OFFICIAL GAME OF THRONES THREAD | HOUSE OF THE DRAGON Premieres 8.21.22 | OFFICIAL TRAILER REVEALED

[parada45]

And then those Iron Island idiots wonder why they're stuck on those ****** rocks with a crown made of driftwood.

Joint looked like a pigeons nest, I think I have the same exact crown chillin under my AC right now.

Euron = Stannis Lite

Ar first I thought it was a jesus crown of thornes crown but it's just some branch.

Hope those guys aren't building the ships

 

[lawdog1]

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(I still maintain a faint hope that Summer just got badly wounded and was able to crawl off somewhere and is now healing)

 

[parada45]

Clueless Gamer: "Overwatch" With Peter Dinklage & Lena Headey - CONAN on TBS

 

[IATT]

I just hope summer (and hodor) don't come back as wights later on..

the feels would be too much to have to watch the snow gawd and/or ghost have to do work vs them

 

[IATT]

http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-e...stead-wright-is-annoyed-at-bran-a7044411.html

 

[dragicon]

My mans said 1000 ships

The audacity

He said it to something like 15 dudes also. I'd take them a couple years just to make one

 

[IATT]

yall been watching too much Vikings.. the drowned gawd will work things out

 

[Vincent Van Goat]

Just so it's clear, I understood the origins of hodor being that bran had a random warg moment as a kid and inflicted hodor. Bran didn't necessarily see hodors fate when they were children but he had a moment and it touched hodor.

Is this correct?

 

[Barbados Slim]

Just so it's clear, I understood the origins of hodor being that bran had a random warg moment as a kid and inflicted hodor. Bran didn't necessarily see hodors fate when they were children but he had a moment and it touched hodor.

Is this correct?

Bran wasn't physically there when Hodor had that seizure that caused the infliction that happened before he was born. He was warged into the weirwood and looking into the past. At the same time he warged into present day Hodor to help escape the White Walkers. I think that caused Hodor to have the siezure while hearing Meera's voice in present time...

 

[shogun]

yall been watching too much Vikings.. the drowned gawd will work things out

They can build rafts from all the dead people who didn't survive those drowning rituals.

 

[Vincent Van Goat]

Bran wasn't physically there when Hodor had that seizure that caused the infliction that happened before he was born. He was warged into the weirwood and looking into the past. At the same time he warged into present day Hodor to help escape the White Walkers. I think that caused Hodor to have the siezure while hearing Meera's voice in present time...

Wait a minute I thought hodor as a kid talked normally though

 

[Barbados Slim]

 Originally Posted by WorldBreaker  

Bran wasn't physically there when Hodor had that seizure that caused the infliction that happened before he was born. He was warged into the weirwood and looking into the past. At the same time he warged into present day Hodor to help escape the White Walkers. I think that caused Hodor to have the siezure while hearing Meera's voice in present time...

Wait a minute I thought hodor as a kid talked normally though

He did....what's the problem

Edit: sorry I'm missing a period in there so it's hard to read. The seizure happened before Bran was born

 

[aepps20]

The Iron Born are scumbags anyway which is probably why they don't have anything to show for it.

 

[Vincent Van Goat]

He did....what's the problem

My fault I think we're just not understanding each other

My thinking is that hodor spoke normal up until that seizure. I thought bran was there as a child and had a random warg moment where he saw into the future and saw what hodors fate would be. Except my thinking was that as a child bran didn't exactly know what was happening or understand that hodor would die like that

But now I'm just kind of confused about what happened In the past compared to the present

Sorry if I'm not making sense

 

[parada45]

With GOT logic it wouldn't surprise me if they make 1,000 ships by the next episode

 

[IATT]

 

yall been watching too much Vikings.. the drowned gawd will work things out

They can build rafts from all the dead people who didn't survive those drowning rituals.

soooo ummmmm at what time during that ceremony do they decide to help the person and give CPR?

 

[Barbados Slim]

 
soooo ummmmm at what time during that ceremony do they decide to help the person and give CPR?

They don't....you just die 

 

My fault I think we're just not understanding each other

My thinking is that hodor spoke normal up until that seizure. I thought bran was there as a child and had a random warg moment where he saw into the future and saw what hodors fate would be. Except my thinking was that as a child bran didn't exactly know what was happening or understand that hodor would die like that

But now I'm just kind of confused about what happened In the past compared to the present

Sorry if I'm not making sense

Its all good. Hodor did speak normal before the seizure, but Bran didn't have a random warging experience where he saw into the future. He couldn't see into the past or future until he got to the three eyed raven. He had some visions with Jojen, but I think that was the 3 eyed ravens doing. Also Bran just found out about Hodor being able to speak in episode 2 of this season.

 

[Vincent Van Goat]

Ok I got you. So was hodors seizure and origin of saying hodor influenced by bran from the future?

That's what I'm trying to understand, is bran effecting the past from the future?

 

[jaypesoz]

Ok I got you. So was hodors seizure and origin of saying hodor influenced by bran from the future?

That's what I'm trying to understand, is bran effecting the past from the future?

Yes, and yes. It's a closed loop though. What happens, will always happen. There's no changing anything or alternate timelines like Terminator or X-Men movies.

 

[Barbados Slim]

Sort of. Meera was yelling hold the door and past Hodor heard her so there's some connection there between past and present, however I personally think that won't happen again. I think Hodor was only able to hear Meera because Bran warged into the past and warged into present day hodor at the same time or something. I could be wrong.

It's confusing as hell

 

[hennessy]

It is very confusing I've read a lot about it and still don't think I have it figured it out. I also don't think there's enough information from the show to definitively say what happened with Hodor. We may need to wait for clarification. Reading all of these explanations just has me questioning more and more and becoming confused

 

[Vincent Van Goat]

They touched on hordors origins in the talk show after but I wasn't 100% sure what exactly was the case

 

[raider5]

 

[parada45]

It is very confusing I've read a lot about it and still don't think I have it figured it out. I also don't think there's enough information from the show to definitively say what happened with Hodor. We may need to wait for clarification. Reading all of these explanations just has me questioning more and more and becoming confused

Pretty much Bran did make Hordor hold the door

But it happened before and was going to happen anyway

It could never be stopped

 

[hennessy]

Some things I've read that I like...

I just assumed Bran warged into hodor whilst still inside the past vision, the connection Bran sustained with Hodor allowed young Hodor to see Bran's presence. This created a window into the future allowing young Hodor to see future events like a greenseer would and the stress on what was an unseasoned boy caused him brain damage. Like Jojen, seeing into the future caused seisures, perhaps more specifically, seeing your death.

I do like the theory though that Hodor had the same ability as Jojen which was onset by Brans presence - perhaps being a greenseer allowed him to see Bran in the same way Bran could see the 3 eyed raven in visions. Brans presence allowed Wylis to see through him as a conduit to the future, and even though it was instigated by Bran, it very may well have been inevitable later in his life in the same way it happened to Jojen. Becoming brain dead cripples his abilities. This would place the event outside time travel paradoxes and firm in the 'inks dry' line.

THANK YOU! I am the only one of my friends who doesn't believe Bran was warged into Hodor in the end. Bran's mind was trapped in the scene from the past, I believe because Bran was trapped there at that specific moment with Meera screaming that Wyllis was somehow able to connect to his future self and it was he, young Wyllis, that lived out Hodor's final moments. And because he was killed while trapped inside his future self, it scrambled his brain and left him to live out his life only able to repeat the last phrase he ever heard, Hodor."

I had posted this with my other account, so deleted and reposting: I too think that Hodor might have had warging powers to a degree, but I think he might have done this to himself. My interpretation was that in the past, Bran was TRYING to warg into Wilys, as the Raven commanded, and that somehow created a bridge between past and present. Now, Hodor has always been afraid in this kind of situation and was possibly looking for a way to scape in the present. It could be that somehow he found this bridge, this "open door" to his own younger mind and decided to go for it. The problem was that as they are the same person, he ended up pushing Wylis' mind into Hodor's body and viceversa. This would explain why when the warging happens Wilys has the white eyes we associate with being warged into whilst Hodor seems to wake up all of a sudden and looks not only more alert but also as if he was just about to say something the whole time. However, the implications of this are devastating as then Wylis would be in the present, being told to "hold the door" and obliging and dying in the process. So Wilys (as in Hodor's younger self) is dead and Hodor is rewarded with another chance to live, but eternally condemned to only being able to speak the last words he ever heard, and reliving the moment of his death. No wonder why he is always afraid of fights! This would also imply Hodor knows. He knows his own fate, he knows that someday Bran will be born, he knows he'll carry him around, he knows his master will die, and everything will go to hell. More importantly, he knows what he has to do, because he has already done it, and he knows that he can't change the past and he ACCEPTS it, without blaming Bran or anyone else, because he also knows he did it himself. (Also, by creating a time loop it deals with the fact that what the Raven said is true and you can't change the past) I know it might be far fetched, and probably not GRRM's explanation in the long run, but to me, Hodor was one of the most innocent, honourable and loyal characters and this is the only theory that could make him and his sacrifice justice. Thank you for reading if you made it this far!