause harm to the brain, they even addressed that in the documentary Super High Me.

Because Super High Me is a credible source.

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[birdsiview]

Originally Posted by AntonLaVey

Originally Posted by GTEK

Originally Posted by AntonLaVey

Originally Posted by GTEK

Alcohol is 1,000 times worser than WEED.
Point Blank.

We got doctors on NT now? Where did you get your MD/PhD.....let's see some literature?

SMH.

Take ya *** to high school.

So I need to go back to "high school" cause I keep asking people in here to provide literature and do some research on the topic......ok guy.

Alcohol higher in both dependence and physical harm.

 

[lilxshaggy]

Originally Posted by Joseph Camel Jr


Alcohol is far more harmful to your body than marijuana is. Not even close.

 

[antonlavey]

@that graph.....it looks like something I did in an excelworkshop class in middle school. Do you have a source? I'm suppose to agree with you cause you pulled a random graph out your ***? How were these effectstested? How did they come up with those figures? What do those numbers even mean?

 

[STooK]

i can safely drive when high but when i'm drunk i know it's a big hell no.

 

[birdsiview]

Originally Posted by AntonLaVey

@that graph.....it looks like something I did in an excel workshop class in middle school. Do you have a source? I'm suppose to agree with you cause you pulled a random graph out your ***? How were these effects tested? How did they come up with those figures? What do those numbers even mean?

The multiple rolling smilies definitely get your point across! Do you want some holographic graph that gives every single piece of information on eachsubstance? It's a simple graph that takes in account what it is commonly accepted in the medical world when it comes to drugs.

http://copland.udel.edu/~...s%20and%20Addiction.html

I don't know why you need a chart or a study anyway, use some common sense. One gives you a headache, makes you puke, can make you blackout and isresponsible for thousands of deaths a year while the other cures headaches, stomach illnesses and hasn't resulted in a single death EVER. 1+1=2?

 

[antonlavey]

Originally Posted by BirdsIView

Originally Posted by AntonLaVey

@that graph.....it looks like something I did in an excel workshop class in middle school. Do you have a source? I'm suppose to agree with you cause you pulled a random graph out your ***? How were these effects tested? How did they come up with those figures? What do those numbers even mean?

The multiple rolling smilies definitely get your point across! Do you want some holographic graph that gives every single piece of information on each substance? It's a simple graph that takes in account what it is commonly accepted in the medical world when it comes to drugs.

http://copland.udel.edu/~...s%20and%20Addiction.html

yes!!!!!

That graph is still sketchy.....how exactly did they quantify physical harm? How was this tested? What did they come up with those numbers? I'm asking allthe right questions, if you presented this graph as part of a research dissertation, the committee would ask you the same questions.

 

[birdsiview]

Originally Posted by AntonLaVey

Originally Posted by BirdsIView

Originally Posted by AntonLaVey

@that graph.....it looks like something I did in an excel workshop class in middle school. Do you have a source? I'm suppose to agree with you cause you pulled a random graph out your ***? How were these effects tested? How did they come up with those figures? What do those numbers even mean?

The multiple rolling smilies definitely get your point across! Do you want some holographic graph that gives every single piece of information on each substance? It's a simple graph that takes in account what it is commonly accepted in the medical world when it comes to drugs.

http://copland.udel.edu/~...s%20and%20Addiction.html

yes!!!!!

That graph is still sketchy.....how exactly did they quantify physical harm? How was this tested? What did they come up with those numbers? I'm asking all the right questions, if you presented this graph as part of a research dissertation, the committee would ask you the same questions.

Thing is this isn't a research dissertation, this is NikeTalk. Go back and read what I edited into my last post. None of us should be wastingour time trying to prove to you something that could easily be reasoned out on your own. If you still aren't satisfied go out and do you're ownpersonal little study. Smoke as much marijuana as you deem necessary and then a few days later drink as much alcohol as you please. Take some notes, writeyourself a nice research paper and think about which one made you feel like crap and which one didn't.

 

[gtek]

Originally Posted by BirdsIView

Originally Posted by AntonLaVey

Originally Posted by BirdsIView

Originally Posted by AntonLaVey

@that graph.....it looks like something I did in an excel workshop class in middle school. Do you have a source? I'm suppose to agree with you cause you pulled a random graph out your ***? How were these effects tested? How did they come up with those figures? What do those numbers even mean?

The multiple rolling smilies definitely get your point across! Do you want some holographic graph that gives every single piece of information on each substance? It's a simple graph that takes in account what it is commonly accepted in the medical world when it comes to drugs.

http://copland.udel.edu/~...s%20and%20Addiction.html

yes!!!!!

That graph is still sketchy.....how exactly did they quantify physical harm? How was this tested? What did they come up with those numbers? I'm asking all the right questions, if you presented this graph as part of a research dissertation, the committee would ask you the same questions.

Thing is this isn't a research dissertation, this is NikeTalk. Go back and read what I edited into my last post. None of us should be wasting our time trying to prove to you something that could easily be reasoned out on your own. If you still aren't satisfied go out and do you're own personal little study. Smoke as much marijuana as you deem necessary and then a few days later drink as much alcohol as you please. Take some notes, write yourself a nice research paper and think about which one made you feel like crap and which one didn't.

Thank you. People fail to realize this is an FORUM not Online Classes.

 

[kiuyt856]

Originally Posted by AntonLaVey

kiuyt856 wrote:

Someone post the clap gif. I agree with everything you said except the BOLD......that's an opinion not FACT. Let's see some REAL research comparing equal abuse of both.



Here are some points from Francis L. Young"s, Former Chief Administrative Law Judge of the DEA, ruling on Medical Marijuana. Sorry for all thetext.

UNITED STATES DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE
Drug Enforcement Administration
In The Matter Of
MARIJUANA RESCHEDULING PETITION
Docket No. 86-22
OPINION AND RECOMMENDED RULING, FINDINGS OF
FACT, CONCLUSIONS OF LAW AND DECISION OF
ADMINISTRATIVE LAW JUDGE
FRANCIS L. YOUNG, Administrative Law Judge
DATED: SEPTEMBER 6, 1988

4. Nearly all medicines have toxic, potentially lethal
effects. But marijuana is not such a substance. There is no record in
the extensive medical literature describing a proven, documented
cannabis-induced fatality.
5. This is a remarkable statement. First, the record on
marijuana encompasses 5,000 years of human experience. Second, marijuana
is now used daily by enormous numbers of people throughout the world.
Estimates suggest that from twenty million to fifty million Americans
routinely, albeit illegally, smoke marijuana without the benefit of
direct medical supervision. Yet, despite this long history of use and
the extraordinarily high numbers of social smokers, there are simply no
credible medical reports to suggest that consuming marijuana has caused a
single death.

6. By contrast aspirin, a commonly used, over-the-counter
medicine, causes hundreds of deaths each year.

8. At present it is estimated that marijuana's LD-50 is around
1:20,000 or 1:40,000. In layman terms this means that in order to induce
death a marijuana smoker would have to consume 20,000 to 40,000 times as
much marijuana as is contained in one marijuana cigarette. NIDA-supplied
marijuana cigarettes weigh approximately .9 grams. A smoker would
theoretically have to consume nearly 1,500 pounds of marijuana within
about fifteen minutes to induce a lethal response.

9. In practical terms, marijuana cannot induce a lethal
response as a result of drug-related toxicity.

15. In strict medical terms marijuana is far safer than many
foods we commonly consume. For example, eating ten raw potatoes can
result in a toxic response. By comparison, it is physically impossible
to eat enough marijuana to induce death.

16. Marijuana, in its natural form, is one of the safest
therapeutically active substances known to man. By any measure of rational analysis
marijuana can be safely used within a supervised routine of medical care.

I find it hard to believe that marijuana is worse than Alcohol. And in my opinion, fast food is worse for you than marijuana.

 

[joseph camel jr]

Originally Posted by AntonLaVey

Originally Posted by Joseph Camel Jr

Originally Posted by AntonLaVey

How do we compare quantified amounts of both? What is the weed equivalent of a shot of vodka?

It doesn't even matter. Quantities are irrelevant. Drinking more than 1 or 2 (for males) drinks in an hour is already more harmful than smoking marijuana.

Once we take into consideration the amount of alcohol normally consumed to reach intoxication, the high toxicity of alcohol, the possible risks of overdose, the long-term affects of alcohol abuse (which include elevated risks for mouth, throat, stomach, bladder, liver, and colon cancers, among others), it's not even a discussion.

For any realistic scenario, barring the 1-drink-a-day for lowering BP drinkers, alcohol consumption is far more harmful and carries with it many more risks.

Again, this thread is useless without literature......


And if you were to do some real research on this you WOULD need to keep "quantities" in mind. It's like testing and comparing the effects of 2 drugs on parkinson's disease by giving arbitrary doses. That's lousy research.

?

Did you read what I wrote? Marijuana use has virtually zero negative side effects. Alcohol has plenty.

In a normal human being, unless alcohol is consumed in quantities low enough for the health benefits to outweigh the risks (this means 1 drink a day tops forwomen, 2 for men), its consumption is more harmful than ANY realistic amount of marijuana consumption.

I have seen plenty of "real research," from the likes of Harvard , UCLA, etc. This is where my information is coming from not from idiotic "yomy friend smoked himself ******ed" anecdotes.


Now if you think me or anyone else here is gonna take the time to dig it up you're crazy. This is NT not bio class.

 

[deveroesshopper]

LOUD PAK>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Alcohol